To answer Commodore why Toyonda and japs in general produce better quality in US: it is their process and discipline. Call it management technique build on top of solid relationship between management and their work force (round eyes like most of us on this forum). Saturn did try to emulate their model and FAILED, because GM management (which is GM company) is made of cowards.

This is not a judgment on race (I may be a racist), it is observation of market reality. US is outsourcing its manufacturing to countries who have more discipline and frankly engineering and management skill. In a reverse of a trend Japs brought back manufacturing to our shore and actually rubbing our management noses in our impotence. Yes it is the same American worker who makes best Honda in Ohio and the same who makes a ****ty quality Jeep in the same state. If I am wrong, please enlighten me.

Ford gains,Toyota slips in Consumer Reports’ annual quality survey

“In the past, Consumer Reports has automatically recommended each new version of Toyota, Lexus and Scion models that have already earned that rating because of Toyota’s strong quality record. That will no longer be the case. Champion said new versions of models from each of the three Toyota brands will now be subject to the same scrutiny as models from other automakers.”

Regardless of the product–vehicle, toaster, whatever–all products should be subjected to the same testing. I don’t see how CR can say they’re providing consumers with the best/accurate information if the rules aren’t the same for all the players. For me, it’s simple: People need to do their own research and not rely on the media to tell them what to buy.

“Suzuki is not owned by GM. Only 3% of it is – that is not anywhere near a full/majority stake therefore Suzuki is not owned by GM. Suzukis quality or recalls or whatever are therefore not part of GM. Daewoo is not sold in America so it isn’t on this list.”

Commodore, the Verona, Reno, Forenza are all rebadged Daewoo that are sold in America. Even if Daewoo is not on the list, one can safely assumes that it has added on Suzuki’s quality issue.

FACK AFF.

Suzuki is not owned by GM. Only 3% of it is – that is not anywhere near a full/majority stake therefore Suzuki is not owned by GM. Suzukis quality or recalls or whatever are therefore not part of GM. Daewoo is not sold in America so it isn’t on this list.

The Equinox is about 70% American parts-wise. However, 100% of the profit made on every Equinox goes to America. 100% of the profit on every Jap vehicle goes to Japan.

EXPLAIN TO ME THIS: Why does Toyonda have better quality than the domestics?? You mentioned that Toyondas car made in America and “over the pond in Japan” are both better quality than domestics. Why is that? Does Toy hire better workers? Why do they build their cars better? Are Japanese people smarter than Americans? What is it?

And you are right 1115, TOYODA does have another 15 years to go before it proves itself again.

TWO DIFFERENT PRODUCTION LINES.

Can’t you keyboard flame warriors at least try a BIT to be informed?

Toyota screams to the front of the class!!!

All you jap worshipers would be actually leaving the sofa to get on here and crow, crow, crow.
None of you can spin this and you can’t be honest about what this means to you.

You know who you are.
And we do too.

atourya, I can describe, with wildly varying descriptions, my past four vehicles along with the past eight my parents have driven, ranging from mid-80’s models to 2006. Good and bad from foreign and domestic makes. Chevrolets, Dodge, Plymouth, Pontiac, Fords, Nissans, Mazda, and Toyota. There may be some notoriously bad vehicles but the driver can be more culpable than the car.

allpar.com has an article lambasting Consumer Reports over credibility. It’s a good read.