thats pretty amazing considering this is a bigger car!

Here we go again! Very impressive if this is true as a new CTS-V is hard to beat.

And this matters why?

I keep seeing reports of the tests at the Nurburgring on these new cars today and it really means very little when it comes to real world driving. The majority of these cars owners, especially CTS-V and Panamera Turbo owners will NEVER see track time. That is even the case for the GT-R and GT2 battles that have been going on. While the numbers are impressive, it is very impracticle when looking at a car designed to be driven by the public on public roads.

Plus, this Porsche is a good $60,000 MORE than a CTS-V.

Yea wouldn’t that be, ” no crap the damn thing costs 2x the Caddy!”

At double the price it had better beat the CTS-V. Was this a Porsche news blurb or did you just pick a random 4 door performance car to compare to? If the comparison came from Porsche that is high praise indeed.

Who the hell cares about the CTS V ??? Its a fn Cadillac! Worry about other German Comp like your cousin Audi MB and BMW
THe last CTS V ’s rear axle was faulty and the check out the current generation on Edmunds and see problems they had with it Even the bottom seat panel came off

This battle never ends—which is good! (Panamera styling = bad)

Your data is incorrect, the Cadillac CTS-V’s time was 7:59.32!

I care about Caddy because the V will outrun anything MB, AMG, or Audi can throw at it right now in terms of a 4 door sedan. I’d rather take a faulty bottom seat panel that can easily be taken care of rather then a very pricey SMG transmission too. Come on, give the V a little respect, it deserves it!

nobody is disrespecting the v…if anything, most folks here disrespect the panamera, even if most reviews are glowingly positive, despite the odd look…

The reason this is news-worthy and commonly reported by automakers is because it is an excellent marketing tool. It goes back to the old “Race on Sunday, sell on Monday” philosophy, that is now sorely lacking in nearly all forms of televised motor sports. By publishing the Nurburgring times, it gives people a reason to consider that over another car with a slower time, just as people were more inclined to buy cars that won Nascar races, back when stock car racing actual meant they used a “Stock” car.

I’m surprised the Porsche was just barely faster. The CTS-V was an automatic driven by an engineer.

3 secs is barely faster for a marathon. For auto racing, this is pretty significant.

Show us the picture again of the dashing young Germans in their Willy Wonka outfits on the assembly line.

To make this statistically viable you gotta plop Walter Röhrl in both cars.

I believe if they had the same driver for each car, they will get the same performance numbers. But the Porsche is the ugliest fvucking shi!t I’ve ever seen… right behind the PT Cruiser and the Aztec. But I’ll be damned if I pay $60k more for a car that is JUST 3 seconds faster around the ring, which should be extensively researched by a notable third party.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss. Good news.
Though, Caddy have it easy to improve the CTS-V to shave 3 secs don’t they?

At 3 seconds ahead, you won’t have to look the hideous bodywork of the bloated Panamera from your better-looking CTS-V.

I think its awome how cadillac just a year ago wasnt thought of as a benchmark for anything and now sets the benchmark for even porche, which in my opinion for the pricetag, id still rather have the ctsv. its hotter and less expensive. Deff still the benchmark. this porshe………..dont really care about. it could do the track in a minute……….still dont care.

I’m sure the extra $50K you put in your pocket will EASILY justify losing three seconds on the ‘Ring…

I wonder how the next M5 will do…

they both suck
they all suck
the king of the ring is…wait for it…ford transit van 150 diesel bhp with added duck tape for improved aero.

bear with me on this one, i´m on to something here…
a transit van in the hands of a capable driver can post a time of ten minutes.
this cars are posting eight.
so…if my math serves me right, if i get a transit van, fit it with some of those fancy tires, the fancy carbon brakes, and tune it to about the same horsepower as these 2 cars…. well, new production car record…6 minutes and 30 seconds.

i’m headed for the market first thing in the morning to se if some gippo wants to sell me his

if you put 60k into the cts-v aftermarket, it would blow the panamera away.

It’s 2 X the money and 10 X the ugliness. Just more FACT.

“I’m surprised the Porsche was just barely faster. The CTS-V was an automatic driven by an engineer.”

And most times in high end automatics will beat manuals.

That’s even more amazing considering there isn’t an Automatic-transmissioned CTS-V available.

The only amazing whith these news is your reaction… I mean, Panamera is more than faster. Like well bulit with better space and probably better quality. It’s upscale compared to the Cts-v but you’re still so pissed that it beat caddy’s time…

floor_it, the CTS-V 2009 offers both manual and automatic.

So as a fan of the CTS-V, I’m not gonna pout and whine about it possibly being beaten. The Porsche is a fine car, just massively ugly in the back. It costs twice as much and has exit advantages with AWD.

So this would be the one to beat it. Good job Porsche if it happened officially. Bring on the 550 hp Turbo S. Has the RS6 run a time?

The CTS-V is widely available with the automatic actually, they easily outsell the stick CTS-V. The 1st gen V just wasn’t available with an automatic. An automatic it is but it one helluva transmission. From what i’ve read the stick is as rare as the new M5 with a stick, the manumatic boxes just sell much more

The CTS-V lap was driven by John Heinricy, assistant chief engineer of the Corvette and Director of GM Performance. Engineer, yes, but he’s also a successful race driver. Retired last year though. Grats to the Panamera, but with the way manufacturers have been using the track, I would expect the record to be broken eventually.

Funny thing is, the CTS can easily pick up about 1-1.5 seconds on a course as big as the ring. Maybe Cadillac should offer that option, and you will still be 45k under the porshe. I hope gm goes back out there and kicks their ass, if this claim is official.

I meant to say with the ceramic brakes

gcorvette987,
It’s easy to pick up seconds in a track that big when you’re a newbie that commit mistakes, but when you are satisfied with your time, and, if you are a pilot, that means you made virtually 0 mistakes, it’s almost impossible to do so without modding the vehicle.

Another thing, Panamera is better in every other aspect but the rear end look.

Good luck with the Porsche. Hope you like your mechanic. The CTS-V will be like every other GM vehicle. It will be the world standard for quality, reliability and dependibility. Drive it for many hundreds of thousands of miles and NEVER have a problem with it. This German pile of sh1t will see the scrapheap by the time the warranty is expired.

Be American. Buy American. Buy GM.

I find it funny that it takes more than DOUBLE the money, and arguably the best Nurburgring driver in the world, to only beat the CTS-V by a measely 3 seconds. Knowing Porsche, they probably ran with R-compound tires on that run too, like they usually do, versus the stock PS2 street tires the CTS-V ran with.

Do the math: the Panamera Turbo with ONLY performance options costs $147k. The CTS-V that was run on the Nurburgring costs $61k.

Porsche should be embarrassed.

People, that money is not only performance cash, realize that please.

GM/Cadillac would make their CTS-V more expensive if they could but nobody would pay as much as for a Porsche.

Congrats, it’s still ugly as hell.

I’m disappointed by the Panamera. It’s not terribly pretty, and it costs this much to beat the CTS-V? No, I’m sorry but that’s not working for me.

It STILL doesnt make it ANY BETTER LOOKING…..UGLIEST PORSCHE TO COME OUT OF THE FACTORY SINCE THE 914..