Comments on: Report: Opel planning minivan-like crossover for 2009 http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009.html Car news, reviews, and specs for the auto-industry Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:18:40 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Brendino http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009.html/comment-page-1#comment-285540 Brendino Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:34:25 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/08/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009/#comment-285540 Sorry, Stuart, but they wouldn't do it if it didn't pay off. How does GM sell more half-ton pickups than Ford? But splitting up into Silverado and Sierra. I guarantee you they wouldn't sell as many if they were all in one marque. The same thing with the Kappas. They sell more by appealing to different markets. Of course that's all irrelevant to this article, since Opel and Saturn will NEVER cross paths. Sorry, Stuart, but they wouldn’t do it if it didn’t pay off.

How does GM sell more half-ton pickups than Ford? But splitting up into Silverado and Sierra. I guarantee you they wouldn’t sell as many if they were all in one marque.

The same thing with the Kappas. They sell more by appealing to different markets.

Of course that’s all irrelevant to this article, since Opel and Saturn will NEVER cross paths.

]]> By: buenos http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009.html/comment-page-1#comment-285532 buenos Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:12:57 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/08/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009/#comment-285532 Interesting article on "perceived quality". I was the unfortunate owner of a Pontiac that ended up being the worst new car experience I have ever had. The vehicle had 97 service days in it's first three years, 70 of those in the first year. I recently got rid of the vehicle and got a Japanese made car. Will it have better quality? Only time will tell. However, the last time my old car was in for service, and I sat in the waiting room looking at a brand new Buick Lucerne sitting on the showroom floor, I noticed the new little GM badge that has been affixed to GM vehicles, supposedly to remind owners that they have a "quality GM product". The badge was put on crooked... and that little badge speaks volumes about GM's commitment to quality. It may be unfortunate, but GM has lost me as a potential customer for life. Interesting article on “perceived quality”. I was the unfortunate owner of a Pontiac that ended up being the worst new car experience I have ever had. The vehicle had 97 service days in it’s first three years, 70 of those in the first year. I recently got rid of the vehicle and got a Japanese made car. Will it have better quality? Only time will tell. However, the last time my old car was in for service, and I sat in the waiting room looking at a brand new Buick Lucerne sitting on the showroom floor, I noticed the new little GM badge that has been affixed to GM vehicles, supposedly to remind owners that they have a “quality GM product”. The badge was put on crooked… and that little badge speaks volumes about GM’s commitment to quality. It may be unfortunate, but GM has lost me as a potential customer for life.

]]> By: Stuart http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009.html/comment-page-1#comment-285455 Stuart Mon, 11 Dec 2006 06:49:24 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/08/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009/#comment-285455 Jordan - Your point is totally stupid. All the Honda's you name are in different segments. E.g. You want a coupe buy a Accord coupe, A sedan then buy a Accord or a suv then buy a CRV. This is the same with the E-class which shares its chassis with the SL and CLS. Although the CLS and E-class basically have the same format (Front engine, RWD,four doors) The cls is a coupe and the E-class is a sedan. obviously the SL is totally different or does sharing the platform make them the same???????? What is the SKY and Solstice?.........Ummmmmmm A roadsters based on the same Kappa platform made to do the same thing just at slightly different price. P.S Just because LLN says Saab or Chevy won't be made doesn't mean its written in stone. Other Web pages say Saab will and will look like a ROADSTER version of the Saab Concept X Jordan – Your point is totally stupid. All the Honda’s you name are in different segments. E.g. You want a coupe buy a Accord coupe, A sedan then buy a Accord or a suv then buy a CRV.

This is the same with the E-class which shares its chassis with the SL and CLS. Although the CLS and E-class basically have the same format (Front engine, RWD,four doors) The cls is a coupe and the E-class is a sedan. obviously the SL is totally different or does sharing the platform make them the same????????

What is the SKY and Solstice?………Ummmmmmm A roadsters based on the same Kappa platform made to do the same thing just at slightly different price.

P.S Just because LLN says Saab or Chevy won’t be made doesn’t mean its written in stone. Other Web pages say Saab will and will look like a ROADSTER version of the Saab Concept X

]]> By: A4 http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009.html/comment-page-1#comment-285450 A4 Mon, 11 Dec 2006 05:41:56 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/08/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009/#comment-285450 yeah the saab was shitcanned last i checked, and ive seen sketches of the "sting ray" roadster and i doubt thatll ever come to fruition as well... it might, and it might be cool, but it needs some kind of rediculous change to distance it. They ought to drop a V8 in it like Mallett did to the Solstice.. its rediculous, and awesome. yeah the saab was ****canned last i checked, and ive seen sketches of the “sting ray” roadster and i doubt thatll ever come to fruition as well… it might, and it might be cool, but it needs some kind of rediculous change to distance it. They ought to drop a V8 in it like Mallett did to the Solstice.. its rediculous, and awesome.

]]> By: Jordan http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009.html/comment-page-1#comment-285441 Jordan Mon, 11 Dec 2006 00:42:18 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/08/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009/#comment-285441 Stuart - i'm not quite sure i grasp what you are saying about "targeting brands in your own company." if i had my way i would have companies not share chassis at all, but because that is so cost-ineffective, it's not a possibility. furthermore, the saab roadster is not going to happen - as reported by this site itself. http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/09/02/report-gm-has-no-plans-for-saab-kappa-roadster/ also, i doubt a chevy roadster would sell that well, considering the segment is already covered by the two existing kappa roadsters. additionally, honda shares the accord chassis among the accord coupe, accord sedan, odyssey, and pilot. the civic platform is shared among ALL the civics, the cr-v, and the element. i don't see you complaining. Stuart – i’m not quite sure i grasp what you are saying about “targeting brands in your own company.” if i had my way i would have companies not share chassis at all, but because that is so cost-ineffective, it’s not a possibility. furthermore, the saab roadster is not going to happen – as reported by this site itself.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/09/02/report-gm-has-no-plans-for-saab-kappa-roadster/

also, i doubt a chevy roadster would sell that well, considering the segment is already covered by the two existing kappa roadsters.

additionally, honda shares the accord chassis among the accord coupe, accord sedan, odyssey, and pilot. the civic platform is shared among ALL the civics, the cr-v, and the element. i don’t see you complaining.

]]> By: Stuart http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009.html/comment-page-1#comment-285350 Stuart Sun, 10 Dec 2006 06:42:27 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/08/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009/#comment-285350 Brendino - GM has already said it plans to make two or more vechicles on every chassis it produces. I don't mind the chassis sharing but what does get to me is when you use the platform to target brands in your own company. e.g. The Pontiac roadster. This should a been a proper Saturn Sky coupe and not any other model, Except they are planing a Saab Roadster and even a buick or Chevy. Why not just shoot yourself in the foot. Brendino – GM has already said it plans to make two or more vechicles on every chassis it produces. I don’t mind the chassis sharing but what does get to me is when you use the platform to target brands in your own company. e.g. The Pontiac roadster. This should a been a proper Saturn Sky coupe and not any other model, Except they are planing a Saab Roadster and even a buick or Chevy. Why not just shoot yourself in the foot.

]]> By: Renton http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009.html/comment-page-1#comment-285294 Renton Sun, 10 Dec 2006 05:00:46 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/08/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009/#comment-285294 chuckles -- WTF were/are you thinking? chuckles — WTF were/are you thinking?

]]> By: Brendino http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009.html/comment-page-1#comment-285066 Brendino Sat, 09 Dec 2006 21:22:24 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/08/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009/#comment-285066 Stuart - Right now, the Lucerne is the only vehicle on the G-body architecture. for 21 years, the Corvette was the only car on its platform as well. Look to the past for the Z-body, GM2900, P-body, and the H1. However, your premise is flawed. Everybody shares platforms. If they don't, it's because they don't have a huge market share. Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Hyundai...all of them share platforms within their marques. But that's not the point. You initially complained about badge engineering (I quoted your own misspelling there), and that's different than platform sharing. You don't dislike DCX for putting the 300 on the old E-class platform, do you? Of course not, because the look and feel was completely different. Just because you share a platform - that doesn't mean jack. You can stretch a platform, shrink it, make it into an SUV (after all, we don't resent Toyota for putting the HIghlander on the Camry platform, right?), etc. I mean, the Sigma platform provides a base for the CTS, STS, and SRX, but those vehicles have little in common. Platform sharing has little to no downsides if it is used correctly, because it increases common parts which reduces R&D and overall cost and promotes a global architecture, which is the direction that the auto industry is going. Stuart – Right now, the Lucerne is the only vehicle on the G-body architecture. for 21 years, the Corvette was the only car on its platform as well. Look to the past for the Z-body, GM2900, P-body, and the H1.

However, your premise is flawed. Everybody shares platforms. If they don’t, it’s because they don’t have a huge market share. Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Hyundai…all of them share platforms within their marques. But that’s not the point. You initially complained about badge engineering (I quoted your own misspelling there), and that’s different than platform sharing. You don’t dislike DCX for putting the 300 on the old E-class platform, do you? Of course not, because the look and feel was completely different.

Just because you share a platform – that doesn’t mean jack. You can stretch a platform, shrink it, make it into an SUV (after all, we don’t resent Toyota for putting the HIghlander on the Camry platform, right?), etc. I mean, the Sigma platform provides a base for the CTS, STS, and SRX, but those vehicles have little in common. Platform sharing has little to no downsides if it is used correctly, because it increases common parts which reduces R&D and overall cost and promotes a global architecture, which is the direction that the auto industry is going.

]]> By: Renton http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009.html/comment-page-1#comment-284992 Renton Sat, 09 Dec 2006 17:40:23 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/08/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009/#comment-284992 Waiting for BMW's V series, or whatever they will call it. Waiting for BMW’s V series, or whatever they will call it.

]]> By: Stuart http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009.html/comment-page-1#comment-284991 Stuart Sat, 09 Dec 2006 17:35:54 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/08/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009/#comment-284991 Brendino --- intrigue me, When was the last time GM made any 1 platform for a single car? I don't hate Gm but going by experience I believe Opel and GM in general are crap. P.s. Type "Badge" Carsarecool --- Opel is sold in America using the Saturn badge like they sell Opels in England as Vauxhalls. So Expect it soon. Brendino — intrigue me, When was the last time GM made any 1 platform for a single car? I don’t hate Gm but going by experience I believe Opel and GM in general are crap.

P.s. Type “Badge”

Carsarecool — Opel is sold in America using the Saturn badge like they sell Opels in England as Vauxhalls. So Expect it soon.

]]> By: A4 http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009.html/comment-page-1#comment-284969 A4 Sat, 09 Dec 2006 16:32:13 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/08/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009/#comment-284969 i owned a 2000 opel corsa and it had no reliability issues whatsoever, theyve completely done a 180 in the quality department when compared with the 80's, which forced them to leave the US market. They are possibly even GM's most reliable brand these days. i owned a 2000 opel corsa and it had no reliability issues whatsoever, theyve completely done a 180 in the quality department when compared with the 80’s, which forced them to leave the US market. They are possibly even GM’s most reliable brand these days.

]]> By: Brendino http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009.html/comment-page-1#comment-284968 Brendino Sat, 09 Dec 2006 16:30:28 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/08/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009/#comment-284968 @Stuart - How is this 'bagge' engineering? Does it even say that it's on an existing platform? Does it even say that it will definitely be a Saturn? Please, criticize GM for the likes of the G5/Cobalt, but don't actively try to hate on everything they do, especially when your arguments are baseless. @Stuart –

How is this ‘bagge’ engineering? Does it even say that it’s on an existing platform? Does it even say that it will definitely be a Saturn?

Please, criticize GM for the likes of the G5/Cobalt, but don’t actively try to hate on everything they do, especially when your arguments are baseless.

]]> By: Ricardo Head http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009.html/comment-page-1#comment-284908 Ricardo Head Sat, 09 Dec 2006 15:17:38 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/08/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009/#comment-284908 So what is a "minivan-like crossover?" That ass-ugly R-class just looks like a retarded old minivan to me, and I'm sure the Opel will too. . . And I, BTW, stigmatize the hell out of Honda Odyssey drivers, they drive about as retardedly as Prius and Volvo idiots, which basically means they all should die. The Odyssey looks pretty gay too. Like a Toyota Sienna after it swallowed a Nissan Quest's load. So what is a “minivan-like crossover?”
That ass-ugly R-class just looks like a retarded old minivan to me, and I’m sure the Opel will too.
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And I, BTW, stigmatize the hell out of Honda Odyssey drivers, they drive about as retardedly as Prius and Volvo idiots, which basically means they all should die. The Odyssey looks pretty gay too. Like a Toyota Sienna after it swallowed a Nissan Quest’s load.

]]> By: chris2 http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009.html/comment-page-1#comment-284752 chris2 Sat, 09 Dec 2006 14:04:49 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/08/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009/#comment-284752 Won't this new vehicle be a smaller vehicle than the Lamdas? Won’t this new vehicle be a smaller vehicle than the Lamdas?

]]> By: carsarecool http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009.html/comment-page-1#comment-284702 carsarecool Sat, 09 Dec 2006 13:10:23 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/08/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009/#comment-284702 Stuart, it is hardly badge engineering when neither brand is sold in both countries. Stuart, it is hardly badge engineering when neither brand is sold in both countries.

]]> By: Veda http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009.html/comment-page-1#comment-284633 Veda Sat, 09 Dec 2006 11:07:03 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/08/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009/#comment-284633 If you ever owned a few Opels like I did, you'd wonder why people still buy them after all these years. Same as the pretty but unreliable Peugeot. If you ever owned a few Opels like I did, you’d wonder why people still buy them after all these years. Same as the pretty but unreliable Peugeot.

]]> By: Stuart http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009.html/comment-page-1#comment-284624 Stuart Sat, 09 Dec 2006 06:49:02 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/08/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009/#comment-284624 Just another bagge engineering job by GM. woo hoo you know it gonna be a piece of shit anyway Just another bagge engineering job by GM. woo hoo you know it gonna be a piece of **** anyway

]]> By: A4 http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009.html/comment-page-1#comment-284617 A4 Sat, 09 Dec 2006 05:40:24 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/08/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009/#comment-284617 You know what else is funny? theres no stigma put on the Honda Odyssey.. in fact i know people who find it pretty sweet, believe it or not... while Ford and GM's offerings are just crap. And why would Saturn bring this new Opel crossover here when they havent even really released the Outlook yet? Is that thing supposed to have a 2-3 year shelf life? This new opel model surely would overlap way too much. You know what else is funny? theres no stigma put on the Honda Odyssey.. in fact i know people who find it pretty sweet, believe it or not… while Ford and GM’s offerings are just crap. And why would Saturn bring this new Opel crossover here when they havent even really released the Outlook yet? Is that thing supposed to have a 2-3 year shelf life? This new opel model surely would overlap way too much.

]]> By: A4 http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009.html/comment-page-1#comment-284616 A4 Sat, 09 Dec 2006 05:36:40 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/08/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009/#comment-284616 dont worry they dont dont worry they dont

]]> By: Oldsmobile http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009.html/comment-page-1#comment-284586 Oldsmobile Sat, 09 Dec 2006 00:26:59 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/08/report-opel-planning-minivan-like-crossover-for-2009/#comment-284586 ^^^^^^^ I hope nobody takes your posts seriously. ^^^^^^^ I hope nobody takes your posts seriously.

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