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  • Report: Entry-level Cadillac model to come in four flavors

    By Drew Johnson

    The Cadillac CTS may be priced along the same lines as the BMW 3-Series, but the four-door Caddy is actually more in line – in terms of size – with BMW’s 5-Series. As such, General Motors’ luxury division is readying a true entry-level model, with new details on the project surfacing on Thursday.
    Believed to be based on GM’s long-rumored rear-wheel drive Alpha platform, the ATS is being designed as a direct competitor to vehicles like the BMW 3-Series and Audi A4. Powertrains for the new model remain unknown, but a new report has shed some light on what body styles the ATS will be available in.

    “We’re finalizing the four-door showcar of the ATS first,” an inside source told Inside Line. “Then we’ll follow quickly after with a wagon, a coupe and a convertible.”

    Moreover, it sounds as if all four body styles have a real chance of making production. In fact, Cadillac engineers are currently deciding if the convertible variant should have a hard or soft-top. In all likelihood, the convertible will feature a conventional rag top for weight and space issues.

    A concept version of the Cadillac ATS will be completed in the coming months, with the entry-level sedan expected to make its world debut at the 2010 Los Angeles Auto Show.

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      johnnycanuck182 days ago

      ATS? Almost a Three Series?

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      AMERICAN_#!182 days ago

      cadillac is the quality standard of the world. the germans and crappy lexus should see what real quality and luxury cars are. bmw and mercedes buy cadillacs to take them apart, and study them to see why theyre so good and they try to copy it. but they cant because AMERICAN quality can not be matched and thats why cadillac is the best quality car in the world. why do you think the president drives one?? because its the best!

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      idrinorbarsaku182 days ago

      ^^LOL!! You can stop bullsh!ting when you grow up!

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      idrinorbarsaku182 days ago

      ATS is a retarded name!

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      andy182 days ago

      CTS starts at 35k, 3 series sedan as 33k @230hp… have the base ATS starts at 30k and offers 250hp turbo 4 and 30mpg and its a win

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      saabaru1182 days ago

      I am very excited about this vehicle, but let’s hope ATS doesn’t survive as the name… although ATS-V does have a nice ring to it. I guess they don’t have much choice though, BTS sounds like a bowel movement. I would like to see a real hardtop, not folding, but hang from the roof of your garage type. Maybe they have some leftover mechanisms from the Pontiac G6 folding hard top, otherwise sounds expensive.

      @American#: I love your views man. How’s that “American muscle” Camaro treating you?

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      Audi RS5182 days ago

      Always Trying for Style johnnycanuck. ;)

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      Ibcheeky2182 days ago

      @ AMERICAN_#!,

      If BMW copied Cadillac they wouldn’t still be building interiors that are embarrassingly old fashioned and outdated. Who really sits in a BMW 3 series, looks at the dash and say’s “this is nice and modern”?

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      saabaru1182 days ago

      I know they won’t do it because of CAFE, but the V better have eight pistons. The 2.0L turbo ecotec should be base engine along side the 3.6 high feature v6. Then the 6.0 or 6.2L pushing 450.

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      A4182 days ago

      Dumb name, but the car sounds awesome. This is one of the best segments out there, especially when you get V-series wagons.

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      saabaru1182 days ago

      Actually, the low volume of the V wouldn’t affect corporate averages anyway, so 8 pot it is.

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      0-60182 days ago

      @ American
      And the president of china drives a Buick.
      That’s great and all but from one American car fan to an obvious onther. When you talk like that you make people not like American cars. It’ makes American car fans look dumb because you can’t have a serious comment. I have owned 2 Caddys and would take the new CTS-V over any BMW or MB but I would not say it like you just did. Come on man let’s get it together.

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      ignorance123182 days ago

      3.25i, now that’s a name!!!

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      A4182 days ago

      saabaru, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Turbo-6 from the SRX boosted to about 400hp for a V-version. Especially up against a 330hp S4 or the next M3 that’s supposed to have a smaller engine.

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      JakeK66182 days ago

      This is awesome – and also this was SUPPOSED to be offered as a Pontiac too. Oh well, at least we get something from the platform that’s been rumored since 2003…

      I still question the actual size of this car will be that much smaller than the CTS. The CTS isn’t all that big right now – so it will obviously move up a size next generation but it makes for some inside competition for the time being.

      The CTS also can be had for under $30,000 real money – so I’m interested in where this will be fitting in as far as money is concearned too. You can’t have a sub $25,000 Cadillac IMO when freakin’ Buick Regals start at near $28,000.

      Again – I’m a huge fan of this car to be but the business case is not well thought out with the current CTS’s positioning.

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      zoomzoomer182 days ago

      LOL @ Johnny! I assume this will replace the Euro-Market BLS (Built from Leftover Saabs)?

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      archknight182 days ago

      This car won’t see a V8, so people can get that out of their minds. Since all other companies are downsizing the engines of their high spec models, Cadillac will follow suit. All the German manufacturers have proven they can pump out huge horsepower and torque from small displacement engines, so Caddy will have to prove it can out 3 a 3-series.

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      yarddog82abn182 days ago

      4 years, why not in 2 years?….

      GM dose that alot, they show us something badas, then they water it down, and give us the end product that looks nothing close to what they promiss us. Well the Camaro was close, I’ll give them that, but everything els, has fallen short… Good job GM, just another reason you find your self in the place you are today…

      And hurry up with delivering us the Conv. Camaro, what’s taking so long!….

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      AMERICAN_#!182 days ago

      yarddog- the reason its taking so long for the convertable camaro to come out is because they got stupid canadians up north building the roof!

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      Cardemon04182 days ago

      cool, maybe I’ll buy one…. I was already looking at the CTS

      not thrilled about the name “ATS”, but I cant think of a better name that stays with Cadillac’s naming convention

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      andy182 days ago

      @yarddog82abn.. they are sitting on the Conv. Camaro because they new the coupe would cool off, then instead of a major mid cycle refresh, they just release the convertible and stretch a few more years out of the current setup.

      and where did it say 4 years… i could see the ‘ATS’ hitting the market as a 2012MY, that’s if GM stick to their words and pushing projects through in a timely manor.

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      andy182 days ago

      @AMERICAN_#!: god youre stupid, the Camaro roof is being built in Bowling Green, Kentucky, that’s right the capitol of the Corvette.

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      leftwingagenda182 days ago

      cadillac, its where its ats…

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      SomeJerk182 days ago

      People will replace that pesky T with another S.

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      Troll Killer182 days ago

      The V version should be a monster.

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      85ZingoGTR182 days ago

      johnnycannuck – Oh cmon now. Lets not start with the accronyms. lol

      AMERICAN_#1 – Do you happen to know No More Oil For GM? Or is that you? No it can’t be. You seem to be more ignorant.

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      James Soucie182 days ago

      I have high hopes for this car. It should be based on the upcomming Alpha platform, which Holden developed. If this car is light enough to use the LNF from the solstice than it can see up to 290hp and 340tq. Light weight, turbo four with more torque than M3, and RWD, I’m hoping that this is the best caddy yet.

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      Troll Killer182 days ago

      They should make a long wheelbase version called the ATL…..wait……

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      The Velvet Hammer182 days ago

      At just a little under 60k the CTS-V is the biggest sleeper out there, and will bury just about any thing it comes up againts. However, if I sell you one you’ll pay more than sticker and like it.

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      VR6VW182 days ago

      @AMERICAN_#! we canadians not only have the contract for the conv. room but we build the whole damn car… look it up.

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      Redskyblackdream182 days ago

      XTS starts production late next year with the ATS following shortly after. If the XTS is a 2012, the ATS may be either that or a early model ’13. Its not as far away as we think but I agree though, these cars need to come sooner.

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      JaSt182 days ago

      Why not just bring the BLS here instead of designing a completely new car?

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      JaSt182 days ago

      @AMERICAN_#!
      Firstly, I wouldn’t call Cadillac the world standard of quality. I have a Cadillac and I love it, in fact so much that I feel a bit guilty posting this. I could drive half way around the world in it and still not get tired of it. The body is almost bullet proof and the performance is phenominal. But between the mapholder falling down, the dashboard warping and coming out of place (which are both highly common problems in my particular model), and the fake wood and chrome trims, the quality sometimes just doesn’t justify the amount I paid for it. Nonetheless, it only accelerates when I want it to…

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      85ZingoGTR182 days ago

      JaSt – I think the BLS is even smaller. So its a different class of car. I think. Im not sure.

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      85ZingoGTR182 days ago

      AMERICAN_#! – I also wouldn’t quite call the Cadillac Cimarron the world standard of quality either. Lets not forget that act of stupidity from GM that nearly left Cadillac out of existence. And even today Cadillac still struggles with the shadow left by that piece of $hit. Yeah that bad. GM litterally ruined a legendary name with that car. So I hate to break it to you buddy. But when it comes to quality, Cadillac is the last thing that pops into many peoples mind.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_Cimarron

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      tyler_is_aero_tt182 days ago

      AMERICAN_#! is obviously NMOFGM.

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      howsmydriving182 days ago

      Cadillic is trying to be relevant with enthusiasts. Lincoln, no way.

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      Ibcheeky2182 days ago

      The Cimarron was almost 30 years ago. Anyone that keeps bringing that up for comparison has some serious mental issues.

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      JakeK66182 days ago

      Jast – the BLS is based on the soon to be replaced Saab 9-3 platform. They already cancelled the BLS in Europe so that’s why they aren’tsimply bring that car over. It’s dead.

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      lolrax182 days ago

      I like what Cadillac is doing and I bet they will bring something to the market that will undercut the competition on price and beat them in power, refinement and value. Cadillac is getting serious now.

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      anyclearer182 days ago

      Like every other caddy, i can see this being the size of the 3 series and priced like a 1 series, just like the cts is a 5 series size at a 3 price. The coupe of this I WILL HAVE!!!!!!

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      85ZingoGTR182 days ago

      Ibcheeky2 – Its not “serious mental issues”, its how this industry works. All industries actually. One little product that turns out to be anything opposite of what a name brand represents, or a product that turns out to be so bad can hurt a company for a long time. Its all in the “brand image” and it plays a major role in the success or failure of a company. When I say “brand image” I mean as in the consumers outlook on the company. Kind of like when you go to a job interview looking like $hit. You may be an excellent employee and very knowledgeable in your field but they won’t hire you if you don’t look presentable. Call it mental issues or whatever you want. The Cimarron almost destroyed Cadillac and believe it or not Cadillac is still in the recovery process from it. I think Cadillac will be ok though. If Ford survived the horrors of the Pinto after they felt thst lawsuits were cheaper than making the car safer, so can Cadillac survive the horrors of the Cimarron which was simply a badge engineered Cavalier priced twice the amount the Cavalier was worth.

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      Borat182 days ago

      @85ZingoGTR, good point. But if I recall when asked “what the difference between Cimarron and Cavalier?” the spokesman answered “5 grand”. Cavalier was never worth 5 grand, as this fellow wrote it was 30 years ago.

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      Paul Mezhir182 days ago

      This is great news! More competitive cars to choose from………the industry is changing drastically these days. This is automobile history in the making. I can’t wait to see Ford’s response!

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      psiclone182 days ago

      85ZingoGTR, while I wouldn’t defend the Cimmaron or the decision to produce it, I don’t think Cadillac’s image was as severely beaten by it as you suggest. It certainly didn’t help and obviously caused many to chuckle or even laugh. But during those years serious Cadillac buyers were shopping for El Dorados, Sevilles and Fleetwoods. While at that time even those models were in their final years of supremacy, in my opinion, it was mroeso the 1985 Sedan DeVille that marked the start of the company’s serious decline than the Cimmaron. The Sedan DeVille was to supplant their premier, bread and butter, market. But it missed the mark. Completely. They sold like gangbusters simply because, up until then, people bought what Cadillac and Lincoln sold to them thinking it was best. Unlike the Cimmaron, which was primarily Cadillac’s failed niche-response to a need for efficient vehicles, the newly shrunken Sedan DeVille struck at the base of their image. Then the ill-conceived micro-sized El Dorado and Seville replacements came out for 86 and nearly completed the un-Cadillac-ing of Cadillac. They didn’t seem to understand WHY they needed to reduce the size if their cars, they just did it, rather than putting forth an honest “standard of the world” effort. The cars felt big but were small and suffering in quality. That’s the legacy I see as having seriously hurt Cadillac’s image. But that was a quarter of a century ago and I believe they began repairing their image almost as soon as they hurt it. And I think everything they’ve done since has been in the right direction (or at least an honest attempt to, i.e., the Caddy that zigged). Sometimes it was baby steps, sometimes it was by leaps.

      With that said, I am seriously excited to see what Cadillac has planned for this ATS. They’ve been doing everything right lately and I think they are indeed headed back to being able to, with a straight face, lay claim to the standard of the world.

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      85ZingoGTR182 days ago

      psiclone – Im anticipating this ATS car too. Cadillac so far seems to be doing things right and matching their lineup with the germans.

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      masteryoda83182 days ago

      is this car is going to be sweet–really intriguing to someone like myself who would love to have a sub 40K caddilac

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      adrian8806182 days ago

      Hahaha..I don’t even need to go to a comedy club to get a weeks worth of laughs in a few minutes.

      I’m interested in how the styling will turn out; I love their new direction.

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      F50182 days ago

      @ American: Obama doesn’t drive a Cadillac, he used to drive a 300C SRT8 until he sold it for a Ford Escape Hybrid, his Limo is actually a modified GMC TopKick.

      I think ATS is a rather stupid name, BTS is better. If the XTS gets renamed as the DTS then that can leave room for a 1-Series/B-Class/A3 sized ATS based on the Delta and an ETS Coupe/Roadster at the top.

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      Z06ified181 days ago

      I hate the alphabet soup names of cars in general. I wish they would come up with a cool sounding name, but I suppose that’s not “European” or “upscale” enough for the sheep out there.

      Anyway, I don’t think they need a wagon version, but sedan, coupe, convertible, and V-series versions of all three are definitely needed, to compete with the M3, RS4, and C63. I’m looking forward to this car, and I wonder what engines/powertrain it will have. My guess is base engine will be the 3.0L direct injection V-6, followed by an optional 3.6L direct injection V-6, and the V-version may get the new 5.5L V-8 being used in the GT2 Corvette ALMS racecar right now, perhaps with direct injection as well. And hopefully it will have an optional 7-speed DSG gearbox, along with a traditional manual too.

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