Comments on: Study: Mid-cycle facelifts largely a waste of time http://www.leftlanenews.com/study-mid-cycle-facelifts-largely-a-waste-of-time.html Car news, reviews, and specs for the auto-industry Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:43:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: winstrol http://www.leftlanenews.com/study-mid-cycle-facelifts-largely-a-waste-of-time.html#comment-230221 winstrol Thu, 17 Aug 2006 04:50:30 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/06/28/study-mid-cycle-facelifts-largely-a-waste-of-time/#comment-230221 winstrol <a href="http://winstrol.atspace.com/" rel="nofollow">winstrol</a> winstrol winstrol

]]> By: Surgical Facial Rejuvenation » Blog Archive » “endoscopic brow lift” - Laser Resurfacing and Facelifts http://www.leftlanenews.com/study-mid-cycle-facelifts-largely-a-waste-of-time.html#comment-186318 Surgical Facial Rejuvenation » Blog Archive » “endoscopic brow lift” - Laser Resurfacing and Facelifts Thu, 06 Jul 2006 22:18:41 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/06/28/study-mid-cycle-facelifts-largely-a-waste-of-time/#comment-186318 [...] Study: Mid-cycle facelifts largely a waste of time | Leftlane Or what about companies who make major facelifts, like BMW? I dunno, but the 7-Series facelift has generated alot of renewed interest in the car and I think the facelifted Z4’s are drawing alot of [...] [...] Study: Mid-cycle facelifts largely a waste of time | Leftlane Or what about companies who make major facelifts, like BMW? I dunno, but the 7-Series facelift has generated alot of renewed interest in the car and I think the facelifted Z4’s are drawing alot of [...]

]]> By: xmnr http://www.leftlanenews.com/study-mid-cycle-facelifts-largely-a-waste-of-time.html#comment-181582 xmnr Fri, 30 Jun 2006 19:13:08 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/06/28/study-mid-cycle-facelifts-largely-a-waste-of-time/#comment-181582 I think the cayman is a good example, given porsche is the king of mid-cycle "semi-new" models. don't believe me? how many model lines? I count 3 boxster/cayman (NO, they are not two! everything is interchangeable except for the roof! even the drivetrain options are the same) 911 cayenne total derivations? I count 24, not including the carrera GT or the upcoming panamera and its myriad models. boxster boxster S cayman cayman S carrera (+cabrio) (+eventual targa) carrera S (+cabrio) (+eventual targa) carrera 4 (+cabrio) (+eventual targa) carrera 4S (+cabrio) (+eventual targa) gt3 gt3 rs turbo (eventually cabrio) cayenne cayenne S cayenne turbo cayenne turbo S I think the cayman is a good example, given porsche is the king of mid-cycle “semi-new” models. don’t believe me? how many model lines?

I count 3
boxster/cayman (NO, they are not two! everything is interchangeable except for the roof! even the drivetrain options are the same)
911
cayenne

total derivations? I count 24, not including the carrera GT or the upcoming panamera and its myriad models.

boxster
boxster S
cayman
cayman S
carrera
(+cabrio)
(+eventual targa)
carrera S
(+cabrio)
(+eventual targa)
carrera 4
(+cabrio)
(+eventual targa)
carrera 4S
(+cabrio)
(+eventual targa)
gt3
gt3 rs
turbo
(eventually cabrio)
cayenne
cayenne S
cayenne turbo
cayenne turbo S

]]> By: Rene Curry http://www.leftlanenews.com/study-mid-cycle-facelifts-largely-a-waste-of-time.html#comment-180314 Rene Curry Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:31:07 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/06/28/study-mid-cycle-facelifts-largely-a-waste-of-time/#comment-180314 The article is flawed because the automakers haven't practiced facelifts that change the impact or style of the vehicle. You need to go back to the 50s and 60s to see any creative facelifts. The article is flawed because the automakers haven’t practiced facelifts that change the impact or style of the vehicle. You need to go back to the 50s and 60s to see any creative facelifts.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.leftlanenews.com/study-mid-cycle-facelifts-largely-a-waste-of-time.html#comment-180306 Anonymous Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:04:29 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/06/28/study-mid-cycle-facelifts-largely-a-waste-of-time/#comment-180306 Or what about companies who make major facelifts, like BMW? I dunno, but the 7-Series facelift has generated alot of renewed interest in the car... and I think the facelifted Z4's are drawing alot of interest with the introduction of the M trim-level as well. Just my observations, though. Would be kind of expensive to do a complete redesign every 3, 4, or even 5 years. Or what about companies who make major facelifts, like BMW?

I dunno, but the 7-Series facelift has generated alot of renewed interest in the car… and I think the facelifted Z4′s are drawing alot of interest with the introduction of the M trim-level as well.

Just my observations, though. Would be kind of expensive to do a complete redesign every 3, 4, or even 5 years.

]]> By: PJ http://www.leftlanenews.com/study-mid-cycle-facelifts-largely-a-waste-of-time.html#comment-180224 PJ Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:11:50 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/06/28/study-mid-cycle-facelifts-largely-a-waste-of-time/#comment-180224 Anonymous, do your parents know you're using language like that? Come back when your age hits double digits. Studies like this seem minimally useful not only because the finding is obvious, but also because "mid-cycle refresh" encompasses such a broad range of actions. The PT Cruiser's mid-cycle refresh, for example, genuinely improved the car's appearance and tactile quality inside and out. The same goes for the Chevy Impala, or the Jaguar S-Type. But then you have "mid-cycle refreshes" like the ones on the '06 Mazda 6 or Suzuki Forenza, where they've really just tweaked the grille and alloy wheel pattern. The average customer likely doesn't even see the difference, making the money involved a waste. So how is this study generalizing refreshes? - P.J. motoralley.com Anonymous, do your parents know you’re using language like that? Come back when your age hits double digits.

Studies like this seem minimally useful not only because the finding is obvious, but also because “mid-cycle refresh” encompasses such a broad range of actions. The PT Cruiser’s mid-cycle refresh, for example, genuinely improved the car’s appearance and tactile quality inside and out. The same goes for the Chevy Impala, or the Jaguar S-Type.

But then you have “mid-cycle refreshes” like the ones on the ’06 Mazda 6 or Suzuki Forenza, where they’ve really just tweaked the grille and alloy wheel pattern. The average customer likely doesn’t even see the difference, making the money involved a waste. So how is this study generalizing refreshes?

- P.J.
motoralley.com

]]> By: Hrm http://www.leftlanenews.com/study-mid-cycle-facelifts-largely-a-waste-of-time.html#comment-180207 Hrm Thu, 29 Jun 2006 00:02:28 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/06/28/study-mid-cycle-facelifts-largely-a-waste-of-time/#comment-180207 Toyota actually perfected flexible manufacturing. Toyota actually perfected flexible manufacturing.

]]> By: 1c3d0g http://www.leftlanenews.com/study-mid-cycle-facelifts-largely-a-waste-of-time.html#comment-180151 1c3d0g Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:58:47 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/06/28/study-mid-cycle-facelifts-largely-a-waste-of-time/#comment-180151 "Consumers are far more interested in recently redesigned models than "refreshed" or "facelifted" models, according to a study released today by J.D. Power." Duh! :roll: Even a monkey knows that. Why is it that they always seem to pick the most logical subject to base a "study" on? :-/ “Consumers are far more interested in recently redesigned models than “refreshed” or “facelifted” models, according to a study released today by J.D. Power.”

Duh! :roll: Even a monkey knows that. Why is it that they always seem to pick the most logical subject to base a “study” on? :-/

]]> By: 3_way http://www.leftlanenews.com/study-mid-cycle-facelifts-largely-a-waste-of-time.html#comment-180145 3_way Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:30:41 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/06/28/study-mid-cycle-facelifts-largely-a-waste-of-time/#comment-180145 Mike do you assume everyone is dumber than you and patronize them accordingly. It seems you were the only one to mistake Cockney Geezers statement as about car styling. It was obvious he was referring to your original post where you mention DCX style. I don't know who invented flexible manufacturing but I am certain it wasn't Daimler Chrysler Mike do you assume everyone is dumber than you and patronize them accordingly. It seems you were the only one to mistake Cockney Geezers statement as about car styling. It was obvious he was referring to your original post where you mention DCX style. I don’t know who invented flexible manufacturing but I am certain it wasn’t Daimler Chrysler

]]> By: Cockney Geezer http://www.leftlanenews.com/study-mid-cycle-facelifts-largely-a-waste-of-time.html#comment-180141 Cockney Geezer Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:25:20 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/06/28/study-mid-cycle-facelifts-largely-a-waste-of-time/#comment-180141 Yes Mike and i think Toyota invented that. Yes Mike and i think Toyota invented that.

]]> By: Mike http://www.leftlanenews.com/study-mid-cycle-facelifts-largely-a-waste-of-time.html#comment-180135 Mike Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:22:01 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/06/28/study-mid-cycle-facelifts-largely-a-waste-of-time/#comment-180135 Cockney Geezer: WE ARE TALKING ABOUT METHODS OF PRODUCTION! This is not about if you think an Aztec is attractive or not. Flexible Manufacturing. Cockney Geezer:
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT METHODS OF PRODUCTION! This is not about if you think an Aztec is attractive or not. Flexible Manufacturing.

]]> By: Cockney Geezer http://www.leftlanenews.com/study-mid-cycle-facelifts-largely-a-waste-of-time.html#comment-180118 Cockney Geezer Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:55:37 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/06/28/study-mid-cycle-facelifts-largely-a-waste-of-time/#comment-180118 DCX style lol lol lol lol lol lol Mike where did you dream that one up from? Id rather not look at a Caliber or a Compass thank you. You are mad you are, completely barking. DCX style lol lol lol lol lol lol Mike where did you dream that one up from? Id rather not look at a Caliber or a Compass thank you. You are mad you are, completely barking.

]]> By: scotty http://www.leftlanenews.com/study-mid-cycle-facelifts-largely-a-waste-of-time.html#comment-180116 scotty Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:52:32 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/06/28/study-mid-cycle-facelifts-largely-a-waste-of-time/#comment-180116 I was never around then, but there was a time when each year had vastly different looks, for the models...a time when american car companys were on top.. maybe having something new every year is what made them do so well? although, they had soul back then... I was never around then, but there was a time when each year had vastly different looks, for the models…a time when american car companys were on top.. maybe having something new every year is what made them do so well? although, they had soul back then…

]]> By: Jon http://www.leftlanenews.com/study-mid-cycle-facelifts-largely-a-waste-of-time.html#comment-180113 Jon Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:47:48 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/06/28/study-mid-cycle-facelifts-largely-a-waste-of-time/#comment-180113 I love the fact that the LLN picture shows a Porsche, which are known for their gradual ‘evolution’ of models and not complete redesigns. Jon. I love the fact that the LLN picture shows a Porsche, which are known for their gradual ‘evolution’ of models and not complete redesigns.

Jon.

]]> By: Mike http://www.leftlanenews.com/study-mid-cycle-facelifts-largely-a-waste-of-time.html#comment-180108 Mike Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:44:00 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/06/28/study-mid-cycle-facelifts-largely-a-waste-of-time/#comment-180108 The biggest difference is cost. As more manufacturers switch to a DCX style of flexible manufacturing, model turnaround becomes less expensive and the breakeven point is dramatically reduced. Keep a close eye on the Caliber/Compass/Patriot and Sebring/Avenger in comparison to the Pacifica and current PT for examples. on the lighter note, the study must have overlooked how the consumers FLOCKED to the Focus when ford added the Gillette Mach-3 sponsored grill. The biggest difference is cost. As more manufacturers switch to a DCX style of flexible manufacturing, model turnaround becomes less expensive and the breakeven point is dramatically reduced.

Keep a close eye on the Caliber/Compass/Patriot and Sebring/Avenger in comparison to the Pacifica and current PT for examples.

on the lighter note, the study must have overlooked how the consumers FLOCKED to the Focus when ford added the Gillette Mach-3 sponsored grill.

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