YEAHHHH MANUAL! BOUT TIME YOU LISTENED TO ME WHINING VWAG

I have a burning in my loins now.

Impressive, but still not my cup of tea.

and no Dr. Fill, it’s not gonorhea.

“Golf R will be known as the GTI-R in the U.S.”

Told ya, maybe they do listen to these message boards, although this was a common sense move to me.

I liked the R32 until I drove one, too front heavy, weak excelaration.. I like the new recipe better, the handling will be awesome

the thing will still weigh over 3200 lbs. learn to drop some weight and itll compete(finally)

By “hotter” they mean it will catch on fire in typical Nazi car fashion. Look at the R8 for example. VW’s are such sh1tboxes, who cares if they’re fast if they never run. it is unAmerican to drive an import.

GM. An American Revolution

wish they would do this treatment to the Passat. The VR6 is a great engine but dropping the weight would be even better and teh reg 2.0 is OK for everyday use but not as fun. Also DSG or manual would make it sportier.

So VW finally can match Chevy Cobalt SS speeds…for twice the price. The GTI was already more expensive and slower. Now this will be even more expensive than the overpriced GTI just to match Cobalt SS performance. And a Cobalt SS gets 30mpg.

Sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It’s “unAmerican” to love GM as much as NMOFGM!!

FORD FTW!!

Need more oil for GM,
If vw’s are **** boxes, Gm’s are boxes mixed with diarrhea, sh!t, and piss!!!

Sounds pretty good so far.

jake, this board and common sense don’t often meet…i’m guessing it was just a coincidence

@BIG-KC: Cobalt SS coupe starts at MSRP $23,525. The GTI two-door starts at MSRP $23,230. Do you think the GTI-R will cost TWICE as much? Economy for the two-door is listed at 21/31. The dealbreaker for me is that the Cobalt looks like a Cavalier, which was also ugly. You can keep that piece of sh!t.

I’m all for buying American, if they ever start making something I want to buy. Bringing the Caprice back would be a great start, since I missed out on the G8 GXP.

Sounds sweet! Not keep it reasonably priced and offer 4 doors for me.

Jugger is right on the mark…I saw a black G8 GXP and almost cried yesterday…The GTI-R is the same car as the Audi TTS, only 20K cheaper a Winner

This will be the most perfect combination of speed and efficiency. VW is listening to the masses and will make the 2.0T even more perfect than what it already is. I cant wait to drive this car, I agree about the R32. Its way too nose heavy and is pretty sluggish. Hopefully this will pick up where the R32 left off.

I love it when NMOFGM trades his white hood for Jewish skull cap and starts bashing Nazis . You go feigele!

-By “hotter” they mean it will catch on fire in typical Nazi car fashion. Look at the R8 for example-

That was a test mule, you inbred shi!t. Fail again. Thats right, time to go to the corner and touch yourself once again like your uncle used to…

FORD – We dont need handouts. FORD > Goverment Money

Sounds like they’re trying to make a North American version of the Scirocco R, since they’re not introducing it here and they got such good feedback……….

This new GTI-R would sound like a jack of trades, IMO, except for its’ rather huge curb weight. But even with that, I would still buy one.

@NMOFGM

*double facepalm*

if NMFOGM wasnt such an obvious pimply 12yo boy, one should really be worried about his nazi-like, narrowminded point of views…

Sex!

I like how NMOFGM makes one stupid unthought-out comment and then never can come back with anything to back up his thoughts! Do us all a favor NMOFGM quit posting comments because everytime you do it makes look dumber each time.

A4, have you been drinking today?!

Buy a Cobalt SS.

GM AN American Revolution

i don’t see the point in making an economy car less practical, more expensive, and still not quite fast enough to be anything fancy. Those are impressive performance numbers for what it is, but in the end its just a peppy economy car.

honk if you want NMOFGM out!

I am ecstatic right now. I can finally stop looking for my next car because this is the hands down winner. Ford missed its chance to bring over the Focus RS. The Mustang is awesome (2011 even better), but I need a more practical car. This car is perfect. Do we know is a four door version will be available? The R32 back seat was fine, so it is not a deal breaker for me. My Audi A6 will be replaced by a GTI-R. NICE!

@chevymanc6

From my viewpoint, this is serving a much-needed niche for VW. The Golf is a good-looking hatch with nice interior. It’s not a Mustang and isn’t trying to be. There are people like me (with 4 doors on it mind you) who want a smaller car, but also want more power than the 200hp TDI. This model gives us that- a little more power and AWD. Like I said, for me it depends on price and the extra doors.

I’m sure that there will be no shortage of juveniles and morons stumbling over themselves to buy this joke of a car.

Vw make’s the sportiest vehicles ever in the entire world, with the best engineering in mind, unlike the Chevy Cobalt SS which took engineers 5 minutes to design. Which is unreliable, unsafe, and over priced and and SLOW.
VW has been known for it’s sporty vehicles while having best fuel economy, that will not break down every 5000 miles.
Buy Imports, An Import Revolution.

@ howsmydriving- Nice contribution. Now get lost.

I like it.

A lot.

But price will be an issue for me. If they price the GTI-R at the same level as the R32, then I’ll just stay with a regular GTI. But if I can get a GTI-R at 2-4k more than a stock GTI, then I’m a potential buyer.

I wish.
cocojoe, the TTS isn’t actually that poorly priced. It is priced around $45k which seems maybe a little steep, but this will probably be $30-35k and Audi could easily be douchebags and ask for $50k.

For the price of the TTS however you can have a 330 hp S4…. sooo I’d be much happier with that.

ok so in totally unrelated news did everyone see the hyundai sonata coupe? HOLY SH!t niiiice

http://www.hankyung.com/board/view.php?id=gallery_home&no=6642&ch=auto

@ krautnina
hyundai used to make horrible cars but WOWW hyundai has been doing a super good job with their new cars. I really like the sonata coupe. I like this even more than a genesis coupe. I look forward to a production version of this soon.

Two things…

1) Cobalt SS is a pile. It is a $15,000 Cobalt with a turbo. A car needs A LOT more than a good 0-60 to be fast. Anything from VW drives nicer than a Cobalt, SS or not. They spent $10k on the performance and NOTHING on the rest of the car. Oh, they gave it a boost gauge on the A-pilar. It is extremely unrefined and it best suited for 16 year olds who only care about stoplight dragging. For the rest of us, the GTI or in this case GTI-R make a much better, ADULT, proposition.
2) The GTI-R will be a nice ride. This is quite a car for $32k or so. That is the price of a decently equipped A3 or a Volvo C30. This car will blow both of those away seeing as the “regular” GTI already outperforms both. It is a tad slower than an STI or EVO but those cars still have cloth seats w/o heaters, no moonroof, and none of the other niceties of the VW. Not to mention 3 years free maintenance.

Also, I agree with A4, I saw a new (B8) S4 today and it was gorgeous. Granted a TT-S is a nice ride also but I like to share the wealth and bring a few friends along. The S4 is my favorite “practical / realistic” car on the market right now.

Side note…Hyundai makes decent “looking” cars. The interiors are still plastic as can be and their fit and finish could use some work. They are still crappy Hyundais of yore but in new wrappers.

the TT-S is a “me ” car, not a “we” car. The new S4 is very nice, but im selfish i hate haulin the friends around. But if i did wanna haul the friends I would have this GTI-R or fork over the extra cash for the much nicer S4. As for the cobalt… Who gives a FCUK how fast it is, its still a POS. have you actually sat in one? Tornado is right, its for kids who wanna do stop light drag but if you were gonna take it on a decent lengthy drive You’d regret it. Its uncomfy, feels cheap , and lets face it, owning a base GTI let alone the GTI-R pulls alot more clout than tellin people you own a cobalt SS

Tornado- and if someone has already thrown this out there I apologize- but didn’t the Cobalt set some kind of ‘Ring record for its class? So before you call it a “pile” that can’t handle maybe you should check your facts.

Ignore NMOFGM, though he’s an icon already…
… fu(k that, keep it coming NMOFGM.

Sweet little rabbit btw!

I think everyone here agrees on the Cobalt. This is a perfect example of how not to make a small performance car. GM is still lacking a competive small car(No, the Cruz is not it) I am a Ford/Toyota guy, but I want to see GM survive. I love Audi’s VW’s also, but every Audi I look at always ends up having a MRSP of over 50K. The new S4 is nice, but really is it worth 10k More then the already overpriced BMW 335i? Price wise it ends up being closer to a M3, and it is no match for that.

@johnnycanuck

Even if the Cobalt did set a good record for its’ type of class around the ‘Ring, nobody is gonna buy a car based on a pointless and somewhat stupid lap time. That snippet of info might impress little children and enthusiasts, but it won’t impress your average adult who might just want a lot more out of their car instead of just “fastest lap times”.

Another thing, I hate it when people compare cars due to lap times at the fking ‘Ring. It’s a pointless argument in and of itself, since there are many variables in setting up good lap times over there.

coco…were do u get an s4 being 10k more than a 335? the base 335 starts at 40k, and 43 for the AWD…the S4 starts at 45 with AWD standard… u might wanna check that out first

Stix, I personally didn’t make up the whole ‘Ring thing. It has become an entity unto itself whether by intention or otherwise. If you read this forum on a consistent basis you know I am not a GM fanboy but I will give credit where credit is due. The Cobalt SS is as strong and well built a piece as any Japanese or European counterpart whether you’re willing to concede that or not. I don’t usually say much on these VW threads because I respect the opinion of many on this forum who enjoy them although it’s probably the last marque I would personally be inclined to spend my after tax dollars on.

TornadoGTI – Correct hyundai still has their flaws but is improving at a very fast pace. I personally test drove a top of the range genesis 3.8 and the ride and build quality is not the best but greatly improved, at this rate of improvement, their cars will be top quality.

@johnnycanuck

I apologize if I gave off the wrong impression; however, I never claimed that you were a GM fanboy. And I did learn that the Cobalt SS Turbocharged also received positive reviews from a lot of automotive journalists, so I’ll also give credit where its’ due. It’s not a perfect car, but then again, nothing is. That applies to all cars regardless of nationality.

Even with all that said, I still stand by my point that anybody who compares cars based on Nurburgring lap times has absolutely no idea just how pointless of an argument that is. Again, I wasn’t referring to you as one of those people.

Driving an import is unAmerican. Time for people to wake up and realize this FACT!

Get a clue. Buy American. Buy GM. it is your obligation

Yeah everyone, listen to NMOFGM.. Buy GM, support Canadian and Mexican plant employees while the governing board reaps the benefits and runs the company into the ground again. Moron.

cocojoe – get your facts straight on pricing before you talk
tornadoGTI – I just saw a B8 S4 avant earlier today and almost died, if only the U.S. would get them. It’s the most practical car in it’s category.

GTI-R looks like it’s going to be a nice car. The R32 was a well put together piece, if not for it being uncompetitive performance-wise with Subaru and Mitsu. It’s a more upscale ride, though, for spoiled rich-kid boy racers and middle aged guys who want to look like they’re 20.

Very nice! I currently own a GTI MKV with all sorts of performance goodies on it. This will be nothing different! This is the same engine as is in the TTS, which performance tuners have gotten to 329 crank hp and 359 crank torque without switching out the turbo! That will be quick enough! Can’t wait!

They have also gotten up to 362 crank hp and 378 crank torque on 100 octane tune!!! WOO! This will be a nice tuner car!

Too bad in Texas we can only use 93 piss-water octane at most gas stations.

Scirocco looks better. They’re foolish not to have brought it here. Let’s face it, at 33k (average expected), + tax, with 5k down, financed for 48 months = you’ll be paying $631 for a GOLF! (Not including insurance).

That’s absurd.

For the Scirocco looks, that craziness could be justified.

Stix – Consider yourself luck. In MN, we’re limited to 92. My car is said to be good for about 20HP more if I could get my hands on 95. Would love to try.

I think California has it worst at just 91 octane for premium. Then again, the EPA loves to rape and dominate California for all it’s worth.

shaver:

not excelaration

acceleration

BIG KC…. you forgot… and it looks, feels, sounds and rides like dog shyt

@Drew Johnson- LLN seems to be one of the first breaking this news. A few other sites are still calling this a “maybe” rather than a “definite.” Is VW going to release something official any time soon?

TornadoGT Have you ever driven a Cobalt SS? Or have you ever driven an American car in the last 10 years? The Cobalt is not a piece of S@!t. In fact it wins every comparison test it is in.
The Cobalt SS and GTi are equally priced cars.
And about performance how can you say the Cobalt SS is about drag racing? It smoked an Evo X around a track along with a S200CR. Plus it smokes the Mazdaspeed3. You even said this $32K GTI-R is slower than a Evo.
You then say it has a bad interior. Again it isn’t bad. The GTI-R has a better interior but not $10 grand better.

Need more oil for Imports I have owned American and Jap cars for the last 10 years and the American cars have been as reliable. I always see crashes where imports get totaled and the American car is fine. And the Cobalt SS gets better MPG than the GTI so it will be much better than the GTI-R.

agree with A4, and Tornado. Krautninja, yeah these new hyundais are pretty nice, and if i were in the market and could afford to buy upgrades, i would love to have a genesis coupe @2.0T track, but stock only, probably not…. its not that impressive apart from the fact it is rwd and comes with a baby turbo, this sonata coupe…. looks nice, probably rides nice, and needs to in order to remain competetive, on the flipside, for your 15,000 to 20,000 would you want a car to mere LOOK nice, or do you want a car that IS nice?, id go for a Civic Si, Golf, or Golf TDI (even if i had to wait a year for a slighty used low mileage example)

Juggernaut, Idrinorbarsaku: ++ and ++

BIGKC, he said the EVO 10 is faster than the GTI-R in a straight line, and said nothing about around a good track (not a dragstrip) or a full comparison, because no one has driven one to compare them…. and 5.5 to 60 is not bad, considering the complete package one will get for 29,000-33000, the slight compromise in outright speed compared with Evo 10 or STI (not handling-performance — and the huge engine tuning / performance enhancement potential not even being considered) for overall comfort, convenience, looks, elegance, practicality….) is NOTHING to frown at

furthermore, the fwd coalball SS is less practical with front wheel drive, and even more so if it were tuned – if engine performance were enhanced- that much power (assuming it does probably have huge engine performance enhancement potential as well) going to only front wheel will struggle to come close to any EVO, WRX, wrx STi, or GTI-R with similar power output around any real world track with nice tight curves

front wheels*

So for all those who have said, “I’d buy an American car if they made one that could compete with the Europeans and Japanese,” Chevy is calling your bluff. Because the Cobalt SS doesn’t just compete with the foreign cars, it beats them. It is the hottest-performing sports compact you can buy in the U.S. for under $30,000. That it’s also the least expensive in this test is even more reason to rush to your Chevy dealer immediately. Not only will it help stimulate the economy, but every aspect of your enthusiast driving senses as well. – Road & Track, Comparison test against Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart, Subaru Impreza WRX, and Mazdaspeed3(Which had just beat the Honda Civic Si, Mini Cooper S, Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V and VOLKSWAGEN GTI)

and this i know, i have owned /leased /driven MANY fwd turbo performance cars from:

VW-
GTI mkIV (tuned: 250+ wheel hp) and mkV (stock, chipped)
mkIV GLI 1.8T (tuned: 250+ wheel hp)
mkV GLI 2.0T (chipped – 225+ wheel hp)
MkV jetta 1.9 TDI

Honda-
2007 Civic Si (stock)
1997 Civic ex
RSX base manual (stock)
1996 Integra with H22a4 engine swap
Civic dx hatch with built d16 vtec engine, FAT TURBO

Dodge-
SRT-4 (turbo upgrade, chip, intercooler, turbo-back exhaust, cold-air intake, etc.. 325-375 wheel HP)

quite a few more that are not relevant or I am probably forgetting, but

2002 Audi S4 (ECS-H&R coilovers, APR chip, APR bi-pipe, GHL cat-back exhaust, ECS-Porsche-Brembo stage3 brakes, etc…)

2002 M3 (Active Autowerks rear exhaust – resonator not headers or mid pipe)

2008 Porsche 997 Carrera Turbo 6-speed manual (chip, turbo-back exhaust, etc)

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and these last few cars are just showing that i have driven AWD and RWD cars as well

I almost always drive these cars hard at some point, if not all the time

conclusion, IMO, AWD or RWD is just about ALWAYS superior

i also forgot the 2006 Subaru WRX Sti, which was amazing around curves with the oversteer and control

and various MB-AMG’s (CLS55, E55)

I built a Cobalt SS and a GTI as identical as I could. The GTI cost $25,680 vs the Cobalt at $23,655. The GTI is $2,025 more.

The bottom line. The Cobalt will be as comfy as the GTI-R. The Cobalt will be FASTER than the GTI-R. The Cobalt will get better fuel economy. The GTI-R will have a nicer interior. The Cobalt will cost $10,000 less.

Cobalt SS:3, GTI-R:1

The Cobalt SS is better for less.

sure you did jack ass… so what does “building it” entail, checking almost every option on the GTI but absolutely none on the cobalt SS….. good game you noob

But in the end you are still driving a cobalt.

The cobalt doesn’t have the history that the GTI does. I am not saying this is for everyone, but its for the VW enthusiast. And that is what the VW .:R cars are for, not for the masses. If it was for the masses, they would slap the K04 turbo on the GTI and have it have similar power/tq as the cobalt, look better, have a nicer interior, and can have it cost relatively the same (K04 is as cheap as the K03 turbo, S3 FSI injectors and FSI injectors are relatively similarly priced, rods and pistons are slightly different to handle more power…etc).

BIG-KC, one more downfall of the GTI though…its getting fat, weight increases over the years have killed its “hot hatch” feel. I love mine though, just wanted to add to your scoring though

The bottom line.
NO it absolutely will not, with doors and body panels made out of recycled tin cans.
Yes it might, until you have to hit the brakes or enter a set of twisties, and the coalball’s brakes melt
No it will not unless you are flogging the VDub the entire time but never hit boost and shift @2300 rpm in SS
Yes it absolutely will.

Coalball SS : 2
GTI-R: 2

accurately, on your rating scale, which we know is very biased, incomplete, if not completely IRRELEVANT

The Coalball SS is a lot of power for a lot less, in a ugly and and CHEAP package, but if all you care about is great acceleration and halfway decent handling, it is great

good luck getting any in the coalball, when women see you as an immature 17 or 18 year old in a man’s body

if even a man’s body

Have you ever actually sat inside or driven a Cobalt SS nickkop? It isn’t actually as horrible as you make it out to be. And if you bothered to go look at Road and Track or Motortrends comparisons that include the Cobalt SS you would see that it CAN hang with both it’s FWD and AWD counterparts, and not just in a straight line.

OR you could go to Car and Driver and see how the Cobalt SS killed the Mugen Si, the Evolution MR, BMW 135i, Lexus IS F, Honda S2000 CR, Lotus Elise SC, Infiniti G37 coupe, and Subaru Impreza WRX STI (Among others) at the 4.2 mile Virginia International Raceway.

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/original/application/29f64c2ec07fa8aef3548a5d3c4cd280.pdf

I don’t even like the Cobalt but it’s not the tin can you make it out to be.

2 wheeled speed, i wasnt saying it can’t hang, my point was: who cares? look at it.
I highly doubt it killed Killed ANYTHING, when all aspects are rightfully considered

and if you read my comments correctly, i said if it were enhanced with significant engine(325+wheel HP)
/suspension modifications, it most definitely couldn’t hang with anything better than a MS3, Civic Si, GTI(NOT-R), SRT-4 (caliber or neon, but both are now dead) etc….

FORGET that coalball SS thing hanging with any worked GTI-R, WRX, WRX STI, Ralliart (08+), EVO, Audi , any bmw, any anything AWD or RWD

again i was saying if these were all modified equally (power and suspension, brakes), the SS would not hang

Stock, yes, maybe it can beat the competition, but this is more equivalent to, IMO to a Civic EX, Mazda 3, or that were aftermarket modified with a turbo, nice suspension and brakes, than any of these better, IMO, base platforms for tuners to work on…. in other words, chevy has taken it apon themselves to modify their own cobalt, not really develeoped an improved base model for aftermarket companies to improve on. They have taken a lot of the fun (potential) out of it….

and again when i say it can’t hang i mean more like in anything other than a straight line…

all the while, it still comparably would look and feel like dogshyt!

now please excuse me, i have to go pleasure my beautiful sexy girlfriend, i really wish i could stay longer and educate your pre-pubescent car noobs, but i just have better ways to spend my time…you are welcome

nickkop…
You are so biased it is ridiculous. And look at how you talk. How mature is that? Not at all. Be mature and look at the facts. Against all the cars it was tested against it outhandled them. Skidpad, slalom, and racetrack. It destroys the GTI in ALL performance aspects. Plus it gets better fuel economy and is 2 grand cheaper. Bet a clue. And while the GTI does look good I prefer a coupe look and the cobalt provides that. And when I built them I did so with equal equipment. Or here, without checking anything the GTI is $23,930 and the Cobalt SS is $22,845. The only thing before that I checked on the GTI that I didn’t on the Cobalt is rims because the stock GTI rims are ugly.

LOOK AT THE FACTS.
Cobalt is cheaper, faster and more economical. GTI is, um, well…Nicer looking seats. And then tack on $10k for the GTI-R to match Cobalt SS speeds. No thank you, Cobalt for me.

You still didn’t even bother to read the articles or look at the race results did you? Thank you for not even pretending to do your research… The Cobalt came in 6 seconds before the WRX STI on the VIR track. And you’re going to pull this BS “Oh well if you upped the power and added suspension mods it couldn’t repeat that…”? Really? It already comes with 260 horses, I doubt modding it to 320ish would totally destroy it’s ability to handle a track.

I can present real results from real tests done by reputable auto publications and you talk about your opinions of the unverifiable performance of aftermarket modded cars… Cute… You read too many tuner mags…

And can’t you also argue that ANY upgraded/performance version of a regular car is taking the fun (potential) out of the car for tuners? That’s stupid, not every can or wants to mod their own car to go fast and IF a tuner wanted to build a Cobalt from the ground up all he would have to do is buy a base Cobalt… You’re an idiot…

You’re not going to convince Cobalt owners that the Golf is a good car, just like how Golf owners will not be convinced that the Cobalt is also a good car. As far as I’m concerned, neither cars are perfect, and the Cobalt will never be able to completely annihilate the Golf in sales alone.

People have different reasons why they prefer the GTI over whatever else the competition is offering at the moment. Just telling GTI owners that the Cobalt SS will annihilate their car in every single aspect possible doesn’t mean sh1t due to the fact that the Cobalt will be beaten someday by yet another competitor, until that other competitor’s car gets beaten as well, and vice versa. It’s a pointless dick measuring contest.

Another thing, hasn’t GM announced that they’re eliminating the Cobalt from their lineup as soon as December 2009? Talk about a 5 year lifespan.

Thank you 2WheeledSpeed, and you are correct Stix. Both the GTI and Cobalt are good looking in their own way and people will have their own opinion.
And yes the Cobalt is ending BUT it is being replaced by the Cruze. Perhaps a Cruze SS with more performance is on the way. The Cruze ups the Cobalt in MPG (45mpg vs 37mpg, and the 37mpg is already higher than the competition) and the interior has been totally redone to rid the “plasticy” feel.

GM sux my balls…. buy ford, jap, or european

btw when was the last time you actually looked at a coalbalt SS ?? it likes worse than the SRT-4 neon (forget the caliber) did when compared with any of the competition….

again the WRX, STi, Ralliart, EVO, GTI-R… etc are more practical and have more potential with awd…..

They are completely above the league of the Coalball SS, but if you love it so much, go buy one, so i can laugh when i see you driving it… awww… how cute… he thinks its a good car because its fast… poor guy…

so to conclude, maybe I am biased, maybe the Coalball SS does hang, man… sue me…. i am biased….

like i said above, who cares !?

but the car is a turd compared to anything else even with 63 less horsepower…. it still looks like a cheap, basic mode of transportation at the end of the day, more so than anything comparable…

I would love to drive one on a track… tune it, beat the **** out of it… sure…

but the bottom line is, i, like many people, would never BUY one because of the principles mentioned above…

Now the GTI-R….

that is fast, nimble , elegant, comfortable, reliable, reasonably fuel-efficient, AND did i say Sexy?

and when a girl, or a long-time friend asks what type of car you have, or looks at it, you dont have to be embarrassed to say “I drive a Chevy Cobalt – ss”… yeah… and they think…”riiiight…. oh man, this poor guy…”

BUT saying I drive a Vdub GTI-R, baby !!!! 8D yeah….. that sounds right…

@Nicktop… get a life.

Well I hope Ford answer with either the a Focus RS or a Fiesta GT with a shoe horned V-6 Eco-Boost Pumping out 400 HP

that would be sweet bankruptcy

Now the Cobalt SS….

that is fast(er than GTI-R), nimble(er than GTI-R), elegant, comfortable, reliable, Very fuel-efficient, AND did i say Sexy(because it is a Coupe not a wife’s hatchback)?

And I’m with Bankruptcy2009. Bring on the Focus RS. The only FWD car that can beat the Cobalt SS.

What you think the Cobalt looks like or where it falls on the coolness scale is your personal opinion (And practical based on what?), I already said I’m not a huge Cobalt fan. That’s cause I’m not a fan of the turbo-4 boy toy scene. You seem very worried about what other people think of you, so go ahead and buy a GTI-R and convince yourself that you’re better than other people if that’s what works for you.

And I can’t wait to test drive a Focus RS! The only compact turbo’d car I’d buy right now.

ya littleKC do you realize the GTI-R isnt fwd you silly a$swipe ??

a coalball SS is elegant, comfortable, reliable (maybe before 55,000 miles),
SEXY HAHAHAH man im done with this, you are just as bad as NMOFGM……
stop playing with yourself buddy its embarassing…
im almost embarrassed for you…
anyway…

i will give you this… they have a good value (for cheap performance fans who don’t consider their image),
and therefore they do sell…..

i stopped curiously at my local chevy store (to look at one in person) and the only coalball SS around
was a lame 2007 supercharged version….
id much rather just have a nissan versa, honda fit, ford focus, or basically anything comparable…
version….

dude, yes for a chevy, they are cool… and if my ONLY choice was a chevy, id rock one, with really dark tinted windows…

but hte truth is, this is a free market… and the SS is STILL a COBALT…. i won’t prejudge the cruze…

lets see when cruze SS hits the ground… you might have something there…

The Cobalt SS’s engine actually won awards. It will last closer to 200,000 miles.
The only reason I said it was sexy is because you said the GTI was sexy. The GTI is a WIFES HATCHBACK. The Cobalt SS is a COUPE. At least as sexy as a hatchback.

So a Cobalt looks as good as a GTI, is as reliable, outperforms it in every aspect, is cheaper, and is more fuel efficient. What is wrong with that? Nothing.

Dear Volkswagen,

OH YEAH! I like this new design! Forget GM (GOVERMENTS MONEY) and Chrysler I am so hoping for this car for Christmas …. I thought the REGULAR Golf was cool but no you had to put me into a comma.

NMOFVW

nickktop and big kc
this is so dumb. the cobalt is a good car for the money and the gti-r is absurdly hot. I wouldnt buy a cobalt just because i happen to like the gti-r better. But that doesnt mean that all those tests are bull****, facts are facts lol you really cant dispute that. If someone likes the cobalt and buys one and spends less money for comparable performance because thats what they want then who cares lol? You wrote more posts than anyone on this whole thread and act like youre better than people who are driving cobalts bc youre driving a gti lol. i dont drive a cobalt or a gti,i my first car was a 2002 gti and im gonn buy a gti-r and use it as my daily driver when it comes to the usa. as of now ill stick with my twin turbo 350z thats fully paid off and my daily driver ford escort lol. not to be a dick or anything but why r u putting these guys down or anyone who drives a cobalt? ill be honest nick, youre putting up posts about how u have to go pleasure your beautiful gf and stuff, seems like bull****. You kept mentioning **** about image or meeting a girl and telling them what u drive and being embarassed that its a cobalt. why would u care what other ppl think if u like the car and enjoy it? you seem a little more worried about what ppl think abotu what youre driving than actually enjoying what youre driving. and to be honest man, the gti is nice and all, but its not exactly the pinnacle of engineering lol you act as if its leaps and bounds above the cobalt ss. theyre compared to each other bc theyre in the same price bracket. to put ppl down the way you did is ridiculous when your drivign a car that is in the same price range as theirs. you act liek your driving a lambo or something its absurd. Heres what i think and im probably right. youre that kid who talks a bunch of **** bc youre embarassed of yourself and u mention things about ur gf bc u dont actually have a gf and if you do shes probably terrible looking, so u put other ppl down who make legit points bc it makes u feel better for a little bit but then you realize everything you just typed is a lie and u feel like a loser again lol. Big KC never said anything bad to you and u just freaked out like a whiney bitch typing up 5 posts at a time then mentioned how u had to pleasure your gf followed by sayign u dont have time for this then posting comments again after lol. Immature tools like you suck and make all VW fans look liek douches. and this is coming from someone who likes vw. i just think youre a loser, enjoy pleasuring your imaginary gf man