Overall, import brands faired far better in registrations per franchise than the domestic automakers
no domestic brand cracked the top 10.
Hummer brand showed the biggest drop off in the entire industry.

That was for Commo and AMG
Hummer needs to come out with a Hybrid and FAST!
The Acura brand hasnt had anything new in the pipeline. The TSX just came out and the TL will be out I think this summer so that will change.
Its very well known that the TL is the #2 entry level luxury car behind the 3 series so its a proven sales winner. It also seems to be the car every other car company wants to be The perfect mix of luxury sport technology and affordability. I hope the next one isnt bloated
I think the Saturn sales are driven by the Outlooks and Vues I hear the Astra is eating it! Ill have to check though

Hummer is fighting a huge image problem. In some simple minds it exemplifies everything that isnt green. All models get poor mileage so of course in energy crisis era they will struggle. So it dropped 80 units per not surprised.
Acura dropped a near identical 79 units per, now thats a surprise. Whats their excuse?

Hummer needs a Suzuki samarai size rig, and a Wrangler fighter (both must be convertible). Diesel is on the way and will help some. Diet across the board, but that applies to everyone (sans Lotus).

I just can’t imagine anyone wanting to dish out so much cash for one of the most pointless vehicles on the road. Big, heavy, slow and of course horrible mileage. You can get an H2 used for so cheap, so many of these people who bought one have lost major money on them. But thats what you get for being both stupid and a show off.

I’m not surprised. Saturn has introduced a lot of new vehicles lately, and as Shaver said, Hummer has image problems. Besides Arnold, who can afford to buy gas for those things??

i’ll check out the used hummer market and see what’s up…maybe can score a deal now.

Hummers are just crap vehicles. Poor quality interiors, rudimentary engineering. Even if they were green they would be dire

What are you guys talking about? ANYBODY can afford a Hummer! 1115 doesn’t charge that much for one.

Somebody needs a Suzuki Samarai/Sidekick sized rig again. I’m not quite sure why Suzuki bailed out of that market. Ever try to find a good used one, especially the ‘89-’98 Sidekicks/Trackers/Sunrunners? They’re like gold. Trouble is half of them are stuck behind motor homes. I have a ‘92 Asuna Sunrunner and while it still runs like a top after 163k kms I know I’m going to eventually want to replace it. Problem is with what. The last generation with the 2.0l are good rigs too but they’re even harder to find than the older ones as not many of the 2 door convertibles were sold. And you say you want an X-90? That’s like looking for an honest car salesman.

exactly, who wants to drive a giant truck called a “blowjob” What you drive? I drive a big yellow blowjob.

I have not seen one Astra on the road yet.

Now perhaps if they made one in orange with a two-tone interior, a turbo-diesel engine and didn’t have yellow dash lights…. I would purchase one!

BTW, does Acura still make the two door version of the TSX…. RSX?

I don’t see what you are so excited about 1115. The Hummer brand drop off is expected because of the decreasing demand for SUVs. Imports also saw their SUV sales decrease, just not entire brands because imports don’t offer brands to consumers that are dedicated to SUVs.

The Acura brand, which is pretty much just as bad as Hummer is really disappointing though considering that Acura HAS launched new models including a refresh of the Acura TL, the second generation all-new MDX, and the completely new RDX so it’s pretty embarassing that they couldn’t INCREASE their sales with three all-new or updated models. What new models did Hummer have? NONE except for the H3 which has been out more than a year and the H3T which is yet to really hit the market

Mercury has no new models planned at all, and Buick actually has LESS models than before (3 now, compared to 7 a year or so ago – it was certainly MORE THAN 3)

^^^Fewer not less

Acura TLs refresh doesnt count as an all new car and it was in the 2007 model year (according to you that is a long time ago lol.) The MDX came over a year ago along with the RDX before that. Lol Nice try though
So it’s not embarassing that they couldn’t increase sales bc they havent introduced anything brand new this year except the TSX which just came out and the all new TL.

Hummer on the other hand is naturally only a victim of slumping SUV sales and not bc the rebadged a Trailblazer and the Hummer is a fad car that gets 1 city 0 highway. They (GM) should have made a hybrid similar to the one used in the Tahoe for this brand and maybe they can save it. According to you GM has no problem selling SUVs (even if they catch on fire and have faulty brakes) so why cant they sell the Hummer ?

All Acura has to do is do what they have done in the past and release Luxurious RELIABLE cars and sales will go back up. Its proven with them not Saturn or Hummer
Ive never seen the Hummer or Saturn brand # 2 in anything except least bought or cared about brand

The RSX was like the Integra and not the TSX I hope Acura has some sense and either makes a coupe version of the TSX or just brings back the CL
They need a strong coupe in their lineup

Not so worry, GM’s spin-meisters will figure out a way to pitch Hummer as eco-friendly.

Truly, why the average person needs to drive around in a para-military vehicle boggles the mind.

Jesus H. Christ on a friggin’ popsicle stick… how did I know 1115 would come out with exactly what he said…..

OHHHH… that’s right, because not only can not count, but he CAN’T READ either. Here we go… pay really close attention here Sparky, so I can spell something out for you once again…

They’re talking registrations PER FRANCHISE… while I’m sure everyone else on here understood what that mean just fine, I also realize that it was written in plain (albeit poor, c’mon LLN… hire a damn editor already!) english – so it obviously confused you.

We’ll start off slooooowwwww, okay? “Franchise” is a fancy word for “dealer.”

As of the latest count, Toyota has about 1,486 dealers in the US…. compare that number (1,486… in case your ADHD caused you to forget already) to the approximately 3,607 Chrysler dealers, 4,140 Ford dealers, and 6,807 (that’s SIX thousand EIGHT hundred SEVEN) GM dealers.

There are almost five times less Toyota dealers than there are GM dealers… So, of-****ing-course their numbers PER FRANCHISE are going to be way higher. How could that be so hard to understand? You seriously make it harder and harder for anyone to give you even a modicum of credit… at this point, I really can’t tell whether you only read what you want or that you can’t read at all… We already know you can’t count.

Regardless… you’re blatant ignorance doesn’t take away from the fact that a lot of people are going for the new Saturns since the numbers plainly show they tied for the top spot for their year-over-year average new registration gain. And they should show such gains because the brand has a stylish lineup of decent, affordable cars.

As far as Hummer goes… I make no excuses for them. I’ve thought they were an abomination since they were first introduced. I don’t blame GM for wanting a piece of the Jeep/Land Rover pie… but the Hummer brand was a pathetic way to go about it… it takes a lot more than some over-priced, over-weight, rebadged Tahoe to really cut it. Unlike some little retards… I won’t blindly defend every aspect of a company just because my overinflated ego is too big for reality.

And Acura? It gets what it deserves for pretending to be a real “luxury” car maker… opposed to the premium/entry-lux player they really are… More people are just waking up to that fact. I’d say they’re nothing more than a second-rate Lexus, but even that would be giving it a little more credit than it’s due.

Waaah Gm has twice as many dealers so the numbers are lower Waaah So why dont you tell your precious GM who is the biggest autop maker to think and consolidate the dealerships
They should have caught on already
Even if Acura was second rate its still WAY better than anything domestics can come up with lol
Like I said the TL is the benchmark for many cars and that is why it is the 2nd best entry level luxo car out there
When GM can come close to that claim and the reliability then you may speak Until then cry on Commodores shoulders some more and bitch about GM having too many dealerships with not enough people wanting to buy their ****ty unsafe products

Again… it’s what “you said,” YOUR OPINION, NOT FACT… but unlike anyone else, you can’t admit that they’re opinions… even if you could admit it, they’d still be largely worthless. Again… you’re not the judge and jury, you’re not the be-all, end-all, you do not set the rules nor the tone of the discussion, and others do not have to placate some twit’s constantly changing twaddle.

And what a typical comeback as well…. you can’t deny the fact of the matter, so you allude to others being a crybaby about it. And by the way Mr. Mathematical Genius… GM has almost FIVE times as many dealers, not twice as much… So whether you like the truth of the matter or not, the fact that GM has so many more dealers equates to a lower per franchise average.

Also… do you think you’re somehow of above average intelligence because your decry the fact that GM needs to cut it’s amount of dealers? Well… golly-gee… you should write them a letter. They have been doing their best to cut and consolidate dealers… they’ve eliminated around 2000 dealers in the past ten years or so. Unfortunately… there are things called “contracts,” I know this is probably something else you don’t quite understand… but GM can’t arbitrarily cut dealers without legal ramifications… and why would countless family-owned dealers just want to give in and close up shop… it’s their livelihood and their property, why would they give it up without a fight?

Granted… I wouldn’t be surprised if that was a foreign concept for you as well… seeing as you’ve probably spent the better part of your life suckling upon your parent’s teat, so you’d subsequently have very little appreciation for such things.

I’ll bet the Toyota Land Cruiser registrations are down as well, but that’s different becauser Toyota is GOD on a frigging popsickle stick! Wheee, I loves me some Japanese corporations!

1115 – first, I want to point out that my Buick and Mercury assessment was not challenged at all (save for a spelling correction LaCarLover made) so that point that I made goes unchallenged and I “win” on it as you would say.

Secondly, Acura has just as many new models in the same time frame as Saturn, that brand that you talking down on so much. Saturn released most of its new models in 2007 and before – a couple months before Acura refreshed its TL. The MDX and RDX are some of Acura’s newest models that are fresh on the market just like Saturn’s lineup (hence why those two crossover have Acura’s new design language). So it IS VERY embarassing that Acura and Saturn, who have both turned out new cars in the same timeframe have such different results. What it shows is that the buyers don’t recognize Acura as true luxury but imported Euro Hondas and the equivalent of Hyundai with their “get more features for less” prices.r

Well if Gm has 5 times as many dealer why arent they beating Toyota in sales in the 1st quarter ????
The fact is that Gm cars are unreliable and unsafe. My opinion is that is the reason that they dont sell and despite having 5 times more dealers they cant unload their unreliable unsafe product
Keep crying

Mercury and Buick dont matter so why talk about them
You tried once again to lie about the car being BRAND new
Acura is a proven sales winner and Saturn is not THATS IT
Whether the registration dropped the TL is still #2 and no saturn has come near that
Acura is a luxury brand Saturn is a bargain basement brand and the two cant be compared anyway so your entire argument much like your insistence on people considering an unsafe unreliable car , is pointless
Keep whining with AMG my point is proven and has been 50 times
You jerks are like kids who cant take no for an answer

Why are you trying to change the focus of the discussion yet again?

Oh… because you initially jumped for joy because the article said Toyo had more average new registrations per franchise and failed to realize it’s correlation with the fact that they have almost five times less dealers than GM.

So instead of just being a normal human being who would have said, “My mistake, of course a company with far less dealers would have a larger average sales number,” what do you do? You refuse to concede anything and insist on trying to steer the topic towards something you think you can win.

How is it that you’re so incapable of ever admitting that you’re wrong, or that you misspoke, or that you made a mistake? I’m not even going to bother calling you sad, nor pathetic because you have some serious problems.

We can’t take no for an answer? We point out your error towards the topic at hand and you do whatever you can to change the subject and to keep the fight going instead of just admitting that you were wrong.

Whining kids? Look in the mirror pal.

1115 – go hump a Honda like you normally do. WTF does Acura have to do with Hummer? Absolutely nothing.

Acura’s going to have a real tough time pushing that new RL – only fans of Cuisinarts will like it.

#10 johnnycanuck- You are right about the Sidekicks. I had one and it was great. I could have kept that thing going forever if I had wanted to. They weren’t that stylish or comfortable, but that was the point. It was a utility vehicle that got the job done for a fair price. The Samurai on the other hand though was a deathtrap waiting to happen. I don’t know how many times I heard of people getting cut out of those things after an accident. I’d pass on one of those lol.

Samarai is highly sought after in off-road community. Roll cage and race blets/seats tend to help w/safety issue.
GM has lots of small dealers in old style small towns, they are an asset to their communities and to consolidate them for the sake of conslidation. Or to reflect better numbers in a distorted manner would be a shame to the people and communities these small dealers have been a part of for sometimes 75 + years.

Why dont you just admit that GM sucks and is unreliable and unsafe. You have plenty of proff yet you harp on everything but that fact. You change the argument to VW to Dealer networks to Teletubbies or whatever else can buy you time to not look at the links and address why GM is injuring people yet they are building better cars ???
Your dealer nonsense sounds like an excuse to me AMG. I’m sure you have to figure out some way to cover up GM blunder
ZO,
As far as Acura being in this thread it was mentioned in the article JACKASS prime example of someone not reading the article and focusing on me and still having little to say

I almost bought a saturn instead of a flex.
they used to suck,but their new cars are better.
who want’s a Hummer? they’re too big and greedy.

why does the Acura division even exixst. they sell re-badged hondas.

Hummer chalks up the decline to a sagging SUV market and steep fuel prices.

bucks are for old people,except for the enclave.

import brands generally suck.not the itallian brands, of corse,or the other european brands.

@ 1115
a hybrid Hummeris still big and useless.

The Acura brand has never had anything new. they started out with the legend (accord) and integra (civic) fast forward 22 years,and its the same garbage in new flavors.
I hope Acura dies

@ shaver
a Suzuki samarai sized 4-wheeler might sell. not as a hummer. those fat tight-jeaned guys will cry if there’s a small,cute hummer.

I’m not surprised. Saturn has introduced a lot of new vehicles lately, and as Shaver said, Hummer has image problems. Besides Arnold, who can afford to buy gas for those things??

@HemiRoadRunner
a cheap hummer from 1115 isn’t as good as a long hummer from a professional.

@johnnycanuck
get a new car

@ Commodore
yes,suv-only lines like the Great Gas Guzzler hummer are more obvious examples of people buying less SUVs.

I’d rather have a large useless hummer than a ****ty Acura

@ howsmydriving
nobody needs a hummer. good point.

@AMGoff: yeah, I hate Lexus but admit it’s a good car. Acura is a second-rate Lexus.

@ Quadruple15 the Toyota Land Cruiser is big and useless

@ Z06ified
You wrote
WTF does Acura have to do with Hummer
If you buy one,you’ll never get the other.

The numbers are slightly misleading because while Saturn has increased the number of models offered, they have been steadily decreasing the number of dealership/franchises in Metro areas. For example, in the Los Angeles area, three of the 7 or 8 local Saturn dealerships closed their doors last year alone.. so the number of sales per franchise would naturally increase.

beantownslut… unlike some other people… I can actually admit Lexus makes good cars even though I don’t like them.

And tripledouche… WTF is your problem? You simply can’t help yourself can you? If I talk about VW it’s because it’s in a VW article. If I’m in an article about Saturn’s sales, I’ll talk about Saturn’s sales.

HOWEVER… When I’m in a Saturn thread I WON’T start talking about how great Toyota is because I CAN’T understand something as simple as higher average sales amongst a smaller dealer base. Just like I WON’T always change the ****ing subject just because I can’t argue the point at hand (perhaps something like GM RECALLS GM RECALLS!!!) Just like I won’t constantly go on and on and on and on simply because I’m incapable of admitting I’m wrong.

And for ****’s sake…. get some original material… we all know you like to plagiarize everything from Consumer Reports to downright repeating what people say to you on here.

You’re either a certifiable retard and had an IEP in school or you’re a worthless troll… I’m leaning towards the former because trolls usually never stick around this long.

Either way… you’re the only person who takes yourself seriously because everyone else sees you as pathetic waste of time… and the truly scary part is that you derive some sort of sick pleasure from it. But I suppose in your mind, you only want to “educate” casual passers-by as to the “truth” about domestic cars, right?

We should really start going back and chronicling all the BS and all the flip-flopping stories you littered this site with… it would make for a hilarious read.

Hummer is essentially down to one model (H3) and that’s getting really old. The styling is getting tired and the engine choices are miserable.

They need to go totally niche – bring on the H4X and maybe an H5 (someone mentioned a Samurai-sized Hummer – good idea) and call it quits.

Someone admitted to buying a flex?

1115:

How the fukk is this true?????
“Acura is a proven sales winner and Saturn is not THATS IT”

Acura sales have been declining by as much as 22%!!!!! Just check sales data for the last few months. And don’t give me the bull**** that Acura and Saturn aren’t comparable. As brands, they are not because they sell at different price points. But this is PERCENTAGES!!! We are not comparing the total VOLUME of sales, but the PERCENT of sales lost or gained. Fact is that Saturn is UP and Acura is DOWN so it would be a lie to say what I quoted you saying above.

And I also love how you say that Saturn and Acura can’t be compared because one sell more mainstream Euro volume cars and the other *tries* to be a luxury brand BUT when it comes to comparing that wannabe luxury brand with a brand that sells ONLY SUVs, you have no problem comparing them because in that case Hummer has lost ONE, JUST ONE more registration per dealer.

And have you also ever considered that it is NOT a good thing that GM has so many dealers? That is DOES NOT help them in the fight for sales?? Because that is a big reason registrations are down – the market is slumping, yet GM has 5 times as many dealers who sometimes compete with each other for GM customers. Toyota simply has a better dealer network and that is hurting GM. I hope they fix it

We are little kids that can’t take no for an answer???? You argue with EVERYTHING. Even the FACT that a recall happens. You excuse that by saying that LLN is being payed off by GM (but only when they report news that benefits GM). Even when you have NO excuse, you simply say that I am lying and that I am wrong and that’s it. I think you are the one who can’t take no for an answer here.

You know… I just read through all those links that 111douche has been ranting and raving about…. I just love how he strings together various recalls that affect cars ranging as far back as 13 years ago… where are all of these deaths and injuries… because none of those article reference anything but a handful of accidents spanning hundreds of thousands of vehicles… here are some snippets from each that we’re suppose to be frantic about…

From CNN Money from April 2002:
“The models covered by the recall are the 1995-97 Chevrolet Cavalier and Pontiac Sunfire, and the 1996-97 Buick Skylark, Pontiac Grand Am and Oldsmobile Achieva. GM said there had been 159 reported incidents of fire or smoke involving the vehicles. It said none of the reported fires occurred while the cars were being driven. Instead it said there have been reports of fire within minutes of an unsuccessful attempt to start the car. Other fires occurred when the cars had been left unattended for a longer period. The only injuries GM reported from the problem are some claims of smoke inhalation.”

159 reported incidents out of 1.9 million vehicles, with the only injury being a case of claimed smoke inhalation… Hmmm…

From CNN Money from April 2005:
” General Motors Corp. is recalling more than 2 million vehicles, mostly sold in the United States, on a variety of potential safety defects, the company said Monday. GM said it knew of no injuries incurred due to any of these potential defects, but that it was aware of two minor crashes.”

2 incidents out of 2 million vehicles… compelling…

From LLN:
“GM is recalling 57,100 Equinox and Torrent SUVs that were not equipped with roof air bags or a sunroof to install more foam in the windshield pillars to decrease the risk of a head injury in the event of a crash.
11,974 Silverado and Sierra pickup trucks are being recalled to fix a faulty crankshaft position sensor, which could cause the engine to stall.
The recall of 20,514 Saturn L-Series cars is due to a timing chain that could separate while the engine is running.
The recalls are set to begin next month. No accidents have been reported due to the recalled items.”

90,000 vehicle and no accidents…. I’m getting frightened…

And… from the AutoChannel from January of 2001:
“Number Involved: 35,659

Dates of Manufacture: March – July 2000

Defect: Certainlight duty pickup trucks and sport utility vehicles have loose or missing rear wheelhouse plugs. Under certain vehicle operating conditions, exhaust gases can flow forward and accumulate in the rear wheelhouse. These gases could flow into the passenger compartment if the plug is missing or loose and could cause possible illness, unconsciousness, or death.
Chevrolet Silverado Years: 1999-2000 Chevrolet Tahoe Year: 2000 Chevrolet Suburban Year: 2000 GMC Yukon/Yukon XL Year: 2000 GMC Sierra Years: 1999-2000

Number Involved: 1,383,922

Dates of Manufacture: April 1998 – June 2000

Defect: Certain light duty pickup trucks and sport utility vehicleshave a clearance between the front right-hand brake pipe and the body cross sill that could decrease to the point of allowing contact. If contact occurs and the brake pipe becomes damaged, there can be a loss of brake fluid and pressure. The brake warning lamp will be activated when the brake fluid lever reaches the indicator limit. During braking, the pedal will be lower than normal and stopping distances will be longer. If this occurs when stopping distance is limited, a crash could occur.”

1.4 million vehicles and I haven’t been able to find a single reference anywhere with regard to a single accident… a single illness… or a single death.

So… are you happy? Someone finally read you articles… and what did I find? Nothing to back up any of your claims of GM vehicles causing massive numbers of injuries and death. What I saw were ****ing recalls… that affected millions of vehicles over a decades worth of vehicles that all totalled to less than 170-some incidents… 159 of which happened when no one was in the damned cars.

Do you even understand the point of a recall? Recalls are largely precautionary to remedy something that may or may not go wrong – most like not, because many people never take their vehicles in for recall work and yet amazingly the news isn’t full of stories of horrible, people-killing GM cars.

So seriously… is that what you’ve been constantly harping on about… how are any of those things worse than wheels falling off of Hondas or Toyota’s engine sludge problems? I’ve addressed you links… I’ve acknowledged the recalls (not that I ever disputed them).. and I think your argument is totally bogus because you’re wildly exaggerating things in your claims. So now… maybe you would like to start acknowledging the millions of vehicles that have been recalled by Honda and Toyota lately without immediately pointing to all of these old GM recalls that amounted to nothing.

Additionally… none of it explains your irrational hatred for GM… what was it? Are you upset at them because the short bus you used to ride to school in was made by GMC?

Either way… they’ve been addressed, time to move on sparky..

So it doesnt matter if the car is dangerous it only counts if someone is in the car Also if someone is injured it doesnt matter as long as they are alive. I agree with you who cares The point of a recall is precautionary but in GMs case people where injured and since no one died it doesnt matter You are right
Where are the stories of Honda or Toyota catching on fire and having injured anyone ?? Seems as if Honda and Toyota recalls are precautionary and GM recalls are after the fact.
I changed my mind you opened up my eyes as long as no one died its ok to injure people in unsafe unreliable vehicles
I find it rather convienient you read certain articles and ignored others hmmm
Dont let the aliens get cha

No surprise — Hummer falls to $4 gas.

Saturn has 3 “best-in-category-ever vehicles,and Adnoh doesn’t have anything for anyone with a brain. $38K for an accord!

AMGoff: My theories and 1115’s GM hatred are posted here

http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-recalls-249400-vehicles.html

JJT… completely plausible.

I love how it still continues to over-exaggerate… I wonder if it actually read anything beyond the headlines?? Because out of all of those articles, I read of two minor accidents and a case of smoke inhalation…. At least it’s now admitting that no one died… even though it’s story before was that they’re “death traps” and that they killed people.

Once again goes to show that the boy can’t ever keep “his” stories straight… Just like he never owned an Acura CL… despite saying elsewhere that he did have one.

And then when all else fails… he still desperately grasps to his resale argument and still argues that such directly correlates to reliability, despite the fact that his only proof is his own conjecture.