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  • Report: 2012 Subaru Impreza lineup may include hybrid

    By Mark Kleis - Posted March 5th 2010

    Earlier reports have suggested that new CAFE standards would force Subaru to fast track its plans for diesel and hybrid options and possibly drop standard all-wheel drive as well for the U.S. market. Now, inside sources are claiming that the first hybrid may in fact end up being an Impreza – not the Subaru Legacy hybrid that has been expected since it was announced in 2005.

    Subaru nears completion of its hybrid system

    According to inside sources speaking with Road & Track, the hybrid Legacy that has been promised since 2005 does not properly host a hybrid powertrain due to unnamed issues with its chassis. Because of this, Subaru’s engineers have instead turned to the Impreza model to house their hybrid powertrain and become the automaker’s first production hybrid.

    Subaru unveiled a concept vehicle at the 2009 LA Auto Show, known as the Hybrid Tourer that was powered by a 2.0-liter turbocharged boxer engine in addition to a two-mode hybrid system and a CVT transmission. The 2.0-liter boxer engine is currently offered in the Japanese market for their Impreza, where the American market enjoys a larger 2.5-liter unit. Although Road & Track suggested Subaru may fit their hybrid system onto the 2.5-liter boxer engine currently used for the U.S. market, we find ourselves leaning towards use of the same 2.0-liter found in both Japan and the Hybrid Tourer concept vehicle.

    The 2.0-liter unit would offer less power, but depending on the configuration, the hybrid system could help to boost power while also taking advantage of the less thirsty 2.0-liter boxer compared to its larger sibling. Since Subaru has already developed that exact system for its concept car, it would also make for an easier conversion to their production model.

    How Subaru arrived where it is today in regards to hybrid technology

    Just over two years ago Subaru shared with the world that it was in the midst of moving forward with diesel and hybrid powertrains for the future, but that diesels would likely be the automaker’s top priority. Subaru attributed this hierarchy on the “voices” of its consumers demanding diesels more loudly than they were demanding hybrids.

    “There are many opinions. But currently, the voices calling for diesels are stronger than the voices for hybrids,” Ikuo Mori, president of Subaru parent company Fuji Heavy Industries, told Automotive News Europe.

    Around the same time Toyota doubled its stake in Subaru’s parent company, Fuji Industries, and Toyota and Subaru were well on their way with sharing hybrid technology. “We agreed with Toyota to utilize the Toyota system in developing our own hybrid technology,” Mori said. “Fundamentally speaking, we can’t just plunk Toyota’s system into our own vehicles. We need to develop something that is adjusted to our products.”

    Unlike other mainstream automakers, Subaru found itself in a unique situation in regards to more stringent fuel economy standards due to the fact that it strictly sells vehicles equipped with all-wheel drive. Although AWD has its many benefits, the drawback is reduced fuel economy – regardless of how efficient the engine may be. With ever-pressing fuel economy standards, Subaru was forced to consider removing boxer engines and AWD off of the “standard” features list, and instead onto the “options” list.

    References
    1. ‘Sporty Subaru Impreza Hybrid…’ view

    28 COMMENTS

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      CiNO146 days ago

      “Subaru unveiled a concept vehicle at the 2009 LA Auto Show, known as the Hybrid Tourer that was powered by a 2.0-liter turbocharged boxer engine in addition to a two-mode hybrid system and a CVT transmission.”

      Turbocharged hybrid system??

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      splunked146 days ago

      CAFE ruins everything

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      Trevor York146 days ago

      uh oh, fastracking=low quality=more toyota type stuff

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      jayjc08146 days ago

      This is extremely bad news. This just makes another car maker increasingly more and more mainstream. Soon, only regular four cylinders will be offered, and once again a brand will loose it’s hallmark quality.

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      FB_747773355146 days ago

      This better not happen… I’m the proud owner of an 04′ 2.0L turbocharged BOXER powered AWD Impreza WRX. If Subaru lost either of those traits it just wouldn’t be a Subaru to me. I’ve owned way to many cars at my age but I have never felt like any of those other cars had such a tight cult following as Subaru owners do. When a person goes to purchase a car normally they have no idea what they are looking for or getting really normally. This is not true with Subaru owners. When you go to purchase a subaru you know your getting alot more than just a car… your getting a high quality, safe, relatively economical car with great service and a family of other Subaru owners who share the same pride in the product as you do. Subaru technicians are possibly the best technicians out there as they share the same love and pride for the brand as the customer. They know how you feel about your car and treat it like it was their own. When it all comes down to it, if Subaru were to change their ways it would be the death of a great brand… Now I realized I got a bit off track and way to into the subject at some points and to be quite honest I could go on for days as to why Subaru although they may not make the fastest or most economic cars in the world…they have their place and almost something for everyone…and may possibly be one of if not the best car brand overall out there.

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      Hyperion146 days ago

      If Subaru goes away from turbocharging and/or loses their standard AWD (which would make, say, a WRX manual even more expensive than it is now) they probably will be reduced to a more common denominator automobile. With the FT-86 cars being developed I’d at least hope that the lineup would switch to small RWD vehicles with AWD as an option. If they become a FWD automaker again it won’t be good for their image.

      Boxer engines are unique. Performance oriented full time AWD systems are unique. Putting both in a compact package is unique. I can’t believe that CAFE regulations are seriously going to destroy this winning formula for Subaru. Just because most cars are boring without CAFE’s help doesn’t mean the few cars that aren’t have to be forced into mediocrity…… right? *shakes head*

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      howsmydriving146 days ago

      I agree, I wish CAFE would go away — to be replaced by a nice, hefty national gas tax to discourage a**holes from buying monster SUVs.

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      chevymanc6146 days ago

      Looks like the CAFE is going to ruin Subaru. All wheel drive is what makes them so desirable since there aren’t many awd cars out there. That’s their niche. I know so many people that bought Subaru only because of the awd. Without awd Subaru sales will end up like Chrysler. But maybe that’s not a bad thing since Subaru has lost is way and has lots of electronic issues on its new models. Compared Toyota they are perfect since as far as I know, subarus issues are not dangerous, just annoying. I really don’t care for Subaru but its still sad to see them suffer because of the CAFE. However, all the automakers will soon suffer from CAFE. Everythings just a mess in the auto industry these days.

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      leftwingagenda146 days ago

      you’ll still be able to get turbos and awd in subies…y’all are being quite emo…

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      Hyperion146 days ago

      leftwingagenda, yeah, we will, but if it’s not standard on all their cars it will cost more when the new regulations go into effect.

      Honestly, direct injection and some kind of hybrid system along the lines of what Ferrari has showcased might be enough to let them keep their AWD in every car.

      Turbodiesel WRX 6-speed, anyone?

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      Kid Icarus146 days ago

      Damn you CAFE! I don’t have a problem with Diesel but Hybrids and NON standard AWD? Death to CAFE! Hybrids are retarded

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      Kid Icarus146 days ago

      and I totally agree with jayjc08

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      leftwingagenda146 days ago

      eh, its a bit early to say definitively what the cost impact will be…i’m not saying you’ll end up being proven wrong, but you certainly don’t have any numbers to back your claim at this point…

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      deneway146 days ago

      Cafe is causing a poker game between manufacturers

      Ford: I have a gas hybrid
      Subaru: I’ll see your gas hybrid and raise you a diesel turbo hybrid
      Ford: I see your diesel turbo hybrid and raise you an all electric

      Must be fun to be an auto engineer these days…….

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      jayjc08145 days ago

      leftwing- How about V-8′s? In the 60′s they were only at a small premium over the 6 cylinders (in most mid-sized cars), and now they carry a HUGE premium over all other engines.

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      johnnycanuck145 days ago

      Not quite sure why you guys are getting so riled up about the possibility of a hybrid Subaru… a fair number of them are already driven by a pair of diesels.

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      leftwingagenda145 days ago

      jayjc08, probably because of volume…the assumption you guys are making is that subaru is going to start charging more for what they’re currently offering…that a wrx will cost significantly more after they offer new engines and a non-awd platform, even though the wrx wouldn’t have changed at all…i’m not sure that’s correct, is what i’m saying…

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      rarson145 days ago

      Mark, the article is incorrect. The US engines are 2.5L, not 2.4. Subaru has never built a 2.4L engine.

      CAFE is ridiculous. Their estimates for fuel economy are even worse than the EPA’s. CAFE on E85:

      “For the fuel economy calculation for alternative fuel vehicles, a gallon of alternative fuel is deemed to contain 15% fuel (which is approximately the amount of gasoline in a gallon of E85) [19] as an incentive to develop alternative fuel vehicles.[20] Dual-fuel vehicles, such as E85 capable models, are taken as the average of this alternative fuel rating and its gasoline rate. Thus a dual-fuel E85 capable vehicle which gets 15 mpg on E-85 and 25 mpg on gasoline would be rated as 20 mpg for CAFE purposes, in spite of the fact that less than one percent of the fuel used in E85 capable vehicles is actually E85.”

      CAFE also encourages manufacturers to build larger, heavier vehicles:

      “The most recent revision of CAFE that passed in 2007 no longer exempts light trucks classified as SUVs or passenger vans, unless they exceed 10,000 lb (4,500 kg) GVWR; it applies to pickup trucks and cargo vans up to 8,500 lb (3,900 kg) – as was the case for SUVs. In 1999, over half a million vehicles exceeded the GVWR and so the CAFE standard did not apply.”

      More bull**** credit trading schemes:

      “CAFE changes enacted by the 110th Congress (The Energy Independence and Security Act P.L. 110-140, H.R. 6), instructed NHTSA to establish a credit trading and transferring scheme to allow manufacturers to transfer credits between categories, as well as sell them to other manufacturers or non-manufacturers.”

      Car companies that don’t comply can always just pay the fines. It’s a convenient way of adding additional taxes to the sale of automobiles in the US.

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      rarson145 days ago

      Personally, I would love to see more diesels sold in the US market, especially because they offer good power and great fuel economy. But what I DON’T want to see is what we ARE seeing and that’s manufacturers making expensive hybrid versions of their cars that don’t offer a significant fuel economy increase in real-world driving. Maybe once technology matures, hybrids will make more sense but this is essentially forcing immature technology onto the whole market. Let companies like Toyota, Honda, and GM do the R&D to advance the technology and bring the price down so that other manufacturers can adopt it when they’re able to.

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      Mark Kleis145 days ago

      @rarson- Thanks for pointing that out! My mistake.

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      rarson145 days ago

      No problem. It’s nice to know that you guys actually read the comments on your articles.

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      Mark Kleis145 days ago

      I try… but sometimes we miss a thing or two because of the volume. If I had another 5-6 hours in the day things would be so much easier :)

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      03T4R145 days ago

      Screw CAFE. Clean diesels are the way to go. The VW TDI gets almost the same mileage as the Prius and costs roughly the same price for comparable trims. It’s also more powerful, much more fun to drive, and will probably outlast the hybrid. They could even run entirely on bio-diesel one day and don’t require mining for rare metals used in hybrid batteries. It’s a much smarter long term solution in my opinion.

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      A4144 days ago

      03T4R +1.

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      saabaru1144 days ago

      03T4R + 1 – “Clean”

      The EPA ruined diesels by requiring the emissions be cut. The new TDI is a joke compared to the old TDI, and is no longer in my list of options for future cars. Diesels WERE the future until the EPA fudged them up. Totally agree that mining for rare earth materials harms the earth far more than emissions output.

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      Borat144 days ago

      03T4R + 2, the EPA stance on diesel is pathetic. Inherently diesel produces much less CO2 then gasoline counterpart, but more heavy particles. if CAFE was serious about environment and not politics the agency could combine both emission numbers numbers as it is done in Europe. There is nothing wrong with learning what other countries are doing in regards to pollution, just like in an any other real science.

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      03T4R144 days ago

      The EPA is so politically f-ed up, they went as far as declaring CO2 a pollutant. I guess we should all stop breathing, especially indoors. Morons.

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      rarson143 days ago

      Is it any surprise? This is the agency that said we had a trash problem when we didn’t, and created a recycling program that costs twice as much as landfilling and creates additional environmental pollution.

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