Schumacher’s arrogance as always, will anyone make him shut up?

Yes. Nascar is quite numbing. Definately ranks up there with Golf, Tennis and Macramae.

I tend to agree with Mr. Schumacher, even though he was responsible for making F1 extremely boring just a few seasons ago. But some people like beer, others red wine, some like Nascar others like F1…

People only watch NASCAR for the crashes. I watch F1 for the skill, technology and the sound of a 4L V10’s revving at 14,000 RPM. mmmmm Soon to be 2.8L V8 I believe

Schumacher is one of the few exemptions to this: traveling for multiple hours at 180mph several feet from multiple other vehicles is a challenge, and not many people could survive doing it.

hey peter g…. some people like both.

There are far more crashes (as seen in the pic) than F1. Aside from running around in an oval, what makes races entertaining to watch is the prospect of crazy wreckage involving fire and destruction. F1 used to be fun, but now with safety regulations and schumacher winning every damn race, it could be called boring as well.

Though I do agree F1 cars are space shuttles in comparison with NASCAR cars.

I agree with Micheal

i agree with the crazy fast german guy

It’s funny how much you people know of F1.

#4: It’s not “SOON”, it’s “NOW”.

#6: ALONSO is winning every race, NOT Schumi.

Do you people just bash everything you don’t know or what is it with you?

I agree…but I love NASCAR crashes.

I like watching F1 and NASCAR. I think both of them are entertaining … now from a drivers perspective, theres just something about pulling a little paddle behind the sterring wheel that seems much more boring then heel and toe downshifting … NASCAR racers dont always go left (of course we all should know that) and many NACAR dudes often times get a chance to race open wheel cars. But personally, I’m really not biased between any of the two … I like ‘em both

“While some high profile F1 drivers are defecting from F1 racing to Nascar”. Nice way of rewording the fact that those drivers are moving to NASCAR just because they can not get a drive in F1.

And Schumacher is speaking as a driver and not as a spectator.

Schumacher doesn’t get it. F1 is mostly about dealing with the track, the vehicle setup, and then sometimes with other cars, it’s like a racing analogy of being on a twisty european road without many other people around. NASCAR is about dealing with traffic and other cars and car setups. It’s more a racing analogy to the type of driving most Americans are familiar with…a Highway with easy, predictable turns, and lots of other not easily predicatable crazy people out there, who sometimes seem like they want to kill you.
And comparing Nascar cars to F1 cars is just silly, very much apples and oranges. I, personally, find both series quite boring, and prefer WRC, or LeMans, or racing series with cars that relate to something I could actually drive on the road (somewhat at least).
Also, in response to some earlier posts, the v10 engines rev closer to 18k RPM, the v8 engines are standard now, and Schumacher doesn’t win every race, Fernando Alanso does.

People only watch NASCAR for the crashes. I watch F1 for the skill, technology and the sound of a 4L V10’s revving at 14,000 RPM. mmmmm Soon to be 2.8L V8 I believe

the most recent V10’s were 3L and the new v8’s are 2.4L

And those are 2.4lt V8, not 2.8lt.

I AM A NASCAR FAN LOVE IT WATCH IT EVERY WEEK BUT NOT FOR THE CRASHES F1 IRL OR SATURDAY NIGHT AT THE DIRT TRACK EACH ONE HAS IT’S OWN NUANSCE NO NEED TO DIS ONE OR THE OTHER RACING IS RACING HOWEVER NASCAR IS WHERE THE MONEY IS.

@mike
they are already using 2liter V8’s en before they used 2liter V10’s

micheals right

Michael rules. NASCAR is to racing what pro wrestling is to wrestling.

MIKE, YOU’RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, THANK YOU!

NASCAR is the WWF of auto racing but it’s also a damn good source of revenue for all involved (except fans). At least there’s passing in NASCAR (boring as it may be to watch cars make left turns mile after mile). F1 may be the pinnacle of motorsports but let’s face it: what happened to the actual racing? Everything is pit strategy now and the finishing order is usually a reflection of the starting grid, with some exceptions, of course.

“He didn’t HIT you , He RUBBED you and RUBBIN’ is Racin’ ” -Days of Thunder

This isn’t news, Nascar has always been a redneck infested snoozefest.

Schumacher states the obvious again. What does he want, a prize? We all know Nascar is as dull as ditchwater

I was watching the US Grand Prix this year and there was a pretty big ass crash, nearly took out half the field. I was also watching the Dodge/Save Mart 350 at Infineon raceway, and that was a good NASCAR road race. Honestly ovals aren’t that fun to watch, better in real-life than on TV, watching a road race on tv is more fun than being at one- sometimes. But I would rather not be participating in a sport where you have “bump drafting” as a tecnique.

Jeff Gordon also said during the US Grand Prix that NAscar is finding and pushing the limits of the car but F1 was pushing the limits of your own body.

how does driving one way around an oval push the limits of the car, you only ever turn left (or Right)I’m never sure which. so only one side of the car is ever tested. Isn’t rallying the best test of cars?

I accept my fault in claiming they were 2.8L V8s “soon”. The one’s who said it, yes, 2.4L V8’s revving at 18K RPM already… Another down fall to F1 is that it has been increasingly less about the skill of the drivers and more about the advancement of the cars. One more thing, GT and WRC Races are much more entertaining then either F1 or NASCAR. Hell, I’d rather watch Top Fuel Drag Racing then Nascar.

I’m as far as anyone can be from being a NASCAR fan (I detest oval racing) but even I have to admit that it cannot be as easy as everyone assumes it is. You’re driving this 3500lb behemoth at 180mph+ only inches away from other people doing the same. You have to do your best to get an advantage over similarly prepared cars and the starting order in no way dictates how the finishing order will be. I love Formula1 but I agree with the post about it becoming more about pit and fuel strategies than actual racing (with a few very memorable exceptions a typical Formula1 race is a parade of incredible cars with practically zero passing).

what would make nascar fun again…

-All body panels must match road car
-engine and drive train much match road car
-Car must weight more then 2500lbs
-Everyone runs the same tires and same fuel

of course i know this would never happen again. though i would turn out some pretty awsome road cars IE Superbird…

NASCAR is about as boring as baseball.

Both suck! It’s all about LeMans!

Schumi’s right, if not politically correct.

I love F1, but often you only have to watch the first lap to see who’s gonna win. In NASCAR, you only have to watch the last 20 laps.

Apples and oranges.

For the drivers, comment #13 was right on the money.

The problem NASCAR has is that the cars have nothing to do with “stock” cars; at least F1 doesn’t try to make that argument. Which is why the Monte Carlo SS is a dud in the market. And this is only going to get worse with “The Car of Tomorrow”, when the only differences in the cars will be the headlight and grill DECALS. NASCAR is nothing more than a billboard show. I think NASCAR has Jumped the Shark.

THANK YOU #17 FOR TYPING ALL CAPS, WE ARE GLAD YOU ARE SO ENTHUSED ABOUT NASCAR

Anyways, people need to chill out, its not a competition between different types of races. If some folks like NASCAR, then let them watch it and don’t call is stupid or boring. Simply state nicely, you do not care for NASCAR.

Personally, I do not care for NASCAR and do not understand the appeal, I am more into WRC. Talk about some skill needed there. But then again, all of the motosports take a different skill sets, so no one can truly ever be definitively requiring of more skill than anyone other.

So people, chill out, its all just racing. I say if someone likes NASCAR, its just that much more likely that they will begin to like other motorsports, and I say a good thing for any motorsport is a good thing for all motorsports. The more people interested in making cars better, the better by me.

NASCAR would seem boring. You only turn one direction and use the top gear with the exeption of a few courses. The cars are heavier, slower, and uglier. It is more primitive. Drivers spin each other out on purpose and bump and grind. And I would like to see a stock car pull 5g’s around a corner. Formula 1 racing is supieror.

Number 1 I agree with SS make them run stock cars so our everyday cars get development.

Number 2 I sit here and watch all motorsports while working with my Slingbox. I’ll watch it if it has 4 wheels and goes fast. Who cares all auto racing rocks.

Its true…NASCAR is seen as a joke more than a auto-sport…

Then again I guess most of you defending it are from US so that speaks volumes..

You guys are used to pancy and unskilled auto spots over there…for the braindead masses..

Its not just F1, look at WRC and such while you guys got **** like crap cars in dirty/mud tracks and get all feasty…lol

You know what???? HE IS RIGHT!!!!!!!!!Boring big time.
Low tech cars with a high tech marketing.Only in this great country, only the good people of the USA buys a product like Nascar. Thanks God we have Danika. That is the real Mcoy

As many have said the comparison is not valid. F1 is a technological excercise (less and less each year). I remember the schreech of a V16 Matra racing right along with a V8 Cosworth. Or the 6 wheel Tyrells and the 1.5 litre, 1100 HP, ground effects, turbo Renaults. Even the Brabham Sucker F1 car. That was F1, today it becoming more and more a Spec series. Nascar is a show and it is a Spec series, has been for a long time and with the Car of Tomorrow even more so. To say that these are Fords, Chevys, or Dodges is pure marketing. But it is a great show and I suppose it is great racing and good entertainment. Schmi just said it is not for him.

Both F1 and Nascar are jokes. Real racers are in Le Mans

two different kinds of racing, two different types of excitement. I love both. Having witnessed virtually every type of major league race up close and in person I can say that there are pluses and minuss to both. Schumi should be careful what he says. If they took all the electronic handicaps he has used throughout the years he might not be standing here today,or maybe might not of had all the championships.
Different cars, different skill and different mind-sets. Don’t forget to take notice that some of the best road racers in the world are commonly hired to run the 2 road races that NASCAR puts on every year and they don’t always finish real well. Many have tried their hand at the ovals to without a whole lot of success (Boris Said being a current exception).
Of course there is always the arrogant perspective that a small minority of the rest of the world that will hate whatever America likes and to those mouth breathers I just say F/U.
Europe won’t have to wait long. NASCAR will be coming there soon as well and you will love it too. It’s big and bold and powerful and fast and in your face exciting in person, Just like America.

I agree with him but I dont think F1 is the be all end all of all racing. The thing that bugs me is why is nascar the only american racing that is shoved down our throats? Why has the WRC been erased from every americans mind since they took it off speed. Nascar is boring around in a circle…so what? They say they are going 200 pmh …in a circle? How about go 200 on amountain side and then the crashes will be way better than any nascar bumper pool that is going on.

Boring!!!! I guess he has never watched a televised reply of one his races. Let me summarize the past F1 races and the upcoming for the foreseeable future. There is an exciting start where 10 cars try to squeeze into the first turn, a couple touch and are now out, Michael or Alonzo get out front run away, and then 70 or so laps later, one of them wins. That is about as exciting as it gets. Yes the cars are amazing with their technology. Too much money has ruined it though. At least in NASCAR a little paint is swapped occasionally. I am not a die hard NASCAR fan either. Just my .02 cents worth.

I think Andy and I are the only people that knows what’s up. LeMans — better cars, better tracks, better drivers. All other auto sports are for pesants!

Technically, which is where Schumacher is coming from, Nascar is boring as watching an episode of Bass Fishing. So he’s right there. But F1 is utterly boring once they get beyond the start of the race or the race isn’t held in Monacco.

MotoGP is where it’s at ladies and gentlemen if you like close racing action and some nasty crashes. WRC was excellent until the idiotic SpeedTV channel stopped broadcasting it. But SpeedTV is about Nascar first and everything else second.

Put your money where your mouth is, go race iroc. I know it’s not NASCAR but might as well be and then he can prove he & f1 drivers are better. if he does then let the masses fall to there knees and say how great he and all f1 drivers are, but if he loses to a NASCAR guy in a car that is identical then he should eat it. I do like all racing including these 2 forms. o yea, jump the shark lol, that’s funny.

finally someone who says what i’m thinking

NASCAR IS GOOD CUZ IT GIVE ME SUMTIN TO DO SINCE I AIN’T GOT NO JOB OR NUTHING.

I don’t like Schumacher but he has a point. They don’t race when it rains in NASCAR, how gay is that?? And then the technology; tires, suspension, body…
The engine is a 2.4 and it puts out a little more power than a 5.7 NASCAR engine. When I last chacked NASCAR engines were giving about 750 bhp, that was what the new v8s gave the first race. Now they’re pushing the 800 bhp barrier with 20000 rpms.

That’s the only reason the Caliber can sell

nascar=redneck
enough said

I like Nascar, and my Dodge Stratus !

Shumacher hit the nail on the head, folks. NASCAR is incredibly boring. Sorry if I offended any rednecks, but it’s true. What skill does it take to drive around in a circle? Maybe thats why rednecks like it so much…

What about DTM?
It’s a crossover between low-tech stock car racing and high-tech F1. The cars are very fast, beautiful, and resemble real world models. It features great tracks, and great drivers.
Currently it’s mainly a German series, but I think it would kick ass as an American or world racing series. In Germany DTM has races on street (Norisring), road (Spa) and even an oval (Lausitzring) course. Currently only Audi and Mercedes participate, but a decade ago it was really popular in Europe with teams like Alfa Romeo and other manufacturers. Huge budgets made the cars very high-tech and incredibly fast. The races were fast-paced / action packed with cars bouncing off the curbs at full speed and sparks flying. Racing was very close and physical (like NASCAR). But it got too big a threat for F1 so Ecclestone (the F1 Boss) had it canned for a couple of years. The series returned a few years ago with Opel, Audi and Mercedes participating. DTM spawned and currently features great drivers (Schumi raced in DTM with Mercedes and so does Hakkinen right now).

Mr. Schumacher is right on the money.

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Why don’t they put automatics and lay-z-boy recliners in them there JimBobmobiles?

-he who stacks pork

Check out this link to see what DTM was about a decade ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdAdiPhkxyk&search=dtm

What it looks like today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v-j_mj_cOM&search=dtm%20racing

I think DTM would rock as a worldwide F1-like championship with races, drivers and manufacturers from all over the world. Or a DTM USA series maybe.

Interesting comment coming from a guy who never tried to drive an oval before.

“Both F1 and Nascar are jokes. Real racers are in Le Mans”

Real racers have left Le Mans since the French and Factory Teams have turned it into a 24 hour joke.

GT Races are the ****. (ALMS, FIA GT, Grand AM) Porsche 911’s, F430’s, Porsche GT1’s, Mercedes GT’s, BMW M3, Corvette C6, Mustang, GTO, BMW 6 …. so on and so on. The cars are real, the races are close, the paint is passed back and forth, the tracks are tight, and the races are long and tough.

Relax nate…
I’ve been to the US several times and had a good time and all. Like it mostly.
I visited the Indianapolis Motor Speedway and was really impressed with the NASCAR cars who were testing there at the time. I never ever heard anything as loud as those roaring v8s with straight pipes. Really wonder why the fans don’t end up with permanent ear damage after watching a full-grid race event.
NASCAR really sounds muted on TV. But i like watching it, especially the Talladega race (really awesome oval, big crashes and all). But i like all motorsports. F1 is insanely fast, especially if you watch it from the ****pit-view. F1 races are pretty boring though. MotoGP is great, lots of action.

As the saying goes: “RACING IMPROVES THE BREED.” And NASCAR ain’t it. You want pinnacle engineering and designs, you want trickle down technology? Then F1 is it.

Schuey is just saying what the world of racing already knows and he should. Gordon and another NASCAR driver was invited to Mark Webber’s Jaguar team during a Grand Prix race two years ago and clearly you saw their awe of the organization, engineering, technology, and money spent — even for a second tiered racing team such as Jaguar.

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As the saying goes: “RACING IMPROVES THE BREED.” And NASCAR ain’t it. You want pinnacle engineering and designs, you want trickle down technology? Then F1 is it.

Schuey is just saying what the world of racing already knows and he should. Gordon and another NASCAR driver was invited to Mark Webber’s Jaguar team during a Grand Prix race two years ago and clearly you saw their awe of the organization, engineering, technology, and money spent — even for a second tiered racing team such as Jaguar.”

You know why sports car series and open wheel series struggle in the US? It’s because of this “holier then though” attitude. NASCAR is not only popular in the US but it has made huge strides in the US and will be in Canada any year now. Biggoted attitudes about racing series and cars you worship and yet know nothing about is why people are turned off fromyour “real” racing series. Meanwhile everytime you whine on about how we are all dumb and talk about dated sports cars that dominate small fielded series the Frances get richer and richer.

US should be Mexico, my bad.

first, thank you Arne for being the first person on this board to actualy watch f1 and know that alonso is world champion and that in this entire season most teams use v8 engines. That said, there is 1 rev limited air limited ferrari v10 team. As for schumi’s comment, i completely agree. any half minded brain dead monkey could drive an oval for hours on end, but it takes the creme of the crop to drive in f1. And he is right, who would want to go from driving the fastest cars on the planet to driving souped up fords and chevys?

I completely agree. NASCAR is boring. It’s all about the cult of personality. NASCAR in the 60’s and early 70’s was cool. Cars that raced back then could be bought at your local dealership.

I like the movie (cars)

“It’s because of this “holier then though” attitude.”

Completely agree with that. Series like F1 forgot that motorsport, like any sport, is for the fans. I never go to F1 races here in Europe. The teams are too preoccupied with themselves to care about the fans at the track. They see them as unwelcome intruders. Really annoying atmosphere with those arrogant snobs that won’t let you anywhere near where the action is (the pit boxes for example). The TV screen is as close as they want you to get.

However i do like high-tech race cars so NASCAR doesn’t really satisfy. Series like F1 have to be much more open / transparant with a friendly casual atmosphere for the fans.

With the exception of peterg, none of you seem to know what you’re talking about when it comes to F1.

Alonso doesn’t win EVERY race, just most of them. All teams run 2.4L V8’s with the exception of Toro Rosso. They run a rev & air limited COSWORTH V10.

NASCAR is boring. Unless you’ve lost a few IQ points. “Lookee there. Dem cars dun did crash. Whoowee, gimme another beer!”

ALL other forms of motor racing are fun.

The Texan has spoken. You may now attempt to flame me firm in the knowledge that I don’t care what you say. That’s just how I roll.

I enjoy NASCAR, F1, GT. Schumacher can have his opinion about NASCAR. Perhaps he might find the “under-developed” car a bit more challenging to get around a race track then he perceives, or would like to admit. With the F1 cars having so much downforce, traction control, launch control, blah blah blah..trying to drive a 3400 pound race car right on the edge of control for 500 miles, going 3 wide into a turn only several inches apart…I imagine Schumacher would find it a little more than boring, and quite a challenge.

I’d also like to see some of those F1 pit robots service a car like the NASCAR guys have to. Can they make it any more boring? One guy for every wheel, one big wheel nut, a guy there to tell the driver where to stop and when to put the car in gear, two guys on each end to raise the car, and a fuel hose that my grandmother could probably fuel the car up without a problem. Sure it’s fast…but that’s boring Michael, as is most F1 races after the first lap.

Actually Gary, the quickness of the pitstop is what makes it exciting. If someone get it wrong, the pitstop goes longer, therefore the driver loses precious seconds and maybe a place or two. It’s a team sport. Everyone working together to make a winning team.

As for the control needed for CRASHCAR, please. Those guys are the most unfit characters in motorsport. Why do you think there are so many crashes in NASCAR? Lack of control.

Also, there is no launch control in F1.

Uh Tim, the same goes for NASCAR, or any motorsports that involve pit stops. Or does the pit stop just matter in F1 according to you. What a stupid comment you just made. Lose time in the pits, lose position on the track. Works the same for both. In F1, there’s so much separation between drivers on the track, that coming into the pits for a green flag stop doesn’t even mean a lost position sometimes. Hell, I’ve seen it plenty of times where a driver goes into the pits and still comes out ahead of the 2nd place car. That’s exciting racing let me tell ya. Don’t get me wrong. I can sit down a watch an F1 race and enjoy it just as much as NASCAR, but mainly for the thrill of watching how the cars handle and sound. But for races being decided by .003 seconds, you’ll never see that in F1. The race winner usually is apparent early on in the race.

Regarding your comment about NASCAR drivers being unfit…please. There may be some that carry a few extra pounds, but unfit, you’re way off. And your claim that the crashes are due to being unfit. You’re a total whack! I guess they just get so tired after a few laps, they just crash. Well I guess the F1 boys at the US Grand Prix much have really been tired to crash on the 1st lap. Damn weaklings! Couldn’t even make it a lap…now see how idiotic your comment was Tim.

It seems americans are a tad sensitive about people from other countries insulting what they like. However, americans do the same all the time without even thinking about it. How do you like your medicine.

The only thing idiotic is you. That crash was caused by someone who’s going to NASCAR next year. I guess he was just practicing for his new career. Please, tell me NASCAR guys are more fit that F1 guys. I’d love to see everyone laughing at you.

Now, as for pit stops, it often does come down to tenths of a second. Especially further down the grid. That’s where a lot of the fun racing has been happening lately. Try paying attention during a race. Or, better yet, just keep your mouth shut. The boys in the white coats will come get you and take you away again. That’s a good boy.

#4, btw F1 engines are currently reving over 19,000 RPM and they’re already switched to the V8 formula.

# 40. Do you mean the H16 not the v16.
Because I’m pretty sure it was an H configuration not a V.

Hay Timmy did you know south park made a character about you? Lets start with the fact that f1 is a top level racing series and those drivers are in excellent condition. But layoff, if driving NASCAR was so easy everybody would do it, make a couple million for just doing circles. all forms or racing have there difficulty’s but when was the last time you watch 43 cars change the lead in a 500 mile race over 50 time. When was the last time there were more than 5 lead changes in an f1 race? They are different forms of racing and require different strategies. If you think it takes no talent and it is easy enough for anyone to do it, they have driving schools, or just ride a longs if you’re too cheap. One thing that NASCAR has going for it is the fact that they are accessible and are giving of time and money, this is something unique with NASCAR where almost every one of the drivers, owners, and crews are going to bend over backwards to help when just about anyone needs them. I now Schumacher care allot during the tsunami but who else did, and what other charities are they taking care of when there is not such a big disaster? And not all of us watch for wrecks, it is bound to happen in any motor sport as they all push the equipment past there limits, that’s how the winner is decided.

my sentiments exactly… wants the point of racing around an oval????

most motorsports in america are about top speed or acceleration!

Um mike maybe ya should consider NASCAR cause you getting ya ass handed to you…..again I repeat again in F1 this year….your done son…buh bye see ya

Yea, it’s SO fun watching an F1 race with MAYBE one pass for the lead during the whole damn race… NASCAR is routinely exciting.

NASCAR is boring as hell, barely any innovative technology, boring tracks and tons of other bad things about it. The only good thing about NASCAR is that it might be a place for those F1 drivers who are losing their edge. Driving in an large oval should still be cake for those F1 drivers.

both nascar and Fi are boring (more so nascar) i live in australia and V8 Supercars is more exiting than both of these, do you guys get V8 Supercars in America?

Agreed. Driving around in ovals is stupid, even a monkey could do it. NASCAR really should try to make the tracks a little more “exciting”…

NASCAR is just a stupid excuse for redneck speed junkies to drive fast without having to think. at least German DTM racing takes talents and doesnt bore the hell out of you. but if people want to waste their money and time watching and supporting the world’s most pointless “sport”, dont let my Swiss ass stop you.

Nascar is for white trash inbred honkies

“White trash”? As opposed to what?

both of those aren’t very interesting. Watch DTM racing or WRC. Both of those have cars that are based on REAL cars….

Nascar is a social event. I went to about 65 different university ‘clubs’ but it was not to engage in club activities.

I’m sorry, but Nascar does suck compared to F1. People who like Nascar will never understand F1. They like close races in old technology that’s just the simple fact. If you notice, what I think is funny, alot of people in the US like Nascar, but tons more in the world like F1. Nascar needs to wake up…

So 1c3d0g, you say “Even a monkey could could do it”. Doesn’t say much for you. I doubt you could get around Darlington one lap before finding the wall. Much more to it than just driving around in ovals but obviously you’re talking a lot about something to know nothing about.

nascar and f1 and moto gp bike racing is all boring rally x is ok drifting is ok but watching peopel race and calling it a sport is dumb

Ok, so lets hear your one-sided definition of a “sport”

i watch nascar for the crashes…i guess that makes me a sadist..

pjpj, nascar isnt a sport, neither is drifting. F1 takes physical endurance, tactical knowledge, and the will to win, and rally is even harder. i dont know what you consider a sport, but most think of a sport as an event that involves all of those. and moto gp i think is even more demanding.

NASCAR is only popular because it’s on after COPS. What happens is all the Jim Bobs are looking for themselves on TV and while watching get blown by their sisters then fall asleep leaving the TV on. Thus, I present to you high ratings for NASCAR.

I think what Schumaker is really trying to say is how much he loves to suck big french **** and balls!

Even I could drive around in a circle for 500 laps. People who want money go for NASCAR. Real drivers who thrive on excitement go to F1.

F1’s exciting. The best Technology on 4 wheels.

NASCAR is boring. Bunch of cars driving in circles for 200+ laps, and most of the drivers are not in shape, and that kinda tells you that NASCAR is not that demanding, like baseball. A 300lbs person plays Baseball and gets 10-20 millions a year…:S

F1’s like Basketball and Soccer (Demanding)
Nascar’s like watching TV and Baseball (Every one can do it)

Yes, we of the proletariat love to hear the French national anthem, the Spanish national anthem, the Ferarri national anthem, the Renault national anthem…; and long to feel the glaze of cheap champagne glistening from the Euroautobourgeoisie and the paparazzi.
Stirring, I tell you, stirring.

mike #4 -
I watch F1 for the skill, technology

Senna’s steering wheel fell off at 200 MPH – now that’s skill & technology!

#96: obviously I know more about it than you do. Do us all a favor and keep believing that your stupid NASCAR races require any sort of skill. Deep down you know where to find the real race car drivers…

Schumacher’s arrogance as always, will anyone make him shut up?

I agree with that comment.

Schuey obviously hasn’t driven a 200lap race which lasts for 3hours and most of that time your pulling around 3G in the coners.

Enough said really.

Try it schumacher!!!

Schuey obviously hasn’t driven a 200lap race which lasts for 3hours

The grand, glorious FIAA cars don’t last 200 laps. That’s why so many Europeans drive… ah… er… bicycles and mopeds. (And an occasional “fix it again tony” – maybe a â€?¿Smart car?.)

Hey Matt, why go for 3Gs when you can have 5Gs under braking and 4Gs in high speed corners. NASCAR SUCKS ASS.

sh. And that is why most Europeans aren’t as obese as the American counterparts.

Just another load of posts by 12 year old flaming potty mouths who have never been to any of these races.
Lets assume for a second that we are all adults, and all racing fans. If that was the case we would recognize the good and bad of both series. One isn’t really better than the other, just different and everyone has their preferences.
NASCAR cars are not low tech, if you think thats the case, you should get educated. They are heavier than F1 cars and are not allowed much downforce so they are dealing with very limited traction and are very slippery to drive. They deal with extreme aerodynamic issues vs. the F1 extreme downforce and little or no aero issues in traffic.
I prefer road racing and sports cars, but I appreciate the skill and endurance required to operate any type of auto at high speed.
All racing is good because it keeps the industry viable and keeps the dollars flowing to companies that support such things. We should all consider ourselves racing fan brothers instead of opponents.
We all ‘get it’ because we love horsepower and speed and competetion that comes from people using machines to push themselves to extreme limits.
If you like one better than the other thats cool the stupid F-this and F-that and NASCAR is easy and for rednecks is pretty lame. And in terms of fitness, I think the new generation of Cup drivers are not taking that for granted and appear to be pretty fit for the most part.
Lets also not forget that guys like Tony Stewart, Jeff Gordon and Robby Gordon are accomplished drivers in several types of racing and cars and are well respected all over the world for it.

Fatstrat: I’ve never even heard of those three drivers you listed before now. But even a toilet cleaner in Russia knows who Montoya is.

DTM is something I’d never looked into but that 94-95 vid looks awesome – thanks!

Was getting bored of F1 anyway!

Still love a bit of WRC… I wish I was 23 in the Group B rally days… *sigh*

Hey ‘proud’ I hope you aspire to one day be more than a toilet cleaner.
Real racing fans pay attention to news of the sport which generally includes all major series of which, like it or not, NASCAR is one.

I know NASCAR isn’t really that low tech. But I am bothered by the fact I’m still watching heavy steel barges (/rant) go round a track. Cars on which car manufactures and sponsors spend huge sums of money every year to develop. Why hasn’t all that money made those cars perform like IndyCars with doors? IRL cars perform way better, because of their weight, aerodynamic package, sophisticated engine and so on.
I mean that is mainly why I prefer watching IRL over NASCAR if we’re talking about American racing.
I watch the Indy500 every year, and I know there’s also a NASCAR race to watch (Charlotte if I’m not mistaken) on the same day, but I usually can’t be bothered anymore after seeing those IndyCars.
I like DTM because those cars are like F1 cars with doors. DTM is as close as you can get with a ’stock car’ to F1 performance.

[...] I don’t really care for Michael Schumacher, but after his latest quote, he is my new favorite person. “What do you see in Nascar? What is exciting about it? I can’t see that, running around in ovals…” via Leftlane. [...]

“NASCAR cars are not low tech, if you think thats the case, you should get educated.”

Any form of transportation that has a steering mechanism is designed to turn left and right.
Any form of transportation that has a breaking mechanism is designed to slow down and/or to stop in the moment the pilot or driver chooses or needs to.

Racing machines whether they be cars, motorbikes, aeroplanes, or boats are configured– if not designed– to perform better at turning (in both directions), accelerating and decelerating than their regular counterparts; and in order for those machines to do that, advanced technologies are developed and employed.

If NASCAR cars are indeed “not low tech”, what technologies then are used in them that we do not find in the design and manufacture of regular automobiles? Please educate us.

I grew up watching F1. So sue me but, in concept, yeah ovals are of course less challenging, but what Schumi is refering to is that ovals being only left hand turns is the boring, not challenging enough aspect of it, he’s not saying that he would win em all if he were to participate. He’s not speaking out of arrogance guys, but fans like me just have to have our road courses to hold our interest. Why do some die hard NASCAR fans have to knock on open wheel saying that its too low tech. I just must obviously be REALLY STUPID!!! but when was the last time I saw a Nascar Nextel cup car with a fuel injected, pneumatic valve, 2.4L 750+ BHP V8? I guess i’m blind too. Alright, time for the Nascar fans to start swearing at me.

He still Makes a $hitload more money per season than any 5 nascar drivers put together. You ignorant Fu*ks want to make a pissing contest out of this than go the fu** ahead go**mn it!!! I am so tired of fu**ing immaturity and no go**mnbody being able to have an intelligent conversation they always have to fu**ing make condescending remarks at each other. Signs of being to f’ing iggnorant to have decent conversation. What do nascar fans have so against Formula 1 anyways. You know there was a time when I was trying my damndest to learn and respect Nascar. Ever since then I just get smart@$$ remarks thrown into my face. If thats the kind of friendliness(or lack there of!) that i’ll get at a Nascar race, then no freakin thanks!!! Now for cryin out loud go ahead bi*ch, whine, moan, groan, and complain about how this F1 fan here is such an f’n @$$hole. You know what you’re right but guess who was the @$$hole first!!!

pls someone kill that cheater

comparing fi with nascar is like comparing america with madagaskar. f1 is f1. i love it

I agree with Schumi on this one. Low-developed racecars, using carburetted 1960s-style engines and fake headlights, driving on a oval turning left 4x per lap can hardly be fun watching. About as exciting as watching cricket (or paint drying)……

Nascar Nextel Cup cars have nothing to do with stock production cars. The Somebody made a comment he “loves Nascar and his Dodge Stratus”. How ridiculous a comparison is this? One is a rear-wheel drive pushrod V-8 purpose-built race car, and the other a front-wheel drive V-6 family sedan. How can Nascar call itself a “stock-car racing series” when the dinosaurs they drive are not serially built?

Trans-Am series is actual stock car racing, because they drive modified Jaguars, Mustangs and other production cars. That, plus the fact it is run on road courses, not boring ovals, makes it a bit like the German Touring Car Championship (DTM).