I love how it still continues to over-exaggerate… I wonder if it actually read anything beyond the headlines?? Because out of all of those articles, I read of two minor accidents and a case of smoke inhalation…. At least it’s now admitting that no one died… even though it’s story before was that they’re “death traps” and that they killed people.

Once again goes to show that the boy can’t ever keep “his” stories straight… Just like he never owned an Acura CL… despite saying elsewhere that he did have one.

And then when all else fails… he still desperately grasps to his resale argument and still argues that such directly correlates to reliability, despite the fact that his only proof is his own conjecture.

Saturn has 3 “best-in-category-ever vehicles,and Adnoh doesn’t have anything for anyone with a brain. $38K for an accord!

AMGoff: My theories and 1115′s GM hatred are posted here

http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-recalls-249400-vehicles.html

From CNN Money from April 2002:
“The models covered by the recall are the 1995-97 Chevrolet Cavalier and Pontiac Sunfire, and the 1996-97 Buick Skylark, Pontiac Grand Am and Oldsmobile Achieva. GM said there had been 159 reported incidents of fire or smoke involving the vehicles. It said none of the reported fires occurred while the cars were being driven. Instead it said there have been reports of fire within minutes of an unsuccessful attempt to start the car. Other fires occurred when the cars had been left unattended for a longer period. The only injuries GM reported from the problem are some claims of smoke inhalation.”

159 reported incidents out of 1.9 million vehicles, with the only injury being a case of claimed smoke inhalation… Hmmm…

From CNN Money from April 2005:
” General Motors Corp. is recalling more than 2 million vehicles, mostly sold in the United States, on a variety of potential safety defects, the company said Monday. GM said it knew of no injuries incurred due to any of these potential defects, but that it was aware of two minor crashes.”

2 incidents out of 2 million vehicles… compelling…

From LLN:
“GM is recalling 57,100 Equinox and Torrent SUVs that were not equipped with roof air bags or a sunroof to install more foam in the windshield pillars to decrease the risk of a head injury in the event of a crash.
11,974 Silverado and Sierra pickup trucks are being recalled to fix a faulty crankshaft position sensor, which could cause the engine to stall.
The recall of 20,514 Saturn L-Series cars is due to a timing chain that could separate while the engine is running.
The recalls are set to begin next month. No accidents have been reported due to the recalled items.”

90,000 vehicle and no accidents…. I’m getting frightened…

And… from the AutoChannel from January of 2001:
“Number Involved: 35,659

Dates of Manufacture: March – July 2000

Defect: Certainlight duty pickup trucks and sport utility vehicles have loose or missing rear wheelhouse plugs. Under certain vehicle operating conditions, exhaust gases can flow forward and accumulate in the rear wheelhouse. These gases could flow into the passenger compartment if the plug is missing or loose and could cause possible illness, unconsciousness, or death.
Chevrolet Silverado Years: 1999-2000 Chevrolet Tahoe Year: 2000 Chevrolet Suburban Year: 2000 GMC Yukon/Yukon XL Year: 2000 GMC Sierra Years: 1999-2000

Number Involved: 1,383,922

Dates of Manufacture: April 1998 – June 2000

Defect: Certain light duty pickup trucks and sport utility vehicleshave a clearance between the front right-hand brake pipe and the body cross sill that could decrease to the point of allowing contact. If contact occurs and the brake pipe becomes damaged, there can be a loss of brake fluid and pressure. The brake warning lamp will be activated when the brake fluid lever reaches the indicator limit. During braking, the pedal will be lower than normal and stopping distances will be longer. If this occurs when stopping distance is limited, a crash could occur.”

1.4 million vehicles and I haven’t been able to find a single reference anywhere with regard to a single accident… a single illness… or a single death.

So… are you happy? Someone finally read you articles… and what did I find? Nothing to back up any of your claims of GM vehicles causing massive numbers of injuries and death. What I saw were fucking recalls… that affected millions of vehicles over a decades worth of vehicles that all totalled to less than 170-some incidents… 159 of which happened when no one was in the damned cars.

Do you even understand the point of a recall? Recalls are largely precautionary to remedy something that may or may not go wrong – most like not, because many people never take their vehicles in for recall work and yet amazingly the news isn’t full of stories of horrible, people-killing GM cars.

So seriously… is that what you’ve been constantly harping on about… how are any of those things worse than wheels falling off of Hondas or Toyota’s engine sludge problems? I’ve addressed you links… I’ve acknowledged the recalls (not that I ever disputed them).. and I think your argument is totally bogus because you’re wildly exaggerating things in your claims. So now… maybe you would like to start acknowledging the millions of vehicles that have been recalled by Honda and Toyota lately without immediately pointing to all of these old GM recalls that amounted to nothing.

Additionally… none of it explains your irrational hatred for GM… what was it? Are you upset at them because the short bus you used to ride to school in was made by GMC?

Either way… they’ve been addressed, time to move on sparky..

How the fukk is this true?????
“Acura is a proven sales winner and Saturn is not THATS IT”

Acura sales have been declining by as much as 22%!!!!! Just check sales data for the last few months. And don’t give me the bullshit that Acura and Saturn aren’t comparable. As brands, they are not because they sell at different price points. But this is PERCENTAGES!!! We are not comparing the total VOLUME of sales, but the PERCENT of sales lost or gained. Fact is that Saturn is UP and Acura is DOWN so it would be a lie to say what I quoted you saying above.

And I also love how you say that Saturn and Acura can’t be compared because one sell more mainstream Euro volume cars and the other *tries* to be a luxury brand BUT when it comes to comparing that wannabe luxury brand with a brand that sells ONLY SUVs, you have no problem comparing them because in that case Hummer has lost ONE, JUST ONE more registration per dealer.

And have you also ever considered that it is NOT a good thing that GM has so many dealers? That is DOES NOT help them in the fight for sales?? Because that is a big reason registrations are down – the market is slumping, yet GM has 5 times as many dealers who sometimes compete with each other for GM customers. Toyota simply has a better dealer network and that is hurting GM. I hope they fix it

We are little kids that can’t take no for an answer???? You argue with EVERYTHING. Even the FACT that a recall happens. You excuse that by saying that LLN is being payed off by GM (but only when they report news that benefits GM). Even when you have NO excuse, you simply say that I am lying and that I am wrong and that’s it. I think you are the one who can’t take no for an answer here.

They need to go totally niche – bring on the H4X and maybe an H5 (someone mentioned a Samurai-sized Hummer – good idea) and call it quits.

And tripledouche… WTF is your problem? You simply can’t help yourself can you? If I talk about VW it’s because it’s in a VW article. If I’m in an article about Saturn’s sales, I’ll talk about Saturn’s sales.

HOWEVER… When I’m in a Saturn thread I WON’T start talking about how great Toyota is because I CAN’T understand something as simple as higher average sales amongst a smaller dealer base. Just like I WON’T always change the fucking subject just because I can’t argue the point at hand (perhaps something like GM RECALLS GM RECALLS!!!) Just like I won’t constantly go on and on and on and on simply because I’m incapable of admitting I’m wrong.

And for fuck’s sake…. get some original material… we all know you like to plagiarize everything from Consumer Reports to downright repeating what people say to you on here.

You’re either a certifiable retard and had an IEP in school or you’re a worthless troll… I’m leaning towards the former because trolls usually never stick around this long.

Either way… you’re the only person who takes yourself seriously because everyone else sees you as pathetic waste of time… and the truly scary part is that you derive some sort of sick pleasure from it. But I suppose in your mind, you only want to “educate” casual passers-by as to the “truth” about domestic cars, right?

We should really start going back and chronicling all the BS and all the flip-flopping stories you littered this site with… it would make for a hilarious read.

why does the Acura division even exixst. they sell re-badged hondas.

Hummer chalks up the decline to a sagging SUV market and steep fuel prices.

bucks are for old people,except for the enclave.

import brands generally suck.not the itallian brands, of corse,or the other european brands.

@ 1115
a hybrid Hummeris still big and useless.

The Acura brand has never had anything new. they started out with the legend (accord) and integra (civic) fast forward 22 years,and its the same garbage in new flavors.
I hope Acura dies

@ shaver
a Suzuki samarai sized 4-wheeler might sell. not as a hummer. those fat tight-jeaned guys will cry if there’s a small,cute hummer.

I’m not surprised. Saturn has introduced a lot of new vehicles lately, and as Shaver said, Hummer has image problems. Besides Arnold, who can afford to buy gas for those things??

@HemiRoadRunner
a cheap hummer from 1115 isn’t as good as a long hummer from a professional.

@johnnycanuck
get a new car

@ Commodore
yes,suv-only lines like the Great Gas Guzzler hummer are more obvious examples of people buying less SUVs.

I’d rather have a large useless hummer than a shitty Acura

@ howsmydriving
nobody needs a hummer. good point.

@AMGoff: yeah, I hate Lexus but admit it’s a good car. Acura is a second-rate Lexus.

@ Quadruple15 the Toyota Land Cruiser is big and useless

@ Z06ified
You wrote
WTF does Acura have to do with Hummer
If you buy one,you’ll never get the other.

Acura’s going to have a real tough time pushing that new RL – only fans of Cuisinarts will like it.

Oh… because you initially jumped for joy because the article said Toyo had more average new registrations per franchise and failed to realize it’s correlation with the fact that they have almost five times less dealers than GM.

So instead of just being a normal human being who would have said, “My mistake, of course a company with far less dealers would have a larger average sales number,” what do you do? You refuse to concede anything and insist on trying to steer the topic towards something you think you can win.

How is it that you’re so incapable of ever admitting that you’re wrong, or that you misspoke, or that you made a mistake? I’m not even going to bother calling you sad, nor pathetic because you have some serious problems.

We can’t take no for an answer? We point out your error towards the topic at hand and you do whatever you can to change the subject and to keep the fight going instead of just admitting that you were wrong.

Whining kids? Look in the mirror pal.

Secondly, Acura has just as many new models in the same time frame as Saturn, that brand that you talking down on so much. Saturn released most of its new models in 2007 and before – a couple months before Acura refreshed its TL. The MDX and RDX are some of Acura’s newest models that are fresh on the market just like Saturn’s lineup (hence why those two crossover have Acura’s new design language). So it IS VERY embarassing that Acura and Saturn, who have both turned out new cars in the same timeframe have such different results. What it shows is that the buyers don’t recognize Acura as true luxury but imported Euro Hondas and the equivalent of Hyundai with their “get more features for less” prices.r

And what a typical comeback as well…. you can’t deny the fact of the matter, so you allude to others being a crybaby about it. And by the way Mr. Mathematical Genius… GM has almost FIVE times as many dealers, not twice as much… So whether you like the truth of the matter or not, the fact that GM has so many more dealers equates to a lower per franchise average.

Also… do you think you’re somehow of above average intelligence because your decry the fact that GM needs to cut it’s amount of dealers? Well… golly-gee… you should write them a letter. They have been doing their best to cut and consolidate dealers… they’ve eliminated around 2000 dealers in the past ten years or so. Unfortunately… there are things called “contracts,” I know this is probably something else you don’t quite understand… but GM can’t arbitrarily cut dealers without legal ramifications… and why would countless family-owned dealers just want to give in and close up shop… it’s their livelihood and their property, why would they give it up without a fight?

Granted… I wouldn’t be surprised if that was a foreign concept for you as well… seeing as you’ve probably spent the better part of your life suckling upon your parent’s teat, so you’d subsequently have very little appreciation for such things.

OHHHH… that’s right, because not only can not count, but he CAN’T READ either. Here we go… pay really close attention here Sparky, so I can spell something out for you once again…

They’re talking registrations PER FRANCHISE… while I’m sure everyone else on here understood what that mean just fine, I also realize that it was written in plain (albeit poor, c’mon LLN… hire a damn editor already!) english – so it obviously confused you.

We’ll start off slooooowwwww, okay? “Franchise” is a fancy word for “dealer.”

As of the latest count, Toyota has about 1,486 dealers in the US…. compare that number (1,486… in case your ADHD caused you to forget already) to the approximately 3,607 Chrysler dealers, 4,140 Ford dealers, and 6,807 (that’s SIX thousand EIGHT hundred SEVEN) GM dealers.

There are almost five times less Toyota dealers than there are GM dealers… So, of-fucking-course their numbers PER FRANCHISE are going to be way higher. How could that be so hard to understand? You seriously make it harder and harder for anyone to give you even a modicum of credit… at this point, I really can’t tell whether you only read what you want or that you can’t read at all… We already know you can’t count.

Regardless… you’re blatant ignorance doesn’t take away from the fact that a lot of people are going for the new Saturns since the numbers plainly show they tied for the top spot for their year-over-year average new registration gain. And they should show such gains because the brand has a stylish lineup of decent, affordable cars.

As far as Hummer goes… I make no excuses for them. I’ve thought they were an abomination since they were first introduced. I don’t blame GM for wanting a piece of the Jeep/Land Rover pie… but the Hummer brand was a pathetic way to go about it… it takes a lot more than some over-priced, over-weight, rebadged Tahoe to really cut it. Unlike some little retards… I won’t blindly defend every aspect of a company just because my overinflated ego is too big for reality.

Truly, why the average person needs to drive around in a para-military vehicle boggles the mind.

Hummer on the other hand is naturally only a victim of slumping SUV sales and not bc the rebadged a Trailblazer and the Hummer is a fad car that gets 1 city 0 highway. They (GM) should have made a hybrid similar to the one used in the Tahoe for this brand and maybe they can save it. According to you GM has no problem selling SUVs (even if they catch on fire and have faulty brakes) so why cant they sell the Hummer ?

All Acura has to do is do what they have done in the past and release Luxurious RELIABLE cars and sales will go back up. Its proven with them not Saturn or Hummer
Ive never seen the Hummer or Saturn brand # 2 in anything except least bought or cared about brand

The Acura brand, which is pretty much just as bad as Hummer is really disappointing though considering that Acura HAS launched new models including a refresh of the Acura TL, the second generation all-new MDX, and the completely new RDX so it’s pretty embarassing that they couldn’t INCREASE their sales with three all-new or updated models. What new models did Hummer have? NONE except for the H3 which has been out more than a year and the H3T which is yet to really hit the market

Mercury has no new models planned at all, and Buick actually has LESS models than before (3 now, compared to 7 a year or so ago – it was certainly MORE THAN 3)

Now perhaps if they made one in orange with a two-tone interior, a turbo-diesel engine and didn’t have yellow dash lights…. I would purchase one!

BTW, does Acura still make the two door version of the TSX…. RSX?