Use your brain for a minute and you understand why VW has Audi, Toyota created Lexus and Ford have Jaguar etc.
When was Ford trying to sell a 80k car, wonder why?

P.s. Audi is mainstream in the premium segment. Bentley is limited and Volkwagen is rare.

Also you have the VAG roles Confused. VW is mainstream, Audi is luxury and performance and Bentley is ultra premium luxury.

Do you think Volkswagen would design the chassis knowing that Audi has years worth of experience whereas Volkwagen have NONE. Sure the Toureg was designed by Volkwagen doesn’t mean the Pheatom is. For god sake just sit and think even for one minute, who woul;d actually know anything about designing big car Audi or Volkwagen? The biggest car Volkwagen had ever designed was the Passat. Audi was always gonna be the mainstream and Volkswagen(Cheap)/Bentleys(Expensive) derivatives.

More then me I think you don’t just need to get your facts right but actually need to start using some common sense

its just impossible for vw to expect their dealers to come up to the speed of a lexus dealer

If you know anything at all about the Phaeton then you know who designed it. It wasn’t Audi or Bentley, it was VW. It was made as a parting shot by a VW exec for VW. You need to do your homework, chump.

Try to remember who OWNS Audi and Bentley. VOLKSWAGEN!! If you have to start throwing smack around, then get your facts straight first. VW made the Phaeton first and separate for everything else… Of course you’ll tell us next that the Touareg was developed by AUDI or Porsche and not VW next, right? VW is the fount from which nearly all of VAGs tech flows.

If you know nothing, say nothing and learn. Damnable big-mouth.

I’ll take an Audi everytime. It has more style and attention to details even if it’s a bit overpriced given the durability. A nice toy if you’re planning to keep your car for no more than 2 years.

North Americans have a different perception, possibly due to years of the Cadillac/Lincoln brands, which, for the most part were standard Ford and GM products with landau roofs and opera lights, but were marketed under their own brand.

The only reason A Audi A8 passed the feasability test was by selling other variants on the same chassis. Thats where VW and Bentley would come in otherwise they would make a loss on every Audi A8 as they don’t sell enough to justify production for it.

P.s. The chassis was design by Audi in the beginning then VW and Bentley adapted it as they needed

Aside from the X-type, based on the Mondeo, which has been discontinued, as far as I care to know, what other Jaguars where based on FORDs? The S-type was the base for the Lincoln LS, NOT the other way around. The only good Lincoln in many years in my book, The XK and XJ are both Jaguar originals.

Am I missing anything?

Also, the Phaeton is A VW original. It is a platform not shared with any other car.. except maybe Audi. But this comes well after the Phaeton was launched. The only thing shared with any other divison, would be the W12, also a VW original.

Bentley makes there own stuff aside from engines in most cases. Bentley would drop dead in sells if anyone ever found out that they were buying or driving a dressed up cheap car. I mean I would look to sue if I found that out about my car that costs upwards of $300K or more.

But to be honest, I would be more likely to buy an Audi A8 than a Phaeton, if money where no object.

Some Jags have been “prettied” up Fords, and that’s why they haven’t been that great (the new XK is it’s own car, thank you Callum).

Even though this thing is boring looking, it is an amazing car. The W12 can do over 200 MPH. That puts it in a pretty elite club! It’s actually a stable-mate to the Bentley Continental GT.

So before you blow it off as a big Passat, how about giving it a tidbit of respect. And if you wan’t to race, it will whip your sorry rear end.

1. Mercedes Benz S550
2. Audi A8
3. BMW 750i
4. Lexus LS460
5. Jaguar XJ8

I’m not entirely sure where the Phaeton would fit in there, but I’m pretty sure it would be #6. It just doesn’t move me, now I know it’s a good car, underrated, blahblah, but if I’m spending that kind of paper it’s got to be something I’m passionate about. The XJ8 just needs to be redesigned, the styling is too old school on the exterior, the interior is cramped and uses Ford parts bin, I can’t even believe it competes in the same class as those other vehicles.

horrible idea to sell it in the us

its a really expensive VW with a nicer interior. sounds like an audi to me

I imagine this will have a high sticker price, and the dealers will have a take-it-or-leave-it attitude. The cars will be sitting around unsold in Europe anyway, might as well have some sitting around unsold in the US as well

If your the director of a company that is making cutbacks and you want need a new car that doesn’t look too flashy, but don’t want to sacrifice any luxuries, what could be better than this? Perhaps the directors at FoMoCo could consider them.

I love VWs, but the dealership experience is not going to impress anyone.

I’ll bet he is refering to the 2009 car.

The whole point of this car from the start was to take on the Mercedes S-class. Who in their right mind would take the Audi A8 let alone this over a Mercedes S-class, I don’t know.