I am sorry if I came off as saying the G6 GXP was some kind of supercar. I was simply pointing out the styling and how I would rather that than the styling of the Holden cars. Besides which the long running news is that the to speed the platform to market, their would only be minor changes, new grills being the big thing with a few redesign to follow a couple of years later.

At any rate you should maybe look up some pics of the G6 GXP-R, a full race converted G6 GXP. I love it, though I imagine you won’t, and shows me what the G6 can really be like. This is what I’m hoping for in the Alpha-plat G6.

As for performance, Did you amp up your suspension? More power is great but cars in that class and type get more from handling.. being FF and all.

As a G6 owner, trust me, I was keeping a close eye on the G6 GXP. It’s possibly the biggest disappointment I’ve seen from GM amongst a lot of AWESOME new models I’ve seen this past year or two. A factory-ricer kit and no performance gain my much more attractive GTP do NOT a top-tier performance car make.

It’ll be funny to see what sort of premium Pontiac dealers is going to put on the GXP, especially when only my $150 intake edges my “obsolete” GTP above the GXP in performance, lol!

I may LOVE the G8, Camaro, Alpha platform, Aura XR, etc. But I will call a dud when I see a dud.

I don’t trust the “free market” to manage the supply of anything people NEED. I think only the gov’t should keep credit-type info, and should issue credit scores.

George W. is a well-off white guy, and he’ll be replaced by
a well-off white guy.
And we’ll be bent over by the oil companies

Everyone has soldier buddies. I match your soldier buddies and raise you one secret service…tsk…

Question are you actually looking at these cars are just running on to get a response? The G6 GXP looks great to me. Your tastes differ and I can respect that but the way you choose to expound that difference makes me wonder what it is you really consider good design.

Random Jerk – What preceded the DE-regulation? What forced the power companies to immediately raise costs upon DE-regulation? What prevented the power companies from competitively building new power stations for decades? Right, unfair regulation, years of it. DE-regulation did not cause any problems period. The problems existed long before DE-regulation occured.

Lotusfire – The problem with libs such as youself is your feel good ‘why can’t we all just get along’ mentality. The world is not so simple. Attitudes such as yours and Jimmy Carter’s, and Neville Chamberlin’s breed wars. Listening to you, one might think Iraq was such a pleasent place void of all evil and attrocities… that is until “we” arrived. Religion never existed there until now? I can’t help you. You keep watching CNN and Chris Mathews and the rest who claim civil war, I’ll keep watching my varied sources of news who claim otherwise including my soldier buddies who’ve been there. It’s tough to accomplish anything with a gaggle of hippie libs crying failure across the news networks.

As a Chevy it wouldn’t as much of a stretch. But GM has an overall US language of more flow than block. Even their trucks are smoother than most, I think only Toyota is deliberately smoother. Dropping Holdens in as Pontiacs without a full redesign makes for cars that will look out of place next to the rest of the lineup which will further repel buyers regardless of the car’s specs.

If it doesn’t look like a Pontiac, then Pontiac fans may be put off by it or worse write it off altogether on sight.

I really like the look of current Pontiacs and would be sorely put off if Holdens with Pontiac badges shipped.

The twin kidney grill is not likely to go much of anywhere. It’s part of their design lexicon but they do have alternatives in the same lexicon. But the grill itself looks fine, even cool, when properly executed on a car that it works with. The G6 looks good with such a grill. But not every Pontiac looks completely right with it. The G8 being a good example.

That said, the designers at any automaker have more than just you to please. The G8 looks okay but not like a Pontiac… but a Chrysler 300 wanna-be. The smoother leaner lines of previous Pontiacs, I’m thinking of the Bonneville (without the God-awful cladding) as the progenitor of the new look for Pontiac, lend a classier better aging look. The G6 takes that and makes it a bit younger looker The G6 GXP goes for flare that goes a long way to pointing Pontiac out for the performance focus division.

GM needs to back away for the cookie cutter look that hurt GM in the past. They have started to establish very good and distinct looks for each division, like it or lump it, and they should stick with it.

Let Holden keep their look and let Pontiac keep their’s.

The Holden concept photo shown looks great. Put a Pontiac grill on it, and it will look like crap.

GM: kill that grill!!! It’s done. Cooked. Finished. Move on to new styling for the grill. Pontiac shouldn’t be defined by a cheesy looking grill, so let it go!

This car on the other hand looks like something which has no design flair and just designed to fill a gap rather then actually compete on the design front against the Alfa romeo and Audi’s. GM has lost its marble because why anyone would want a mid size RWD is beyond me. For this sector it will be heavy and less fuel efficient then the Opel vectra etc… Personally I would have used the epsilom 2 platform with four wheel drive saving a load of cash on design and development.

F/econ: Power loss has very little to do with transfer between the transmission and the diff. However, the same bracing used for performance cars corrects that. a simple brace between the Tranny and diff, very common on modern performance cars… with IRS (obviously the MUSTANG does not have this can’t and use it). This isolates the tranny and diff making them react as one system, much like the outdrives from the diff to the driven wheels. The power loss is negated and performance is improved.

Going further the biggest problem will always be the tranny itself. The mere fact that it is there will always be the biggest hurdle to good f/econ. the most efficient engine will be done in by poor shifting and over stiff transmissions. This is one reason why electric motors are so appealing. Ultimately they don’t need a tranny to do their job. But until on-board power storage and/or generation improves adequately, that is still a ways off. Given that, most modern trannies even those made for or by Detroit are more than up to the tasks of performance and efficiency.

This will be a great car with a range of useful and efficient engine and transmission options. But the pictured car above is a Holden, I think the new Commodore, and NOT a rendering of an Alpha-platform car. I could be wrong though and it is an Alpha-plat prototype rendering.

Anyway I’m looking forward to it. I like smaller cars, I think. They’re just more fun.

Does anyone here actually READ the articles?