put lipstick on a pig and its still a pig

If they want to broaden the market for this vehicle, they need to give it IRS for the people that also want to go around corners quickly.

LOL!
That’s a pretty powerful pig though. It’s about time Shelby has offered a real Shelby modified ’stang instead of just licensing their name for use.

Hey Homeboy, or Ian I should say, how can you hate Ford so much when you love your “mum’s” Volvo?! Don’t you know who makes Volvo these days?

I’m thinking the reason there is no IRS is……

700+ horsepower + IRS + slicks = broken half shafts.

It’s already too heavy: big brakes, stiffer suspension and carbon hood are just a bandaids.

Does anyone know what the sticker price will be? Not including the stealership mark up.

“but fords in the US are much better that the ones in the US”

Your honor, I rest my case.

How about a IRS???

Any production car that can hit Nascar speeds (even though Nascar sucks) is a good car IMO. I just want to know the price because it’s going to be astronomical. I’m sure there are/will be better cars in its price range that offer more.

Huh? Anyway, I don’t really care how feel about Ford or any other manufacturer. You’re free to your own opinions. How about you clean up your posts though and stop being such an ass? Are you capable of a decent discussion?

Unfortunately, this type of car will almost certainly be in the $60K-$80K region. Investors will buy it, put a mile on it, then store it for 20 years. We’ll see it again just in time for the 2027 Barrett Jackson Auto Auction.

by putting this much power into a mustang with the linked rear axle, its just going to exagurate the problem with that archaic suspension even more.
i’d guess that ford is only doing this b/c they will be able to charge a rediculus amount for these stang’s and they will probably be really profitable.

For the price, I will take a Z06.

Thank you.

The real question is will it be able to tame 725 hp under the hood. I dont think so. There only doin this because the new camaro is about to see production.

Why are so many people whining that there is a horsepower race again?

Maybe some posters should start their own website, MPG Monthly and leave sites like this to enthusiasts.

Ford needs to stop shoveling Mustang variants down our throats and actually make a viable muscle car. No way in hell will I spend a huge amount of money on a car that needs 700hp to do what many other offerings do with 400-500hp.

Maybe a lot of you didn’t actually read the article, or even the headline. Ford is not making this car, it’s being built by Shelby Automobiles. Shelby is using parts from Ford Racing to build a street car. So this would be bought directly from Shelby Automobiles. I’m not saying a few of these cars won’t make their way into dealerships (notice the original Super Snake was actually built for a Ford dealership), but this is not an official Ford project.

And this car better be as fast as NASCAR, because it’s certainly got as much badging as NASCAR.

I thought the original Super Snake was an AC Cobra Carroll Shelby built for himself. He built a 2nd one for Bill Cosby or some celebrity who wrecked it shortly after they got it. That car got passed around and then disappeared until recently. Some guy had it hidden from the IRS in Canada. They tracked it down finally and it made it’s way to the Barrett Jackson Auction this year.

P O S

The Corvette in the previous column will never be this:

A desirable classic in 40 years.

Sorry, but this Mustang trumps the Corvette.

In Style
In Attitude
In Design
In Interior
In Soul (made by car lovers not a damn committee)

Maybe GM can buy one of these and learn something.

yeah lets have gm learn from a rustang, sure buddy, good one. seriosly though i would drive this over a challenger, but lets not compare this to the vette for the mustangs sake, mustangs cant beat a vette through the twisties no matter the hp. but you can have 3 passengers with the stang.

funny how a 427 bhp car can only reach 170.

It would take 725hp to push a Rustang anywhere near the speed of a 505hp Z06.

Piablo

The Super Snake was indeed a Mustang GT500. Here is a link with the info

http://www.nvsaac.com/gallery/1967_shelby_gt500_18.htm

I believe the Cobras were simply referred to the serial numbers?

GBilbo070, 427 actually refers to the displacement of the engine in cubic inches, and not the horsepower rating. I’m not sure exactly how much horsepower the original Super Snake had. The 427, to the best of my knowledge, wasn’t actually an available engine on production Mustangs in 1967, although there was a 425bhp 427 offered in the ‘67 Ford Galaxie.

And it’s also worth noting that, in 1967, 170mph was pretty much as fast as anything on the road was going.

One interesting point, though, is that if I remember correctly, the original Super Snake wasn’t actually tuned for power, but rather was tuned specifically for handling. So the engine may have been more-or-less untouched, while the suspension was completely re-worked. Hence the car’s appearance on the Goodyear test track for use in a tire promotion film.

GBilbo070

That is a 427 cid engine, not 427 horsepower. That was also back in the late sixties. A cars’ coefficient of drag wasn’t exactly on par by todays standards. Basically that was f-ing FAST

It was also a Cobra:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_Cobra#Super_Snake

I appreciate American muscle cars and their place in this industry. My buddy has an 05 Mustang and I’ve hung out with him on some Mustang club events. But, I just wish that Ford and in this case Shelby, incorporated a holistic approach at building muscle cars. All they seem to care about is the “look at me, i’m a badass” styling, and a 9000 HP engine to trump GMs latest offering. They are without regard to interior quality and craftsmanship, new technology, or any other engineering that is not associated with straight-line speed.

Don’t forget that the 427 Ford won several Lemans races, until the French out-ruled them! This was in 1966, ‘67 and a couple more years. Even today in some drag classes, the 427 Ford is an engine to be very aware of. Ford has raced and dominated just about every form of racing in the World, until they can’t be beat, then they get over-ruled. You can generally do more with an American push-rod V8 with less time and money than with any other so-called “sophisticated” engine. And don’t forget that Shelby GT-350’s dominated Class B road racing against Corvettes and everything from abroad, with the poor little old Ford HP289 V8.

The Mustang is excellent and all, but at one point like at about $60K, the consumers are going to look elsewhere for a good sports car.

nowei

I wouldn’t take entries on Wiki serious unless you have multiple sources backing it up. It is an open source site which means anyone can get on there and write what they want.

The Mustang in its current form is best staying at the Mustang GT level, where it was simply an affordable sporty rear-driver with a back seat. If they truely want a performance Mustang, Ford needs to develop a less crude platform.

700 horse with warranty = dont think so

This is the Super Snake I was referring to…
http://www.supercars.net/cars/3694.html

Why aren’t they still producing the Ford GT? Why not build a Ford GT “Shelby Special”? Why not build that other Shelby concept that resembles the Dodge Daytona?

Most of all, why aren’t they giving a 725+ horsepower Shelby Mustang that weighs 3900lbs an indepdendent rear suspension?

My 1969 Mustang with a 302 weighed roughly 3000lbs without a driver. A 5.0 EFI 302 can do wonders for that car because the weight is just right. Why is Ford so inept that it can’t build a high performance V8 Mustang under 3100lbs?

When it’s a better idea to find a used rear drive Japanese car to stick a Ford or Chevrolet V8 into for power than to go out and buy a porky Mustang that isn’t nearly as fast and has poor and sloppy handling… something is definitely wrong.

1) Ford doesnt build these, Shelby does.

2) Nearly everything “bad” about the Ford Mustang is being replaced in this SuperSnake: the whole suspension, transmission, short-throw, damper bars, brakes, the engine is tuned…. so to the say “put lipstick on a pig and it’s still a pig” or to argue about “Ford reliability” is just STUPID.

The only thing in common this SuperSnake has to the Mustang is the chassis, which is a good chassis if you ever driven the new Stangs, which I’m willing to bet CASH none of you have.

This is going to be one hell of a ride, probably for one hell of sticker price too. But I’m glad it’s out there, Ford needs any good press they can get, even if it’s through 3rd party manufacturers.

Leftlanenews needs moderators to screen out people with reading disabilities and idiot teenagers who are talk tough behind the computer…

Independent rear suspension………….this car is NOT trying to be a Z06, Porsche or whatever or any other car. It is a Mustang, albeit a high priced one. It is being made mostly for Mustang collectors and the very few that will actually drive them. It is a 60’s throw back and is more for drag racing than road racing. If they ever gets driven.

what is “warranted” LLN?

———->nooo duuhh A4, lol warranted means just what it says, it means that the dealer gives you a warranty with the package….”not warranted” means they don’t

I like to think that if I’m ever looking to buy a sculpture I will buy an actual sculpture.

I agree Wickeddated, Ford can definitely use some good press. I was extemely let down when the first Shelby Cobra came out the other year, and it was merely a licensed name gimmick. This is truely a new Shelby and I would pay a hefty sum to get five minutes behind the wheel. It’s just a bummer these vehicles are basically priced out of reality these days leaving investors the only ones who can afford them.

STOP compearing apples to oranges (read Mustang to Corvette). Mustang is not in the same class! You could compare it to Trans Am and Camaro, oh… wait they don’t make ‘em since ‘04, but Mustang is still here! It was the car that started Pony Cars and still here after fourty odd years. Camaro is only coming back in 2009.

Dirty!!!!! More horse power means more speed = a happy me!!!!

Wow! Some of you need to do some research. I’ve been checking this site for the last few months now and I really cant believe the very uninteligent comments some of the regulars leave. Yes this car is a pig but at 725hp it will walk any car out there in accelleration. A regular GT500 with less hp has already ran high 9s, so that should give you an idea. This and the Blue Devil Vette will be the two fastest cars you can buy for under 200k.

Good post Wickedated.

Uh, the GT500 is a 13 second car, so I don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.

Heres the problem, and Top Gear did a test on the GT 500 Shelby… you can not, and i repeat CAN NOT! give a car 500+ horse power and leave the suspension the same! so basically all you have is a fast and powerful car, sounds good, but its only good in a straight line. plus the suspension in that car is pretty much the same as the old 69 mustang, just shows you how far ford has come along in technology.

maddawg u really are mad. The new GT500 suspension is light years ahead of the suspension in a 69 mustang. For the retards who dont know anything about the GT500, go back to the august 2006 edition mustangs and fast fords magazine. They did a drag test and the quickest time achieved was a 12.25 in the quarter mile. Its a low 12s car so stop making up quarter mile times. I hope they build these cars their gonna own the 09 camaro and challenger. Its still amazes me how people still compare the Mustang (A.K.A. The Legend) to chevy’s supposedly supercar. lol Its amazing how jealous these chevy nutthugers are.

How about variants that don’t have to do with spead increases? How about a moonroof, or a hardtop convertible variant?

Umm Its Sounds To Me Its Trying To Compete With The Vette 600+ Horse I Guarantee Gm Will Never Make A Camaro With That Kind Of Power

I never claimed the 2005 Mustang suspension was the same as a 1969 Mustang suspension. I just find it very funny that Ford is still building an expensive muscle car with a live rear axle on their range topping models that go for $60k+. Yup. I get it that a Mustang is not a Corvette, M3, or Porsche 911. Not the way it handles, certainly not. It is Ford’s sole flagship performance car, too so until the Camaro and Challenger come along to toss its cheapness aside they are competing with themselves.

I understand that collectors will want a genuine Shelby GT500. They are the only ones who can afford them anyway. Let them have it by all means.

Just don’t be mistaken in thinking that I didn’t want to improve the road manners or my 1969 model when I did own it. Of course I did! There are thousands of dollars worth of modifications you can make to those old cars to make them handle much better than they ever did from the factory. I liked to drive my Mustang and enjoy it more than just drag race it. Call me crazy.

Come 38 years after it was made, you bet your wallet I expect Ford to deliver a similar car of similar weight and power that is a great roadracer base. A $25k GT V8 isn’t that impressive out of the box if you want a car that handles well while driving fast at the limit in windy roads that sometimes have these things called bumps and imperfectons that live axles tend to dislike. This is Ford’s only entry level sportscar, remember.

The Shelby Super Snake Mustang will be an amazing car but I personally want to see the Mustang as a modern all around package for reasonable money which can of course can have room to be souped up.

The Super Snake might as well be another car entirely and it will impress, but I still wouldn’t pay for a $70k-$100k for a 600HP car with a live rear axle.

I’d rather spend that much money on a used Ferrari, or get a really sweet work truck like the F450!

I love how people compare Mustangs to supercars. Even us Americans know a stock Stang is better suited for straight line. But I love how Maximum Motorsports built an older Fox bodies stang and beat a Ferrari on a road course with it. Watch here comes the “the Ferrari driver can’t drive” comments. Never underestimate a Mustang with the right suspension setup or you will be embarrassed when you get spanked.

If you want to go around a track buy an FR500C and own all or get a damn ZO6. The Mustang has never been the ultimate handling car unless modified. In fact it’s probably the most modifiable car out there, ever. If you want to drag it, it will make an awesome drag car. If you want to road race it there are plenty of parts to make it compete with the best. But Ford’s philosophy with the Mustang or Cobra is to own the streets. The majority of people that buy cars like Vipers, Vettes, Mustangs, etc dont roadrace them, they have them because they want a fast good looking comfortable car for the street that they can drive around daily. The Mustang will never handle like a Ferrari from the factory, thats what the GT is for.

“Uh, the GT500 is a 13 second car, so I don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.”-PrimeGTP

Seriously do some research or simple logic. A 445whp/3850lb car is gonna run the 1/4 faster than 13s. If you want to know how efficient the new Shelby is compared to the old 03-04 Cobra check out Evolution Motorsport’s GT500. With the same mods that would propel a 03 cobra through the 1/4 in the low 11s maybe 10.90s their GT500 is hitting 9.90s @145. Keep in mind that this is with less than 5k in mods and is probably putting out 20-30 more hp than the 725hp Shelby is advertising.

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/coupes/0607_2007_ford_shelby_gt500/driving_characteristics.html

“Our best run hauled us to 60 mph in 4.9 seconds and through the quarter mile in 13.1 seconds at a heady 115 mph.”

Several other sources quote similar times. And many of these magazines are notoriously biased against domestic cars. So don’t tell me to do my research.

Prime GTP automobilemag is pure bs. They need to find better drivers because the GT500 runs low 12s.

MC: Says a FORD magazine.

Haha, PrimeGTP you crack me up. I just grabbed the closest car mag next to me which was the new Car & Driver, flipped to the back to the car specs. It says the GT500 runs a 1/4 in 12.9 w/ a 0-60 in 4.5. To back that up Road & Track’s specs show 1/4 mile in 12.8 @ 113.2 w/ a 0-60 of 4.6. So I’d say you claim of 13s only in the 500 is complete crap. If you want to magazine race fine, I just proved you wrong with the two biggest car enthusiast magazines in circulation. What you obviously dont realize is that the magazine drivers suck cause they’re not getting much time in the cars. Look for real orwld numbers from people who actually own the cars, not magazines. Have you ever heard of the a guy who goes by the name Ranger? He drives Z06s and has achieved an 11.8 in a bone stock C5 Z06, and I believe he catapulted the new C6 Z to an 11.2 BONE STOCK!!! That’s quite a bit less than the 11.8 that most of the magazines were rating it at. So it’s true the GT500 is definately a 12.2 car because it was driven by a Mustang expert who knows the car. If you look around enough you’ll find Mustang GT owners hitting 13.1-13.4s easily stock.

13 seconds or 12 seconds, who cares?! The weather has more to do with it than drivers. So one test was done in hot as balls weather and the other was a cool 60. I’ll wager any of the magazine editors against the “official” Mustang driver any day. The editors usually have a racing background.

Anyway, Car and Driver just rated the Ford Shelby GT500 the worst in their latest comparison against a 350Z, AudiTT, and RX8. Not by a teensy weensy itty bitty bit either. Anyone who says car mags are biased towards American cars has got their head on backwards. Sure the Mustang is not like the others, but they tore it apart. When has a Caddy ever won a luxury comparison? The only domestic vehicles I know of consistantly winning anything is the Chevrolet Silverado, and the Chevrolet Corvette. And the Corvette still doesn’t win them all. When did a Buick or Dodge win something? The Solstice won a comparison, then 3 months later it was taken back, given to Miata yet again. Domestic bias? Give me a break.

Oh my god, 12.9 vs 13.1, I’ve been completely skewered! And I’m still confused as to how 12.9 = 9.0

Sorry, 9.9. I don’t know why people are talking about MODDED times for a GT500 here, they are completely irrelevant.

Wow, why all the hostility? GT500 sell for 15k over MSRP. Vette’s sell for a few hondo over invoice, HMM…

Piablo that comparison was with the Shelby GT not GT500, theres a 175hp difference. Not that many of them have a racing background. Brock Yates is the only one off the top of my head that I can think of, but he doesnt even test the cars. Wheather makes a difference but not as much as you say. You’ll usually only see a .1-.2 second difference in wheather extremes. The truth is magazine racing is stupid cause the drivers all suck.

Well they may be only a few tenths off but thats a big difference when drag racing. Prime if it’s not a big deal why didn’t you just admit it was capable of running 12s in the first place? You stated that it was a 13.1 car as to degrade the cars performance as sub-par and not capable of running with the big boys in the 12s or 11s. I proved you wrong and now you’re all butt-hurt and are making up stupid excuses. At those speeds .2 of a second is at least a car length and thats a lot in a drag race. Are you just mad cause the Japanese havn’t yet produced a car that can perform like that out of the box?

Modded times are completely relevent considering all the domestic auto companies build their performance cars now to be modified by the owners. Plus I was trying to give everyone an idea of how this 725hp Shelby might perform. The GT500 was referred to as a pig which is true but Ford still managed to make the car very efficient with the power it has and very capable (9s and 10s) with very little mods, and that’s what people like to hear, especially the hardcore enthusiasts. So no matter what you say the car is a success and you’re an idiot.

To sum up: It’s not the Mustang. It’s Mustang fans.

When did I ever compare it to the Vette and Viper? I used them as examples to make a point but never compared them to the cobra. The Z and Viper will destroy the Mustang in every way. The only Mustang that was ever able to compete with the 2 in accelleration and cornering was the Cobra R, other than that Mustangs have always been about straight line performance with mediocre handling abilities. To sum it up they’re a good “bang for the buck”. For 45k you’re not gonna get a 500hp car with the best handling, they just cant produce a car like that and sell it for 45k.

I think you’re a little out of touch with the performance market. Does Ford, GM, and Mopar release their parts catalogs just so you can look? Does Ford sell Wipple Superchargers so you can buy it and hang it up on your wall? That’s what the market is all about these days. Have you ever heard of the SEMA show? These performance engines that the Big Three are putting out are utterly bulletproof The 5.4 in the Shelby has seen upwards of 1000hp w/ a twin turbo setup (in a Ford GT) on the stock bottom end. Dont even get me started on the LSx motors and the Viper V10. If you’re busting these engines with minor mods you shouldnt be touching an engine period. When you buy a programmer for a car they usually come with tunes already built in for the mods you have so tuning isn’t really that much of an issue anymore as long as you or someone knows what they’re doing.

Prime, you’re way out of touch with the automotive industry. You obviously dont know how things work or you wouldnt be spouting your dumb biased comments. I dont even like the GT500 or the S197 for that matter. I think the 03-04s had a much cooler design, but I can’t stand when uninformed people like you talk all this **** that you read out of the magazines.

And yes I am a Mustang fan… and a fan of the Corvette, Viper and any other performance vehicle out there. What cars do you like cause every article I’ve read you and Homeboy do nothing but bash anything American.

Terminator, you’re either not reading or arguing for the sake of arguing, because we’re on the same page here, lol. I’m no japanese fan, if anything I’ve had my best experiences with General Motors. I also never claimed you compare anything to anything. It’s simple, the average Mustang fan is about as obsessed and out of touch with their car as the average Civic ricer. They will talk **** all the time about the other big performance cars in the market, and then when someone pros & cons them, they scream bloody murder that the cars shouldn’t be compared! And magazines perpetuate it by continuing to run “ZOMG VIPER VS Z06 VS GT500 TO TEH DEATH!!!” front pages like idiots.

Mustangs decent cars on their own merits but shouldn’t be compared to Vipers and Vettes? Ok, I fully agree with you!

But try telling into to the Mustang fan base out there that talks **** as long as they don’t have to actually put up.

Top speed of 170?! The Z06 hits 198 with only 505 HP. Sorry, Ford. I’ll laugh when the Camaro will reach 150-160 with only 430ish.

Me think with 600 or 725 Horses does’nt matter- I think they could make the Car hit 250 MPH if they wanted to. The question is will they. Whether or not it hits the mark I think its a superior car to a corvette which is a piece of garbage. And I don’t know why anyone would own one?! Except I would still drive the upcoming Toyota Hybrid Sports car which is superior to either a corvette and or Mustang. However, if I had a second favorite I would choose the Mustang it has a very aggressive look and very good bang for the buck as you americans say.

And if I have a choice of a third or fourth favorite sports car it would be a Audi or Porsche.