make the scirocco only in AWD

Why wouldn’t this be a hit in the US…? There is a huge market for this car in America for anyone between the age of 18-25.

I agree with sampson. AWD would make this car a big hit considering only a few r32 (5,000) will be sold.

I for one would jump all over this if it was awd.

There is still hope.

They need to make it a more traditonal looking coupe, it can still be a hatch back and not look so much like a GTI, Im thinking something like an RSX

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It’s silly for VW to think they are canibalizing sales of GTI with Scirocco – they’re still getting a sale! Better off than no sale at all. Just bring it, and see what happens.

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I have a vision, post 2010 automobiles armed with hybrid powertrains and fake indestructible polymer paneling rule the NOPI circuits

“The Scirocco will have the same engine, chassis, and suspension as the GTI. ”

What’s the point?

It damn well better.

So what? The Scirocco was forced to compete with its GolfGTI counterparts in the early 80s? Its the same world, same Dinner Table

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I’m in total agreeance with sampson and c4menace… If this was AWD it would differentiate it just enough from the GTI. It looks more agressive anyway, so make it more agressive with AWD. Price it between the GTI and the R32. Also the R32 is limited, so this could be a full run available in higher quantities (much like the WRX or STI)… That would make a LOT of sense.

See it helps just to talk it out… We solved your problem VW… Just run make it AWD…period.

Golf for luxury
Scirocco for performance

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^^^ Ok if the Golf is luxury and Sirocco is performance what is the GTI then. And really whats the point of putting the same engine and suspension. An aftermarket suspension and ECU upgrade on a GTI would match the performance….I’ll pass.

Smart move. They need new product.

Same Chassis, same suspension, same engine, same car….just because the Scirocco well have a sportier shape doesn’t mean it won’t be the same thing has a GTI once you get behind the wheel. Like I said before make this a traditional style coupe and add AWD there are not any mid priced (19,000-27,000) all wheel drive coupes out there.

FINALLY! Evidence someone is awake at LLN and cleaning up the forums!!! Took you long enough.

AWD would be a nice touch, and set it apart from the GTI. It would be a nice move, but not cost effective. Adding AWD to this ride would bring it’s price tag inline with R32.

This car is a winner from the get-go. If it hits the States, it will sell like hotcakes.

I don’t mind the “cleanliness” of this thread … just be vigilant and consistent.

Impulsive is correct… consistency is key. Let’s hope the amount of site content isn’t compromised by the increased level of policing.

Ironpony42,

Adding AWD could be the most cost effective way for VW to make this car a success. They already have ALL the parts, not much has to be done. It’s not like they have to build an AWD sysytem from scratch.

From there they have 2 options: make this cheaper than the R32 or make it more expensive

If they want it to be cheaper they don’t need all the amenities that the R32 provides such as: “A lush leather interior ” ” a truly luxurious feel” “supremely comfortable leather sport seats, padded leather door panels, soft materials wherever your elbows touch, and a plush finish overall. Conveniences such as automatic climate control, a sophisticated sound system, and bixenon headlights ”

or if they want it to be a price point higher than the R32 they could include all that stuff…

I think either way it could be good for VW, but I hope they go for the cheaper route.

Fromes,

An AWD coupe would be awesome, but I think it’s too late in the game.

Well… all wheel drive or rear wheel drive. One or the other. In the end, all that matters is if the car lives up to the particular hype surrounding it. If it’s touted as a good compact economy car, then it should be one. If it’s touted as being a gas-electric gas miser, then it should get good mileage. If it’s touted as being a cool Volkswagen sportscar…. then it had better drive like one and have power like one. I’ll include power-induced oversteer in that argument.

“This car is a winner from the get-go. If it hits the States, it will sell like hotcakes.”
Comment by F451, posted on May2 at 8:58 pm

Remember the Corado? I’d like to hold out hope but It may not pan out quite as desired. Remember that strong competitors such as the WRX and the EVO are still out there, and most folks don’t recall how bad-@$$ the Scirocco was and how lame it became over time. A few storng showing in the WRC should help that though. VW typically does well when pushed.

If the Scirocco is built there will not be an R32, otherwise there will be a huge marketing cross-up and sales will suffer for both.

Blakkarr…

not true, there’s already plenty of ways around a “cross up”. Chauncy described a perfect way around it.

What Chauncy describes is an Audi. The R32 is a coupe, two-door golf, with AWD. To me, VW would be running a huge risk to build two such machines next to each other. However IF the Scirocco were AWD while the R32 Rabbit remained FWD the differences would be strong enough to perhaps justify them, but to make the case better there should be NO R32. The GTI is good enough without endangering the Scirocco.

This is the same kind of thing that killed the Acura RSX/Integra. The Civic Si became strong enough to make the extra cost of the RSX a deal breaker at a lower cost, along with slow sales of the RSX. The R32 and the Scirocco have the same problem. Both are truly too close to exist well simultaneously and so it will come down to one or the other but not both.

i am doubtful that this car will make it to the US. the 20-25k sport compact is one of the most competative segments in the US. to be competative, it would have to make at least 260 hp and be lighter and lower than the GTI. VW would be better off selling a lighter and more powerful GTI than to build a whole new model.

if i were running VW, i would kill this car now and put the money into the next gen GTI. there are few to no examples of really successful stand alone fwd sporty cars and dozens of attempts. none of which have stood the test of time.

5 years from now, the small rwd cars will be making the $28k sirocos look stupid.

The R32 is limited run vehicle. The scirocco could be a full scale production. Have all the amenities the R32 provides and more and they could sell it for more Or it could be somewhat stripped down and they could sell it for less than the R32. There are 2 spots for them to market towards.

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