Yes! Let the high-performance war begin!

I CANT WAIT! Viva la Stutgart!

woo hoo!!!

Predictions

-Twin turbo mid engine V10
-Carbon Fiber monocoque (ALOT lighter than veyron
-VTG (Variable Turbine Geometry) like the 997T’s
-7 Speed transmission

Now before some of you start doubting that a twin turbo 10 cyclinder can perform like a quad turbo 16 cyclinder remember this…
It’ll come from the same company who make the most 6 cyclinder engines in the world. Now imagine the potential. Even if they keep the Carrera GT engine, slap on a couple turbos, and retune it.

Keep this in mind…

Carrera GT curb weight: 3043 lbs
Bugatti Veryon curb weight: 4162 lbs

Porsche is BIG on weight-saving. So picture their next car having “almost” as much power as the Bugatti, yet being almost 1,000lbs lighter. That’s a huge difference.

These cars are all interrelated through Volkswagen. So don’t expect any toes to be stepped on.

Madcapp…that is definately not true. Porsche Just Acquired and extra percentage of VW (25% total now I believe). Bugatti is owned by VW. Little by little Porsche might be buying and controlling more of VW, so think about it.

#5, I agree, however, by the time this car comes out, the Bugatti run will be complete. Furthermore, the speculation is that the next big Bugatti will be an extra high end sedan which wouldn’t compete with the Porsche.

Also, Porsche has a controlling stake in VW, and therefore, I would hope, the focus will still be on Porsche, and not Bugatti.

VW has no stake in Porsche, in fact its the otherway around. Porsche would not build this car if they couldnt beat the Veyron. Im going to agree with Andre, much lighter and similar power. Though i think it wil need to be awd to match the acceleration numbers.

How high will the HP race go? When can we expect 10,000HP streetable super cars?

“VW has no stake in Porsche, in fact its the otherway around. Porsche would not build this car if they couldnt beat the Veyron. Im going to agree with Andre, much lighter and similar power. Though i think it wil need to be awd to match the acceleration numbers.

Comment by ss”

Ah! Forgot to add AWD to my list of predictions. I knew I was forgetting something.

first of all I hope the Porsche wont relly on 8 radiators that all add weight. Secondly I REALLY hope that their next supercar will be homogulated for racing. I want to see something similar to Porsches of lemans 1996 to 1998… Theres just more magic to such cars knowing that they are racebred, tried and tested, beaten, and survived it.

my worst fear is that porsche will do with the gt1 what ferrari did with the enzo and the FXX, I want this thing cheap and road legal!!!

Walter-
“It will share many components and design elements with the car, as well as technology from the automaker’s forthcoming Le Mans competitor.”

Sounds like you should be happy! and i agree, there is something diff about knowing the car you are driving was devloped to go racing. IE: GT3 RS

The Veyron is nothing more than a fashion accessory!!! PORSCHE- THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE BABY!!! Yeah, the Veyron is fast but it’s fast with 4 turbos, 16 cylinders, 8 intercoolers and what have you, and it took what? 7 years to get ready? and it almost didnt make production at all??? Leave it to Porsche, this thing is gonna be SICK!!!! Make it 0-60 in 2.5sec, Ultima GTR times!! This thing will break records, it’ll give the Koenigessec a run for its money!! I want to see it on Top Gear w/ Clarkson! =)

to say that the buggati is less of a car because it use 4 turbos, 16 cylinders, 8 intercoolers and took 7 years to build is completly ignorant. its the 1st of its kind. never has there been such a high performance street car. its not something you just slap together with some stuff out of your parts bin. Next thing your going to say is that its not as good because it needs 4 tires……the Veyron is an amazing machine that desearves the respect of everyone. with that said….i hope Porsche destroys it!

I hopw the Blue Devil Corvette eats all of those alive!

ss: no, it *is* less of a car because it relies on so many excessive stuff to reach that kind of performance. There are other ways of making a car reach the same performance without all the “fluff”.

aaaah there he is…it took ya awhile anonymous…….the STINGRAY would be lucky to even be in the same sentence as any Porsche

you cant say that its “excessive stuff” there is no other road car to compare it to! The thing has the performance of a F1 car…what do they cost about 40mil a peice…and they have much much much more “fluff”. If anything i say the Buggati is a very efficent engine…it has the nearly the same displacement as a Viper but makes double the horsepower.

The Veyron doesn’t have the performance of an F1 car. It’s accelleration is close (note that it still was over a second behind a slower A1 GP car in the 0-100-0 contest, and I’m sure A1s aren’t as fast as F1s, but it’s also probably true that most of the A1’s gain over the Veyron was in breaking), and while it’s steering and grip and braking are good, they’re nothing remotely close to an F1 car.
I also wouldn’t call it’s engine efficient, just because it’s HP/L is more than a Viper’s rather beligerant displacement > technology approach. They Veyron is just an advanced powerplant that’s giant, whereas the Viper is rather unadvanced. Not to mean any disrespect to the viper, because simple and low tech can be fun (and cheap to fix), and no disrespect to the Veyron either, as it’s a beautiful piece of engineering (though I wouldn’t call it a pretty car).
I hope porsche beat the Veyron with better aero and less weight, as I, personally, value that approach more than the “throw more cylinders and turbos” at it approach that Bugatti took. And I’m sure the Porsche will look better, and thus be a better subject for the posters on the walls in bedrooms of adolescents.

I read a while ago, a VW representative said that Veyron’s engine theoretically produces 3000 HP… the rest of the difference is lost either in unburnt fuel, or heat VIA all those intercoolers and radiators.

I dont think Porsche would build this car if they dont think they can raise the bar above anything thats on the road. Im am sure these same conversations were had when the Ferrari F40 and the Porsche 959 and the McLaren F1 and the F50 and all those other SUPERcars were released. i can remember reading about the Enzo and ppl saying nothing will ever eclipse it…the best part of being a car enthusiast is the scene is always changing and evolving and there is always something faster or some new technology…then a few years later something even faster! i think the Veyron was the 1st shot of a war that is going to show us some amazing cars…and like you said peter..plenty of new Poster cars!

Veyron is luxury car. Its weight is perfectly understandable

Having 16 cylinders, 4 turbos, AWD, MIGHT make it less of a car. Sixteen cylinders + 4 turbos = More weight & massive turbo lag. AWD will hinder your top end performance, and that’s just a well know fact when comparing it to RWD.
Just for the record…

-1994 Mclaren F1-

Engine Type : Naturally aspirated V12
Engine Size : 6064 cc
Horsepower : 627 bhp
Torque : 649 Nm (479 lb.ft)
Max. Speed : 356 km/h (243 mph)
0-60 mph : 3.1 sec
0-100 mph : 6.3 sec
1/4 mile : 11.1 sec @ 138 mph
Weight : 1138 kg (2500 lb)
Price : $1,000,000

-2006 Bugatti Veyron-

Engine Type : Quad-Turbocharged W16
Engine Size : 7993 cc
Horsepower : 1001 bhp
Torque : 923 Nm (??? lb.ft)
Max. Speed : 406 km/h (253 mph)
0-60 mph : 2.9 sec
0-100 mph : 6.0 sec
1/4 mile : 10.8 sec @ 140 mph
Weight : 1950 kg (4300 lb)
Price : $1,250,000

Now if you notice the Bugatti IS slightly faster than the now 12 year old car. Please put into consideration that the Bugatti also has 374HP more, 4 more cylinders, 4 turbos, 202lbs more of torque.

Mclaren Cars/BMW > Bugatti/VW …

Both great cars, I’ll take an F1 please.

BTW…my point to that last point is…
More isn’t always better/Bigger isn’t always better

Take the F1. That’s fine, cause I’ll take a Ferrari over a BWW McLaren or a Bugatti.

By the way, when will they come out with a street legal 10,000 hp car? I just found a calculator on the internet. If a car had 10,000hp, it could do like over 700mph. No way the police will get you, not even using a helicopter!!

Hm… and I thought the HP race was over…

Stop be negative about the Veyron, y’all would kill somebody 4 a ride in it!
Porsche is for old people who plays golf and chess…

Yes, for old people who play golf, because the trunk in those cars is just so big . . . .

“Porsche is for old people who plays golf and chess…”

How did you come to that conclusion??

“Porsche is for old people who plays golf and chess…”
you make it obvious you have never driven in a Porsche with a competent driver behind the wheel. Not only are they some of the best performing cars out there they are also one of the most reliable, put out surprisingly low emissions (i think the Turbo is considered a low emissions vehicle) and even get decant gas mileage if you keep your foot out of it.

“Porsche is for old people who plays golf and chess…”
Yeah, you apparently don’t know what you’re talking about.

This new Porsche should be pretty awesome. I hope it is pretty streetable, and I REALLY hope it beats the upcoming Ferrari supercar (I think it’s code-named “Nuovo Enzo” at this stage…)

I don’t know if it will have turbos, but it would be pretty cool. The AWD thing is a tossup, because it AWD hardware weighs a ton. With a mid-engine configuration and giant rear tires, RWD will be fine, and much lighter. I hope they don’t get caught in the race for highest top speed and just make it an amazingly well-handling supercar (with amazing acceleration and top speed anyway). I’d be happy if it tops out at 220 or 230. It’ll beat a Veyron in anything but a 5 mile straight drag.

“Porsche is for old people who plays golf and chess…”

That’s why some like myself prefer the vette or Cadillac because we have better things to do…

like drive.

That’s why some like myself prefer the vette or Cadillac because we have better things to do…
like drive…all the way back to the service deparment…..

“That’s why some like myself prefer the vette or Cadillac because we have better things to do…
like drive…all the way back to the service deparment…..

Comment by ss”

LoL!!!

Anonymous, you’ve never riden in a Porsche…I work at a Porsche dealership, and I could tell you. The Base Boxster is a more rewarding car to drive than the vette, and I HAVE driven a C6(not Z06) before.
Caddilac? Are you serious? Which one, the boring CTSv’s or their top of the line flop, the XLR???
Ignorance is bliss.

i have been a Porschephile since my dad got his 944 when i was 1yr old (43k orignal miles and in showroom condition) i love when ppl try to put down Porsche, once im done with them the see the light…

Porsche is the ultimate brand.

It had to happen. Good luck to them.

ok! ive now read all the messages above and have come to the conclusion that all of you like different cars. now for just 1 sec can we think about this… if bugatti built the car (no matter how long it took or how many cylinders it has or turbos) is it not a good car? same with porsche and ferrari et al. if someone walked up to me and said “do you want a bugatti veyron fo r free” ummmmm yes!!! if they said “do you want a basic bmw 318i for free” ummmmm yes!!! now i am a MAD car fanatic and love all premium brands and yes we all compare one car to another but what if we didn’t and admired a car for what is is. ok now 1 question if someone was going to give you 4 cars what would they be???

just check out http://www.9ff.de; 9ff is a german tuner for porsche cars – these guys offer a modification for the carrera gt, which boosts the engine up to over 900 horsepower – available today…

I think all that horsepower will be useless if the car is difficult to drive like the Carrera GT with a notoriously fickle clutch. You will need technology to keep the weight down plus more adjustability so that you will always have a safety net. Also worth mentioning is that although the Mclaren F1 reached that lofty 240mph speed, the drivers always commented that the car felt dangerously light at that speed. So I totally agree with the Pirelli tire slogan “Power is nothing without control”

#40, you could put a turbo that adds an insane amount of horsepower, but no only do you run the risk of destroying the engine, but the acceleration would be slow because of a tremendous amount of jet lag. Also add in the fact that such a high horsepower turbo’ed engine would have to be kept under tremendous pressure for it to work, and then you will have yourself as very very expensive bomb.

That is why you see the Bugatti with so many turbochargers. Because they didn’t want this huge blower that would take forever to get to speed. So instead it took them seven years to engineer a way to link together four smaller and more efficient turbochargers.

I want 10,000 HP car with no turbo lag. That kind of power, your car will easily do 700mph. There’s no way, the police will catch you with that kind of technology. Who’s with me on this? Sign a petition to Porsche!!

Quote Toy Yoda: “That kind of power, your car will easily do 700mph. There’s no way, the police will catch you with that kind of technology”

a slight bump in the road might do the trick of stopping you…. LOL

imagine if chevy took the z06 ( $ 70,000 ) and put all the engineering and money they had in to it. you’d have the fastest car ever. they wont do it because they know its pointless ( it’s not like ferrari or porsche make profits from their supercars. they would rather make an affordable car that can compete with them oooooohh and unlike those supercars in a zo6 u need driving skills no fancy computers to safe u. much more enjoyable.

All this talk about the competition between the Bugatti Veyron and Porsche Carrera GT is cracking me up! It’s sort of like brother competing with sister. The Bugatti Veyron is the brain child of Dr. Ferdinand Piech, the grandson of one Dr. Ferdinand Porsche. Piech was CEO at Volkswagen (who own Bugatti) when he insisted that VW make the Veyron. It’s all in the family! Y’all do your homework now, will ya!
Tony

Blood is thicker then water If I was ferdinand porsche then I would help Porsche any day rather then bugatti

Did we forgot that the veyron will get to 200mph from a stand still quicker than a McLaren F1 will do it starting at 120mph?

That car is fast on a whole new level and cars will just keep getting better.

Stop arguing about which supercar is best. You buy a supercar because it does something to you not because of some silly spec sheet. They’re all very fast.

I dont think so!
Why?
I dont KNOW…

“Having 16 cylinders, 4 turbos, AWD, MIGHT make it less of a car. Sixteen cylinders + 4 turbos = More weight & massive turbo lag. AWD will hinder your top end performance, and that’s just a well know fact when comparing it to RWD.
Just for the record…

-1994 Mclaren F1-

Engine Type : Naturally aspirated V12
Engine Size : 6064 cc
Horsepower : 627 bhp
Torque : 649 Nm (479 lb.ft)
Max. Speed : 356 km/h (243 mph)
0-60 mph : 3.1 sec
0-100 mph : 6.3 sec
1/4 mile : 11.1 sec @ 138 mph
Weight : 1138 kg (2500 lb)
Price : $1,000,000

-2006 Bugatti Veyron-

Engine Type : Quad-Turbocharged W16
Engine Size : 7993 cc
Horsepower : 1001 bhp
Torque : 923 Nm (??? lb.ft)
Max. Speed : 406 km/h (253 mph)
0-60 mph : 2.9 sec
0-100 mph : 6.0 sec
1/4 mile : 10.8 sec @ 140 mph
Weight : 1950 kg (4300 lb)
Price : $1,250,000

Now if you notice the Bugatti IS slightly faster than the now 12 year old car. Please put into consideration that the Bugatti also has 374HP more, 4 more cylinders, 4 turbos, 202lbs more of torque.

Mclaren Cars/BMW > Bugatti/VW …

Both great cars, I’ll take an F1 please.

Comment by Andre Neves, posted on June29 at 12:07 pm”

And if you knew anything about physics and aerodynamics you would know that drag on a car increases exponentially and that it requires a hell of a lot more power for each extra km/h or mph particularly at speeds over 150mph (240km/h). For the final 30km/h to get up to 400km/h it requires an extra 8hp/km ie 240hp more horsepower to get from 370km/h to 400km/h. This is the reason why the Veyron has all the extra bits and pieces… weight is not such a big issue… power and aerodynamics are at that speed.