Comments on: Threats of violence prompt security boost at Chrysler plant after layoff http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html Car news, reviews, and specs for the auto-industry Sun, 22 Nov 2009 05:30:56 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: jackjimturkey http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html/comment-page-1#comment-367643 jackjimturkey Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:16:40 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html#comment-367643 Here comes the hands on the leashes The cross, the capital, the pale families, the fear and the mouthpieces The single sista lynch The cell doors crash And the master's drums echo, echo, echo, echo, echo, echo Here comes the hands on the leashes
The cross, the capital, the pale families, the fear and the mouthpieces
The single sista lynch
The cell doors crash
And the master’s drums echo, echo, echo, echo, echo, echo

]]> By: S o c i a l i s m http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html/comment-page-1#comment-365383 S o c i a l i s m Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:47:48 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html#comment-365383 test2 test2

]]> By: Social ism http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html/comment-page-1#comment-365381 Social ism Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:47:10 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html#comment-365381 test1 test1

]]> By: Scarface03 http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html/comment-page-1#comment-363888 Scarface03 Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:01:29 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html#comment-363888 The nearly universal employment in the U.S. is "employment at will", that is, employer and employee can end the employment for any reason or no reason at all (discrimination laws trim that up a bit). I image the UAW contracts have something to say about that, but the bottom line is that, in any other business, if a multi-billion dollar company had to eliminate a third shift to maintain its viability, it would do it and have no problem with it. I can see anybody getting fired would be filled with resentment and anger, but violence is rarely a concern. I have little doubt that the threats of violence--legit or not--have their source in union workers. I'm not saying that union members are lawless or thugs, but the analogy to the "mob mentality" is accurate--unions probably think they are entitled to something merely because they are a member of a group, especially a group that historically had a lot of power, but is becoming ever more a burden on their companies. I feel for uawsanctionedscab's bait-and-switch, but the reality is that the only time employers can't dictate the terms of hiring someone is if the terms are so harsh that no one will work for them. How many Belvidere 1st and 2nd shift workers are just happy they HAVE a job?.... The nearly universal employment in the U.S. is “employment at will”, that is, employer and employee can end the employment for any reason or no reason at all (discrimination laws trim that up a bit).

I image the UAW contracts have something to say about that, but the bottom line is that, in any other business, if a multi-billion dollar company had to eliminate a third shift to maintain its viability, it would do it and have no problem with it.

I can see anybody getting fired would be filled with resentment and anger, but violence is rarely a concern. I have little doubt that the threats of violence–legit or not–have their source in union workers. I’m not saying that union members are lawless or thugs, but the analogy to the “mob mentality” is accurate–unions probably think they are entitled to something merely because they are a member of a group, especially a group that historically had a lot of power, but is becoming ever more a burden on their companies.

I feel for uawsanctionedscab’s bait-and-switch, but the reality is that the only time employers can’t dictate the terms of hiring someone is if the terms are so harsh that no one will work for them. How many Belvidere 1st and 2nd shift workers are just happy they HAVE a job?….

]]> By: rockstars http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html/comment-page-1#comment-363816 rockstars Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:11:36 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html#comment-363816 unionsanctionedscab is absolutely right. I worked there and have seen it. And not from the union standpoint. unionsanctionedscab is absolutely right. I worked there and have seen it. And not from the union standpoint.

]]> By: uawsanctionedscab http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html/comment-page-1#comment-363724 uawsanctionedscab Sat, 08 Mar 2008 22:07:54 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html#comment-363724 Not to condone what goes on but there are good reasons those workers are angry with Chrysler. They were "enhanced workers" which means you are basically a temporary worker authorized by the Uaw to do the same work as the rest with no chance of progressing like the rest of the regular workers. Some would say so what. Well, most were hired under a 120 day permanent position and told this would lead to regular employment just like the traditional way of hiring in to UAW. Then, Chrysler, owned by Dailmer at that time, changed to this format pretty much leaving those that left their old jobs stuck to sign that temporary agreement. The old bait and switch if you will. You see they were worried about pumping out cars, they needed to act fast, their state of the art facility wasnt so state of the art, many problems for over a year. So you trick people in to thinking they will have a career, when in fact, you are a patch for their inability to manufacture vehicles properly like the rest of the industry. Didnt matter anyway since the sales are not as robust as they planned. But those workers got cut this past week for that reason. Terminated i should say. How did they establish a two tiered system at Belvidere without going through proper union negotiations? Who knows? They basically dont follow any rules at the Belvidere plant, its pretty much ad lib. And who is gonna stop them, nobody wants them to fail and close up shop right? Well except for those that were screwed over the last almost two years. Whats wrong with being upfront and telling a worker what the plan is rather than continually spreading fiction so that they will continue to have hope and have a future. And they wonder why they cant sell cars. What goes around comes around boys. Chryslers day is coming soon! There was much more deception in many areas, but why bother. No judge is gonna listen, they dont want an "american icon" to collapse. Even though it should. Not to condone what goes on but there are good reasons those workers are angry with Chrysler. They were “enhanced workers” which means you are basically a temporary worker authorized by the Uaw to do the same work as the rest with no chance of progressing like the rest of the regular workers. Some would say so what. Well, most were hired under a 120 day permanent position and told this would lead to regular employment just like the traditional way of hiring in to UAW. Then, Chrysler, owned by Dailmer at that time, changed to this format pretty much leaving those that left their old jobs stuck to sign that temporary agreement. The old bait and switch if you will. You see they were worried about pumping out cars, they needed to act fast, their state of the art facility wasnt so state of the art, many problems for over a year. So you trick people in to thinking they will have a career, when in fact, you are a patch for their inability to manufacture vehicles properly like the rest of the industry. Didnt matter anyway since the sales are not as robust as they planned. But those workers got cut this past week for that reason. Terminated i should say. How did they establish a two tiered system at Belvidere without going through proper union negotiations? Who knows? They basically dont follow any rules at the Belvidere plant, its pretty much ad lib. And who is gonna stop them, nobody wants them to fail and close up shop right? Well except for those that were screwed over the last almost two years. Whats wrong with being upfront and telling a worker what the plan is rather than continually spreading fiction so that they will continue to have hope and have a future. And they wonder why they cant sell cars. What goes around comes around boys. Chryslers day is coming soon! There was much more deception in many areas, but why bother. No judge is gonna listen, they dont want an “american icon” to collapse. Even though it should.

]]> By: RicardoHead http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html/comment-page-1#comment-363720 RicardoHead Sat, 08 Mar 2008 18:13:18 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html#comment-363720 Andre, I'll address the actual problem of their mental instability right here ----> there isn't a mental problem in the world that a bullet thru the head couldn't cure. That being said, Belvidere is not on my list of vacation destinations, it's true. Andre, I’ll address the actual problem of their mental instability right here —-> there isn’t a mental problem in the world that a bullet thru the head couldn’t cure.

That being said, Belvidere is not on my list of vacation destinations, it’s true.

]]> By: andre60174 http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html/comment-page-1#comment-363716 andre60174 Sat, 08 Mar 2008 16:52:19 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html#comment-363716 Ricardo Head its obvious that you've never been to Belvidere because you would know that it is far from crime-ridden. People are probably just pissed off that they lost their jobs, as I'm sure you would be in the same situation. As far as shutting down the plant, should we shut down every institution that receives a threat? Thats stupid. The sad fact is that this world is filled with crazy people and until we address the actual problem of these people's mental instabilty these kinds of things will continue. Ricardo Head its obvious that you’ve never been to Belvidere because you would know that it is far from crime-ridden. People are probably just pissed off that they lost their jobs, as I’m sure you would be in the same situation. As far as shutting down the plant, should we shut down every institution that receives a threat? Thats stupid. The sad fact is that this world is filled with crazy people and until we address the actual problem of these people’s mental instabilty these kinds of things will continue.

]]> By: F451 http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html/comment-page-1#comment-363715 F451 Sat, 08 Mar 2008 16:34:03 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html#comment-363715 @Stig, "I wonder who started the rumor … perhaps the UAW themselves?" . Good point as it could also be the other way around with Cerberus creating more faux propaganda now and for the future. @Stig, “I wonder who started the rumor … perhaps the UAW themselves?”
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Good point as it could also be the other way around with Cerberus creating more faux propaganda now and for the future.

]]> By: DeansterTJ http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html/comment-page-1#comment-363708 DeansterTJ Sat, 08 Mar 2008 16:06:17 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html#comment-363708 I would shut the plant down and offer a bounty - $2000 bonus to whoever maims or kills the person sending the threats to the plant. Lickety-split everything will be allright I would shut the plant down and offer a bounty – $2000 bonus to whoever maims or kills the person sending the threats to the plant. Lickety-split everything will be allright

]]> By: The Stig http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html/comment-page-1#comment-363682 The Stig Sat, 08 Mar 2008 05:15:01 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html#comment-363682 I wonder who started the rumor ... perhaps the UAW themselves? I wonder who started the rumor … perhaps the UAW themselves?

]]> By: 400horseSS http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html/comment-page-1#comment-363675 400horseSS Sat, 08 Mar 2008 05:03:22 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html#comment-363675 its easier for me to blame the rich white mf's than the working man for this situation. its easier for me to blame the rich white mf’s than the working man for this situation.

]]> By: AxeHead http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html/comment-page-1#comment-363671 AxeHead Sat, 08 Mar 2008 04:07:10 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html#comment-363671 Violence is the norm for union reaction...unions have had their day and now it's time to say goodbye...they just haven't realized it yet. Violence is the norm for union reaction…unions have had their day and now it’s time to say goodbye…they just haven’t realized it yet.

]]> By: autonut http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html/comment-page-1#comment-363664 autonut Sat, 08 Mar 2008 03:36:41 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html#comment-363664 I can understand union members feelings, although I am not condemning violence. I read that most of the money Cerberus put for Chrysler came from UNION PENSION FUNDS, especially California state and California teacher's Unions. Since I read it on Internet I can guarantee accuracy of this, but I do know that majority of hedge funds exists on union pension money. I can understand union members feelings, although I am not condemning violence. I read that most of the money Cerberus put for Chrysler came from UNION PENSION FUNDS, especially California state and California teacher’s Unions. Since I read it on Internet I can guarantee accuracy of this, but I do know that majority of hedge funds exists on union pension money.

]]> By: howsmydriving http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html/comment-page-1#comment-363651 howsmydriving Sat, 08 Mar 2008 02:01:44 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html#comment-363651 This is the non-story du jour. This is the non-story du jour.

]]> By: 1c3d0g http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html/comment-page-1#comment-363644 1c3d0g Sat, 08 Mar 2008 00:40:11 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html#comment-363644 /me shakes hands with RicardoHead...couldn't have said it better myself! :-) /me shakes hands with RicardoHead…couldn’t have said it better myself! :-)

]]> By: Madcapp http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html/comment-page-1#comment-363641 Madcapp Fri, 07 Mar 2008 23:43:25 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html#comment-363641 How is it news to observe that the proletariat are revolting? How is it news to observe that the proletariat are revolting?

]]> By: johnnycanuck http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html/comment-page-1#comment-363640 johnnycanuck Fri, 07 Mar 2008 23:30:24 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html#comment-363640 Why is this the fault of Cerberus? They had nothing to do with bringing these models into production. While I feel for those about to be out of work, their anger is misdirected. Cerberus got left with this load. Now they the unenviable task of trying to make honey out a pile of Daimler's feces. Why is this the fault of Cerberus? They had nothing to do with bringing these models into production. While I feel for those about to be out of work, their anger is misdirected. Cerberus got left with this load. Now they the unenviable task of trying to make honey out a pile of Daimler’s feces.

]]> By: WOOKIE62 http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html/comment-page-1#comment-363636 WOOKIE62 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 22:45:48 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html#comment-363636 Union employees will get 3 squares a day and all thier health insurance covered in prison also. Stupid Bastards!!! Union employees will get 3 squares a day and all thier health insurance covered in prison also. Stupid Bastards!!!

]]> By: maximus http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html/comment-page-1#comment-363635 maximus Fri, 07 Mar 2008 22:32:28 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html#comment-363635 Ricardohead: 1 Crime-ridden area: ZERO Ricardohead: 1
Crime-ridden area: ZERO

]]> By: RicardoHead http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html/comment-page-1#comment-363629 RicardoHead Fri, 07 Mar 2008 22:05:00 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html#comment-363629 I would respond to the threats of violence with a permanent shutdown of the facility. The last thing any company needs is to have a manufacturing facility in a crime-ridden area. I would respond to the threats of violence with a permanent shutdown of the facility. The last thing any company needs is to have a manufacturing facility in a crime-ridden area.

]]> By: F451 http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html/comment-page-1#comment-363616 F451 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:52:35 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html#comment-363616 I am not an advocate of violence, but the Cerberus group has gotten away with murder when it comes to avoiding taxes, and turning a profit at the expense of others; Cerberus will prove bad for Chrysler. I am not an advocate of violence, but the Cerberus group has gotten away with murder when it comes to avoiding taxes, and turning a profit at the expense of others; Cerberus will prove bad for Chrysler.

]]> By: A4 http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html/comment-page-1#comment-363613 A4 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:42:15 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/threats-of-violence-prompt-security-boost-at-chrysler-plant-after-layoff.html#comment-363613 thats what they get for building shit like the compass thats what they get for building **** like the compass

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