canada sure can make one fast car. go canada !!

Awesome power, too bad the GT500 will still own it through a turn, and therefore around a track.

The GT500 will own it through a turn? Have you driven one of those nose heavy pigs? Come on, they may be quick in a strait line, but they are not that great in a turn. I would bet that a GT with the track pack would kill a GT500 on a tight track.

Hey hey hey! GM’s on fire!

SloW8, the previous generation GT500 may have sucked on a track, but apparently the new one for 2010 has been so heavily revised that it is an entirely new, and very much improved beast, especially when driven through the corners.

…not saying it is any better than a Z28 though, it will be a tight race i’m sure.

Hopefully they won’t change their mind again. I don’t know what the delay is with the Z28 and the convertible model. With 4 years from concept to production you think they would have developed convertible and Z28 alongside the coupe. Also a lot of car magazines are giving Mustang higher scores than Camaro due to weight, size, steering and handling.

“and we’d expect to see at least that level of performance from the Z28.” ::Choke::Choke:: what? really?

Canadian muscle at it’s best!!!!

Good for GM, I knew they would do it, they just needed to be assured they were going to be in business long enough for the economy to pick up again and their gov’t ownership wasn’t going to shut off all gas guzzlers-no matter the profit margins.

I hate to say this, but it looks like I won’t be posting as much as before. I got a new job and let’s just say it’s alot more work intensive but at least it’s still in the auto industry, albeit the car insurance adjuster type.

When LLN drove a supposedly ‘track-ready’ Camaro around the track their largest concern was the huge demand placed on the brakes. They were saying that after a few laps the brakes were smoking when they stopped. The Camaro almost weighs as much as a Suburban (not quite, but it’s a heavy b!tch), so even though the engine is much bigger than the Ford’s, it might be a closer fight than before, if the GT500 has been so improved…….

Congrats on the new job Jake, even if it’s going to take time away from the really important stuff!

This is great news. I was at the point where if there was going to be one more Hyundai vs. Toyota thread I might have puked.

Camaro needs more suspension work than power. I hope they focus on that too. Current suspensions are too soft. It could also profit from reducing weight by using aluminum parts when possible. It’s going to be expensive anyway. Might as well throw in some extra to get that second off the track time.

Glad to hear they are stuffing the LSA in the Camaro as well. It’s a no-brainer, but these days I would just have easily as guessed they announced a ‘hydrid’ Camaro…

Sweet ride, now just make the dang t-top version PLEASE

It’s good to see this to come out it need to happen, SS is what I would get if I get a Camaro but it just not right not to have a Z28 version. I my self would rather have seen the LS7 engine in. I am probably alone in that though, I just feel muscle/pony car should me natural aspirated stock and then you add the suppercharger after market.

I wonder what the numbers will be around, 0-60 and $$$

yes T-tops Pleaase

nice work, jake…i need to get your email sometime, and not just because i’ll need a friendly adjustment (that sounds dirty) when i get hit by one of those rolling wrecks held together with bungee cords!

Thanks JohnnyC, I appreciate it, really! I’m still on the computer the whole time, and it’s actually at the same company, I just get calls now and it’s waaay busier.

LWA – how can I put this down without it getting blocked? Jacob K 66 at msn dot com – no spaces… Hey Mark Kleis can give his off, why can’t I?

CTS-V power with about 400lbs less weight….sounds loke fun to me.

the camaro is heavier but has Independent suspension all around. mustang is lighter but I doubt they are dropping the live rear axle. So at best it would be close. But, to be honest if you are a track oriented person the first thing you do is pull out the heavy crap anyways. 27 Airbags? how about ZERO?

Please GM, Don’t do what ford did and give the car a huge power increase without a huge suspension upgrade. Make it handle PLEASE!

It’s a shame GM reversed the Z28 and SS designations, thereby creating market confusion. I too would go with the Z28, as forced induction is a mechanical problem waiting to happen.

Should have marked it ZL-1, but maybe that’s a future 750hp version!

Sweet, but doubt they’ll make a drop-top version of this model.

Thank Gawk Obama got elected and helped to bail out GM to make such cool cars. Finger-up to all the hatin’ right-wing jobs who all wanted GM to fail!

heh i posted this yesterday in the article about the CTS-V wagon, got deleted.. guess LLN didnt like me citing my source

anyways… i actually cant wait to see the mid-cycle refresh done on the camaro, there has been so much input from the public
as for the Z28/SS name reverse.. isnt that how the Gen4’s were aswell?

A Camaro isn’t a Camaro without a Z28. Long live the Camaro!!

I hope it comes with snow tires, Ontario winters can be brutal…

The hottest car in the world just got hotter. If everyone hasn;t already lined up out the door to get into a Camaro already, they sure will be when this work of perfection arrives!

LOL at the Rustang comparo. The Camaro pwns the Ford in power, looks, quality, reliability and appeal. The Rustang is for low-life losers who don’t know a good car from a run of the mill Ford. There isn’t a segment of the market that Ford meets or beats the mighty General at. The pony car wars just became a bitchslap to Ford (and Chrysler)

Buy American. Buy GM

AN American Revolution

teahead, I’m a conservative and I NEVER wanted GM to fail. In fact, I am a heavy GM supporter. even bought a Vette in April. please do not stereotype… it’s counterproductive.

Also, howsmydriving: Z28 was originally above SS in the hierarchy. this is merely part of the “return to roots” scheme. although the forced induction does stray a bit IMO.

Ford shining moment will be the 2011 model year. The base V6 will be at 315bhp, the GT will be at 400bhp, and the GT500 will receive an all aluminum engine with an expected power bump. The ‘11 GT500 should have a 55/45 weight distribution at the worst, and it will lose some weight. None of the Chevy models will be able to hang with the Fords.

The Z28 is going to be an awesome car, especially if they give it a more track tuned suspension which IMO is almost a given. Cant wait!

I think it’s time for Dodge to stick the Viper lump in the Challenger or it’s going to be one and done just like it was 30 years ago.

” None of the Chevy models will be able to hang with the Fords” ninetysixvert, where did you purchase your crystal ball? I have always wanted one of those! It appears as if your crystal ball is assuming that the Camaro will make zero changes for ‘11, plus it seams to have forgotten about the Z28 coming online. Come to think of it I would return your crystal ball while it is still under warranty since only time will tell this story.

I’m sure we’ll see plenty of these cars in 3 places – on the side of the road stranded, wrecked by some tool who doesn’t know how to drive one, and on the dealer lots. After all, once initial demand is met, no one else will want one.

Actually, a 4th place might be at the dealer ensuring that they don’t accidentally sell a Camaro that might catch on fire.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=147626

Well done, GM.

NMOFGM
Why has Ford outsold GM overall in the ponycar segment since it was created? Of course, logic is not one of your strong suits.

I too am glad that this car is being built… it makes both companies better to try and one-up the other.

they have made a v10 challenger prototype, but they should becoming out with a 6.4L naturaly aspirated hemi in a year or maybe 2 with 450+ hp. not as much as the Camaro but, I my self would probably take the challenger over the Camaro just because it a larger more livable daily driver. I do think they need update it with the 300c and charger and make it lighter and cheaper with the 5.7L (with 400hp) more in the gt mustang range.

Joeblow
statics have shown that maority of the pony car segmanent, that the camaro on paper and on the track outperformed the mustand. But the mustang selling more then the camaro HAD ALOT to do with the fact that the camaro you sat low and back, and the back seats where practiacly nothing, but the mustang was more sitting up and had a bigger back seat. Logic if everyone knew more, would lead you more to the camaros of the past, then the mustangs. When it came down it to, the bigger seller was who was just more comfortable to sit your ass. Im not knockin it, since ive owned 2 camaros and a mustang, and the mustang was better to drive daily just for that fact of not sitting so low.

h82w8, the battery cable issue is old news that involved a very small number of early production cars, looks like someone is getting nervous about the Z28 to me!

The Mustang is a fleet queen unlike the Camaro which sells to auto enthusiasts and performance car freaks. The rest of Mustang sales are to chicks and the occassional geek who actually believes Mustangs are cool. Hence the sales numbers.

Be American. Buy American. Buy GM.

Joeblow… your so called ‘logic’ seems to have forgotten about the Firebird, combine sales and it trumps the Mustang, just like the Silverado/ Sierra out sell the F150 today…

this is really not a big news story. its the same damn camero with a different engine. wow, life is complete now. by the way, canada does build one heck of a camaro.

MHW, come talk to me in a few years. GM has proven time and again that they’re not interested in building a great product. They’re interested in screwing their customers and in some cases blaming them. Gimmicks such as the try us for 60 days is just that.

There has been no leadership or cultural change at GM. As a company, GM is like a tired swimmer at the half way point in a swim meet. It is a company with a very sick corporate culture. It’s more interested in reshuffling the chairs on the deck of the titanic than actually making the sea changes that are needed.

All they have to do is look at Hyundai for a lesson in how to turn around perception. Of course, then they have to execute, and that is something they’ve been unwilling to do. Don’t forget that it took Hyundai nearly 20 years to really start to change people’s minds. I’m no Hyundai fanboy, but I admire what that company accomplished.

GM’s a mess.

And here I thought the SS was the top designation and so the top car in the line. Still the fist fight between the CAMARO and the MUSTANG is looking ruckus again and I amhappy for it. I just wish this was not basically “the last hoorah”. Looking down the road I can’t help but feel very uncertain how muscle cars will survive in a world of 35mpg minimum F/econ.

Meanwhile, I don’t foresee the CAMARO Z28 outright beating the GT500. 556hp vs 540hp, sounds like a given but the MUSTANG is a more refined machine despite having a less sophisticated suspension. The MUSTANG can rotate around it’s center much more easily than I would except the CAMARO to, making the MUSTANG the better tight course racer. SLA’s are also famous for straight line traction so the GT500 may still have the more power Z28. This will have to be born out in application.

Both are cars to make any owner proud. I just want DODGE to get back into the fight. I think most of us do.

Responding to Worst3,

It is going to be almost impossible to lighten the Challenger enough with what CHRYSLER has to work with right now. They still have to amortize, pay for, the equipment and such used to build the cars they have now. The Engine will be easy to bump up, it’s so stupidly powerful already that bolting A super or some Turbos would not be out of the question. But to knock off 300-400 pounds is not going to happen without completely replacing the cars and right now CHRYSLER can not afford to do that. Maybe 100 lbs without incurring too much extra cost.

Their best bet is the win on Horsepower, and improve engine tech, a new Spring-less Valve train could free up 20-50hp, for example, Heat recovery for imporve f/econ can allow for more engine power without much penalty.

Also really work on Handling. It is not hard to tune the suspension right if tuners like Hurst and SMS (SALEEN), can do it fairly cheaply. I go back to ROLLS ROYCE and BENTLEY making some of the heaviest road cars in the world, that handling like they weigh half as much, and it can’t be that hard or expensive to develop and deploy a setup that works despite weighing around 4200lbs. Having a heavy car can have its benefits but only after you control what the mass is doing.

Good one GM, why not just cannibalize/obsolete/kill your US made Corvette while you are at it?

GM, a Government Revolution!

This is really good news. They’re already offering a CAMARO– so how is a limited production ultra-high performance model going to reflect any worse on their hopes for a “green” image?

So does buying a Camero or Mustang Immediately turn you into a Petafile or does it take a few weeks?

@Blakkarr
you are right about Bentley and Rolls being able to handle and such but i don’t think that they can do it and a cheap enough price or destroying fuel economy or something. you are right about losing 400lb but I think they could get it under 2 tons with the hemi lose 150lb is possible i would think, with the other modification it could be completive.

And why do people want one car to fail, i don’t like the mustang my self but i would not want it to be fail. competition is good and so is variety. see to many mustangs on the road would like to see more challenger and camaros. the mustang almost a boring car there are just so many and thanks to probably in part the camaro and challenger the mustang people are getting a new V8 witch has not changed in to long thanks to lack of competition. i say long live the big 3 muscle/pony cars

Hey JakeK66, next time I say something about a future GM model maybe you’ll actually believe me…

2012 my friend, 2012…

Oh, expected 0-60 is going to be low 4’s, and base is expected to be 50k…. Article won’t tell you that either….

This is great news, but I do agree about the confusion over designators…The Camaro for the last few variants was the only model from Chevy that the Z wasnt the top trim level, now its back to how it should be… Still in my life time, the SS was always the king bowtie pony car… I just see alot of explaining this revised trim level at car shows… minor problem for a kick ass ride…

h82w8 I dont know what you are talking about GM not building quaility cars. In the past I have owned many number of different makes and models. Acura, Subaru, Chrysler, Chevrolet just to name a few. Out of all of them hands down the best car I ever owned was a 2003 Chevrolet Impala that had 168750 miles on the clock. That car had zero issues with it the entire time I owned it. The only reason why I traded it is due to the fact it wont pull a 10,000 5th wheel. Now I am running a 2000 Chevrolet Silverado 2500. I have had no issues since I bought that truck either. The imports I owned were reliable most of the time but every time I brought them into the it cost $1000 to get them fixed.

As for the Z28, that is an awesome piece of machinary. I cant wait to see them come to the showroom. It is nice to see the Camero go back to the origins where the Z28 is top dog Camero. Should be an interesting fight against the Shelby GT500.

iroc Z anybody?? Eh? Yeah u know u want it…

J/k anyways. Instead of hating on the camaro (NOT SPELLED CAMERO!) Or hating on the mustang, ill be a good sport and say that competition breeds better vehicles… eventho in most comparos the test drivers favor the driving experience of the Mustang. I’m not bashing the camaro, I’m just repeating what I’ve read thus far. Can’t wait for the z28 vs. The gt500/500KR

ajm11,

Customer satisfaction surveys say otherwise. No doubt, GM and Ford have gotten better, but are they equal to the class leaders? Nope. The D3 can’t afford to not offer a better value than the class leaders. Their future depends on it, unless they’re planning on having yet another bailout.

h82w8, actually the last long term reliability study I read had Buick tied with Lexus for first place, Cadillac was also high on the list with Ford and Chevy coming in right around the middle of the pack. Sure some import brands placed ahead of Ford and Chevy, but there were just as many that placed below them. The real kicker in all of this is that the actual difference between the very worst vs the very best is so small in real world terms that reliability has essentially become a non-issue. Personally I have owned 8 different GM vehicles and have had great service out of everyone of them.

Expect a price in the low $40’s, or as a $10k package over the SS, so it doesn’t compete to directly with Corvette
It would be best if this were manual-only
But there are so many poseurs out thur, we’ll see

I hate the shifter with the seam right down the middle
DrFill

have to agree with Drfill I think it would be more in the 45k range 50k would coast more then the Corvette and i don’t think they would want a price overlap but could always be wrong.

if the CTS-V can hit 0-60 in 4.0 I would expect the Camaro to be similar

This should weigh 2-300lbs less
So it should be a little quicker
DrFill

At first i thought it may be faster the the CTS but it might not for a few reasons.

I know it will be a bit lighter and it may go faster but even thought it is lighter it may go a bit slower to 60 and overall. depending on if it geared the same and weight distribution may be heavy up front. or they just may want to keep the CTS faster and purposely slow it down as you are paying more for it and they probably make more on it and such

Unless GM thinks people will cross-shop it with a Cadillac (I don’t)
They’ll probably give it similar gearing to the SS, and let nature take it’s course
CTS-V has sold all it’s going to sell
No need to protect it
And it’s $20k more
DrFill

Really Doc? The CTS-V has sold all it’s going to sell? That would be why they’re bringing out a Coupe and a Wagon to compliment the sedan? I think just the opposite. The “V” is going to become a staple of the Cadillac diet.

I was more thinking along the lines of a status thing, If some one is paying more fore the CTS they would expect it to be faster, more to appease the CTS buyers. just a thought for why it may be slower I’m thinking 50-50 chance. old fire birds were crippled a bit to not perform better then Corvette.

should be a fast car one way or the other.

NMOFGM

I’m sure someone has enlightened you already, but this ‘American’ car is built in CANADA. Call it what you want and keep your ridiculous close-minded opinion on the world; nothing will change you. It’s amazing you haven’t been banned yet, although I guess your stupid comments stir up discussion which is good for the site.

I’m not even Pro-Mustang, but it’s built in Michigan (i.e. AMERICA). Pull your head out of your……. nevermind, you can’t hear with the current location of your ears.

look at this pathetic design… one wonders who actually agreed to have this one built… does GM really think theyre gonna get a slice of the pony-car cake worth mentioning with THIS? the more i see the camaro, the more it makes me want to throw up…

fan, just because you personally don’t like the Camaro doesn’t mean beans. If you are up on cars at all you would know that the Camaro has been out-selling the Mustang for awhile now. I’m sure at some point Camaro sells will level off, but to answer your question the Camaro will without doubt take it’s share of the pony-car market.

Atwork I could’nt have said it better myself. I am in agreement with 96V. The ALL New Mustang forget all GM garbage including their ZR1 souped up junk. The GT500 is going for much bigger game it will Blow away a Porsche GT3, Nissan Skyline-GT-R Vspec, and the Viper ACR instead . That’s the target market the big fish not the minnows like the Corvette or Camaro!

96V look for A totally New Mustang that will Leave the Corvette ZR1 sucking Gas and watching the All New Ford Motor Aluminum Coyote Twin Force V-8 Mill Churning out a Battleship powering 900HP to 1,100 HP NO Sweat!
IRS,AWD, DDCT, and Just Pulling out of the Corvette’s view at FTL! Oh Yeah in your Face Chevy Lovers!

Johnny
Special cars like the CTS-V tend to lose sales steeply after year 2
The coupe and wagon are for the CTS, not the V-version
Unless you have some news on that front
Very low volume model
DrFill

Looks like Bankruptcy2009 is playing in the land of make-believe again.

No you’ll see your CTS-V and ZR-1 are Trash in the making Ford Rules.

Sounds like it will be a beast but it would be much better if it had the ls7 instead of the ls9. Naturally aspired muscle cars are much better than just throwing an annoying supercharger on the base v8. Muscle cars are meant to have raw muscle not superchargers. But so far the ls9 is the only supercharged engine that I’ve seen that doesn’t have supercharger wine. But what really annpoys me is nameplates are backwords. the SS model was always the top end v8 model except for the super fast limited production models and the z28 was always the base or only v8 option. So they should just name it zl1 or even zo6 or zr1.

The iconic American muscle car, engineered in Australia, built in Canada. Ironic Australia wont get it.

Now that Ford expects to return to profitabilty in 2011, dont discount Ford using the Falcon platform for the next gen Mustang. They would be stupid not to!

^^^ Ford Falcon is a piece of ****. It gets p0wned by the Holden in every way shape and form. It’s old, and no, it will be a horrible platform for the next Mustang.

The current Mustang is based on a Jaguar platform, for you motherf.uckers with short memory. Along with Thunderbird, Lincoln LS, etc… and it’s a ****ty ass platform.

Ford needs a brand new platform. Maybe they should get MAZDA to make one for them.

LS7 No its the other way around the New FORD FALCON Destroys the Holden POS in every category and most certainly acceleration.

The new camaro is ok, but Toyota is much better with better engines and fuel economy
Be American. Buy Japenese. Buy Toyota

Can’t wait to see what Hennessy will do with this as they did with the SS