Comments on: Saab prices 2012 9-4X crossover http://www.leftlanenews.com/saab-9-4x.html Car news, reviews, and specs for the auto-industry Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:59:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Guest http://www.leftlanenews.com/saab-9-4x.html#comment-644782 Guest Tue, 22 Nov 2011 01:54:00 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=14088#comment-644782 Like they did before GM screwed them for all the tech they did not have themselves, and then tossed them out, when the leadership could not hide how much money they siphoned out of the GM company blaming SAAB, Opel and some others for their own short-commings when the crunch hit. There are some people around the Globe not fooled by all the bull they have been served. I even know people without degrees in economics whom figured this one out by just adding 2+2 Like they did before GM screwed them for all the tech they did not have themselves, and then tossed them out, when the leadership could not hide how much money they siphoned out of the GM company blaming SAAB, Opel and some others for their own short-commings when the crunch hit. There are some people around the Globe not fooled by all the bull they have been served. I even know people without degrees in economics whom figured this one out by just adding 2+2

]]> By: telememo http://www.leftlanenews.com/saab-9-4x.html#comment-586544 telememo Wed, 08 Dec 2010 14:59:30 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=14088#comment-586544 Darkon, I agree with your logic, it is tough for a small brand to compete in today's market. But Saab became a know brand for putting out unique vehicles, and if GM were to take it back the whole point would be platform sharing for lower manufaturing cost, which means Saabs would be nothing more than rebadged and slightly redesigned GM. We and GM don't need another Pontiac/Oldsmobile/Buick... Darkon,

I agree with your logic, it is tough for a small brand to compete in today’s market. But Saab became a know brand for putting out unique vehicles, and if GM were to take it back the whole point would be platform sharing for lower manufaturing cost, which means Saabs would be nothing more than rebadged and slightly redesigned GM. We and GM don’t need another Pontiac/Oldsmobile/Buick…

]]> By: darkom http://www.leftlanenews.com/saab-9-4x.html#comment-586413 darkom Tue, 07 Dec 2010 23:27:42 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=14088#comment-586413 my local saab dealer was buzzing before the recession. seems like a lot of 9-3s and 9-7s were moving in michigan. the bankruptcy and the gas prices just killed a niche brand. a lean, focused gm might find some value in the company, idk... i don't see how such a small brand win back consumers/residual values w/o some help from a major player. my local saab dealer was buzzing before the recession. seems like a lot of 9-3s and 9-7s were moving in michigan. the bankruptcy and the gas prices just killed a niche brand. a lean, focused gm might find some value in the company, idk… i don’t see how such a small brand win back consumers/residual values w/o some help from a major player.

]]> By: telememo http://www.leftlanenews.com/saab-9-4x.html#comment-586354 telememo Tue, 07 Dec 2010 19:21:18 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=14088#comment-586354 darkom Why would GM want to buy SAAB back? It will not ad any value to GM, plus you saw what happened when they were selling the brand, it almost went kaputz with no buyer. That's a reflection of the value of the brand. If SAAB wants to turn things around they will have to come up with something a lot better, unique vehicles like back in the 90s... darkom

Why would GM want to buy SAAB back? It will not ad any value to GM, plus you saw what happened when they were selling the brand, it almost went kaputz with no buyer. That’s a reflection of the value of the brand. If SAAB wants to turn things around they will have to come up with something a lot better, unique vehicles like back in the 90s…

]]> By: telememo http://www.leftlanenews.com/saab-9-4x.html#comment-586345 telememo Tue, 07 Dec 2010 18:15:57 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=14088#comment-586345 Agree with johnny, average effort that will yield below average sales Agree with johnny, average effort that will yield below average sales

]]> By: swedishiron http://www.leftlanenews.com/saab-9-4x.html#comment-586329 swedishiron Tue, 07 Dec 2010 15:43:05 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=14088#comment-586329 2011 Volvo XC60 has 325LB of Torque and 300HP and a SMOOTH Inline Six PLUS City Safe. I'd have more respect for this "SAAB" if the base engine was a powerful and efficient turbocharged 4 cylinder. 2011 Volvo XC60 has 325LB of Torque and 300HP and a SMOOTH Inline Six PLUS City Safe. I’d have more respect for this “SAAB” if the base engine was a powerful and efficient turbocharged 4 cylinder.

]]> By: darkom http://www.leftlanenews.com/saab-9-4x.html#comment-586277 darkom Tue, 07 Dec 2010 00:57:11 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=14088#comment-586277 is it possible GM has a good year or two and buys back SAAB for what they sold them for? is it possible GM has a good year or two and buys back SAAB for what they sold them for?

]]> By: darkom http://www.leftlanenews.com/saab-9-4x.html#comment-586276 darkom Tue, 07 Dec 2010 00:56:13 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=14088#comment-586276 Since it's a GM clone they should give me my GM employee discount on it. I'd lease one for $399/m...which is what I can lease a SRX for. No discount? No thanks. Since it’s a GM clone they should give me my GM employee discount on it. I’d lease one for $399/m…which is what I can lease a SRX for. No discount? No thanks.

]]> By: johnnycanuck http://www.leftlanenews.com/saab-9-4x.html#comment-586245 johnnycanuck Mon, 06 Dec 2010 22:46:14 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=14088#comment-586245 I'd say wait a year or two and you'll probably be able to pick one up for half the price but that would be implying that they'll actually sell any in the first place. I’d say wait a year or two and you’ll probably be able to pick one up for half the price but that would be implying that they’ll actually sell any in the first place.

]]> By: hyrgfr http://www.leftlanenews.com/saab-9-4x.html#comment-584350 hyrgfr Sun, 21 Nov 2010 13:34:01 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=14088#comment-584350 online store———– http://www.kohlscn.com U G G($48) N F L ($28) online store———– http://www.kohlscn.com

U G G($48)

N F L ($28)

]]> By: 85ZingoGTR http://www.leftlanenews.com/saab-9-4x.html#comment-584249 85ZingoGTR Fri, 19 Nov 2010 23:22:27 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=14088#comment-584249 I'd wait for the next generation SAAB 9-4x. When its a real SAAB and not some idea of a joke from GM. If I want an SRX, I'd like to be spared from the humor and just shoot for the Cadillac instead. Not a second attempt to pull a 9-7x which we all know how successful that was. I’d wait for the next generation SAAB 9-4x. When its a real SAAB and not some idea of a joke from GM. If I want an SRX, I’d like to be spared from the humor and just shoot for the Cadillac instead. Not a second attempt to pull a 9-7x which we all know how successful that was.

]]> By: iluvamcars http://www.leftlanenews.com/saab-9-4x.html#comment-584229 iluvamcars Fri, 19 Nov 2010 21:00:17 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=14088#comment-584229 Haha. I think im gonna change my name to iluvmycars. -iluvamcars Haha. I think im gonna change my name to iluvmycars.

-iluvamcars

]]> By: Borat http://www.leftlanenews.com/saab-9-4x.html#comment-584181 Borat Fri, 19 Nov 2010 15:00:34 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=14088#comment-584181 RaineMan you confused iluvmycars with carstuff RaineMan you confused iluvmycars with carstuff

]]> By: Borat http://www.leftlanenews.com/saab-9-4x.html#comment-584179 Borat Fri, 19 Nov 2010 14:59:11 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=14088#comment-584179 = =

]]> By: Need4SSpeed http://www.leftlanenews.com/saab-9-4x.html#comment-584108 Need4SSpeed Fri, 19 Nov 2010 01:07:41 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=14088#comment-584108 I agree with iluvamcars. If you compare a 9-4X it looks nothing like an Equinox, or a Terrain. It might be "badged engineered", but the average consumer won't know and that's not going to hurt their image. Same with the Malibu and the Regal. Obviously the GMT900 series is a different story as iluvamcars pointed out. Also there's a reason why the Epsilon II platform has been 'whored out' and for a good reason. It's a very good platform. I agree with iluvamcars. If you compare a 9-4X it looks nothing like an Equinox, or a Terrain. It might be “badged engineered”, but the average consumer won’t know and that’s not going to hurt their image. Same with the Malibu and the Regal.

Obviously the GMT900 series is a different story as iluvamcars pointed out.

Also there’s a reason why the Epsilon II platform has been ‘whored out’ and for a good reason. It’s a very good platform.

]]> By: iluvamcars http://www.leftlanenews.com/saab-9-4x.html#comment-584106 iluvamcars Fri, 19 Nov 2010 00:40:10 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=14088#comment-584106 First off, im not a GM fanboy. I'll buy any type of car out there and give my support to anycompany. The Equinox and Terrain may be going after the same crowd but they are certainly not attracting the same buyers the SRX is. Plus, the SRX is mid-size, while the Equinox is more compact. The Equinox and SRX dont even have the same wheelbases. And you can go anywhere and find that indeed the Theta Premium partially based on the Epsilon II. Of course the Tahoe/Yukon/Escalade are all the same. That is actual badge engineering. But the Regal and Malibu are not badge engineered just because they share the same platform. The Malibu and Regal actually ride on different wheelbases and attract different people. The Enclave/Acadia/Traverse are not badge engineered. First off, the Enclave is bigger than the other two. The Enclave shares absolutely no body panels inside or out with the other two Lambdas. The only thing the Traverse shares with the Acadia is its exterior doors. If someone looked at an Enclave then looked at a Traverse they would not know they were based on the same platform unless they were told so or already knew. Quit calling these cars badge engineered because they are not!! Just because they share a platform does not mean anything. Hell, like i said, some of those vehicles have different wheelbases. But im not denying that the Colorado/Canyon and GMT900 siblings are badge engineered. But those are trucks and its different for trucks. Im not gonna waste space by telling you why. If you are an enthusiast you should get the general idea. -iluvamcars First off, im not a GM fanboy. I’ll buy any type of car out there and give my support to anycompany.

The Equinox and Terrain may be going after the same crowd but they are certainly not attracting the same buyers the SRX is. Plus, the SRX is mid-size, while the Equinox is more compact. The Equinox and SRX dont even have the same wheelbases. And you can go anywhere and find that indeed the Theta Premium partially based on the Epsilon II.

Of course the Tahoe/Yukon/Escalade are all the same. That is actual badge engineering. But the Regal and Malibu are not badge engineered just because they share the same platform. The Malibu and Regal actually ride on different wheelbases and attract different people.

The Enclave/Acadia/Traverse are not badge engineered. First off, the Enclave is bigger than the other two. The Enclave shares absolutely no body panels inside or out with the other two Lambdas. The only thing the Traverse shares with the Acadia is its exterior doors.

If someone looked at an Enclave then looked at a Traverse they would not know they were based on the same platform unless they were told so or already knew. Quit calling these cars badge engineered because they are not!! Just because they share a platform does not mean anything. Hell, like i said, some of those vehicles have different wheelbases. But im not denying that the Colorado/Canyon and GMT900 siblings are badge engineered. But those are trucks and its different for trucks. Im not gonna waste space by telling you why. If you are an enthusiast you should get the general idea.

-iluvamcars

]]> By: RaineMan http://www.leftlanenews.com/saab-9-4x.html#comment-584088 RaineMan Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:47:28 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=14088#comment-584088 @iluvamcars: The Equinox, Terrain, SRX and 9-4X are ALL based off of GM's Theta platform and they share the majority of their running gear, and mechanicals. Sure they have different styling and different interiors, but under the skin they are majority the same vehicle. They are all Theta Platform Crossovers. Why do GM fanboys refuse to get this concept? The spin doctors call it "brand engineering" selling what is essentially the same vehicle under as many brands as possible with hopes of saturating the market. That's all GM has done for the past 10 years. They make one good vehicle then clone it and spread it around amongst the other brands. Even after bankruptcy and restructuring they are still selling 2, 3, 4 versions of the same vehicle. It hurts their market b/c anybody that knows cars worth a crap can look at the vehicles across the brands and tell that they are essentially the same thing. Tahoe/Yukon/Escalade... same thing. Malibu/Regal... same thing. Silverado/Sierra... same thing. Traverse/Acadia/Enclave... same thing. Colorado/Canyon... same thing. Equinox/Terrain/SRX/9-4X... same thing. @iluvamcars: The Equinox, Terrain, SRX and 9-4X are ALL based off of GM’s Theta platform and they share the majority of their running gear, and mechanicals. Sure they have different styling and different interiors, but under the skin they are majority the same vehicle. They are all Theta Platform Crossovers.

Why do GM fanboys refuse to get this concept? The spin doctors call it “brand engineering” selling what is essentially the same vehicle under as many brands as possible with hopes of saturating the market. That’s all GM has done for the past 10 years. They make one good vehicle then clone it and spread it around amongst the other brands. Even after bankruptcy and restructuring they are still selling 2, 3, 4 versions of the same vehicle. It hurts their market b/c anybody that knows cars worth a crap can look at the vehicles across the brands and tell that they are essentially the same thing.

Tahoe/Yukon/Escalade… same thing.
Malibu/Regal… same thing.
Silverado/Sierra… same thing.
Traverse/Acadia/Enclave… same thing.
Colorado/Canyon… same thing.
Equinox/Terrain/SRX/9-4X… same thing.

]]> By: carstuff http://www.leftlanenews.com/saab-9-4x.html#comment-584085 carstuff Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:19:53 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=14088#comment-584085 Latest data shows Cadillac at #12 in Reliability and Saab at #16. Not much of a difference. Cadillac is above average (1.5 problems per car) and Saab below but only .08 problems per vehicle difference vs. Lexus at 1.15 problems per vehicle. http://businesscenter.jdpower.com/news/pressrelease.aspx?ID=2010034 Latest data shows Cadillac at #12 in Reliability and Saab at #16. Not much of a difference. Cadillac is above average (1.5 problems per car) and Saab below but only .08 problems per vehicle difference vs. Lexus at 1.15 problems per vehicle.

http://businesscenter.jdpower.com/news/pressrelease.aspx?ID=2010034

]]> By: iluvamcars http://www.leftlanenews.com/saab-9-4x.html#comment-584084 iluvamcars Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:09:30 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=14088#comment-584084 Please tell me how this is a clone of the clone of the Equinox?? A clone is an exact copy of something. This looks nothing like the SRX or the Equinox, or the Terrain. Plus, this and the SRX are on the Theta Premium, which is partially based on the Epsilon II and features a more renifed chassis. And i wouldnt call it a mess because the Equinox and Terrain are flying off the lots. The SRX is selling decent too. -iluvamcars Please tell me how this is a clone of the clone of the Equinox?? A clone is an exact copy of something. This looks nothing like the SRX or the Equinox, or the Terrain. Plus, this and the SRX are on the Theta Premium, which is partially based on the Epsilon II and features a more renifed chassis.

And i wouldnt call it a mess because the Equinox and Terrain are flying off the lots. The SRX is selling decent too.

-iluvamcars

]]> By: Motrop http://www.leftlanenews.com/saab-9-4x.html#comment-584066 Motrop Thu, 18 Nov 2010 20:45:08 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=14088#comment-584066 This is the last one - the 2012 or 2013 9-3 will be the first completely Saab designed vehicle post GM. This is the last one – the 2012 or 2013 9-3 will be the first completely Saab designed vehicle post GM.

]]> By: WalthamDan http://www.leftlanenews.com/saab-9-4x.html#comment-584061 WalthamDan Thu, 18 Nov 2010 20:36:24 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=14088#comment-584061 Nice truck. Now will it come with the reliability of a Caddy SRX or a Saab, and which is the lesser of two evils? Nice truck. Now will it come with the reliability of a Caddy SRX or a Saab, and which is the lesser of two evils?

]]> By: RaineMan http://www.leftlanenews.com/saab-9-4x.html#comment-584033 RaineMan Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:14:48 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=14088#comment-584033 Ooh, the 4th Equinox Clone... only from the good folks at GM. I thought a GM-less Saab meant an end to all that mess. Ooh, the 4th Equinox Clone… only from the good folks at GM. I thought a GM-less Saab meant an end to all that mess.

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