It’s not the end of the world They can just continue to use the SH AWD on their cars They need to put it on the TSX bc its the only product without it
2015 was a little late for a RWD anyway I was thinking like 2011
Also they should move up the RL in size

Autocar magazine is reporting this so its not official

they should just kill the RL its irrelevant.

why don’t you ask if chad will be your boyfriend or not Acura, seeing as you are just picking pedals off a daisy, in a month you’ll turn around and say you are making the platform, and who knows maybe chad will ask you by then

Yerp, lose the RL.

Far too many cars like it around as it is.

Honda is in the crapper too, but their problem is they have already blown their new-product pipeline load and wont have anything new but the Insight (which will be a hit) in the next couple years. Accord sales are dogging worse than industry average, and so are TL sales, TSX sales, MDX, Pilot, and Civic sales. All closed Q4 with reductions worse than the Big 2 average drop in the quarter, even including the Big 2’s major drop in full-size trucks. Those cars are Honda’s bread and butter cash cows. That’s gotta hurt.

At least Ford has some interesting stuff in the queue for the next 24 months. Honda’s gonna just slap that stupid smiley grill that nobodty wants on an RDX and hope the crApuraphiles sport wood when they do. Not a good plan.

Where is the industry average report ? The big 2 now huh with money from the Govt lol

The following are the reductions in the quarterly units sales rates for Honda/Acura cars when you compare Q4 08 to the average Quarterly sales rate for the first 3 quarters of 2008. Data pulled per Honda press releases on Honda’s website (Sept YTD sales, and Dec YTD sales). Honda is in pain, fanboy.

Honda brand … -38.15%
Acura brand … -25.73%

Accord … -42.95%
Civic … -43.75%
TSX … -32.74%
Pilot … -34.60%
MDX … -30.96%
RL … -40.18%

Oh, and 1115 …. FORD DID NOT GET GOVT MONEY. GET A CLUE.

Not yet, by spring Ford will need welfare just like 2 others. They lost their line of credit years ago and going through their 23 billions with speed of shuttle entering atmosphere. FYI, Ford is NOT #2 seller in US and not in the world. It has been relegated.

Acura is solely depended on Honda sales.

Hey, I really liked the 05-08 RL and if I had been born a millionaire that would be my ride of choice. It’s attractive, rock solid built, very resonable compared to it’s german competition (50k), and has everything you’d ever want in a car without making you stand out to be mugged or carjacked as in a BMW or Mercedes.

This is scarey stuff if it’s true since Honda is one that is seen as successful, and if it’s this bad, we really are in some crap right now. then again, Honda’s uber-conservative business model may have a part to play in this as well.

I foresee the word ‘venerable’ slowly creeping back into the automotive vernacular.

They better put the s2k back on the line-up when the economy picks up again then. Or use this as a way to silently birth an s3k.

Ok so sales are down where is your industry average Ford has access to govt bailaout money
Get a clue and let me see the industry average info So far you just provided Honda figures where I know you thought that was supposed to be sufficient but cite one legitimate article that says Honda is behind the industry average, while you areat it show where GM is above it and has a higher resale

Im sorry 1115 I love honda too but they are dying

Honda/Toyota’s Age of Innocence is over,

GM, Ford, and Chrysler have all weathered major economic downturns in the past. And while they’re weak right now, the most interesting thing to me is how Toyota, Honda, and Nissan will handle the downturn.

For the first time in their respective histories, they’re experiencing the same slowdown the longer-established companies are. When the economy hit hard times in the ’70s and ’80s, the J3 saw nothing but sales growth and expanded market share. And when the economy expanded in the ’90s, their lineups expanded with it. So they are FAR less impervious to a downturn as they were before.

The D3 will stick around (except probably Chrysler) because they’re getting help from Uncle Sam. But keep in mind that the J3 get help from their government, too. And VW does, too.

Ugh… this makes me really unhappy. I was actually considering a 2010 RWD RL or whenever it was going to come out. My 2005 TL just ran out of warranty on miles and I’ve made all my final payments on my MBA to graduate this May. No reason to wait on a new car anymore. Sadly there is nothing in the Honda stable that interests me.

I dont love Honda. I prefer them due to their reliable, quality vehicles with excellent resale value.
Are they hurting -no more than any other auto maker. The Domestic mayor wants you to think that Honda is hurting more yet he has yet to back it up

Your stmt has no basis. Honda isnt dying. There is really no competition for the Accord other than the Camry and maybe The Sonata and Mazda 6. It will take some time and its clear the Malibu has failed in taking import owners. There is no real rival for the Civic other than the Corolla and the Mazda 3. The Cruze wont come out for another 8 years lol when they should have been here 4 years ago. The Honda factories are able to switch from building trucks to making more 4 cylinder cars which american factories seem to have an issue doing Sure Ford is doing it now but how long did that take
Although I was looking fwd to RWD based Acura’s all they have to do is put SH AWD on them and the economy has to get better and they will be back to where they were

Let’s get back to the topic on hand, THE DEATH OF THE S2000…
Last night I was watching The Fast & Furious on TV, the movie made that black S2000 seem like a Euro Exotic, around that time the NSX was so hard to get, I tried to get one but the mark-up was just stupid at the time, $25k over a $90k sticker? WTF? So I skipped on Honda all together, ended up with a SC Saleen…

The fact is with the death of RWD performance cars from Honda, the end of the F1 racing for them is just sad, just proves that Nissan is King of the Japanese Sport Car Market, this just me want to go out and get me a GT-R, but last I check they still had a $15K mark-up! But for what I can see the GT-R just may be worth it…

Yarddog, I also bemoan the death of the S2000. It’s the only interesting thing Honda makes besides a decent generator.

Its too bad the S3000 has been canned. The s2000 was a great little machine, but needed some serious updating.

Honda has a bad habit of making a great car and then just declaring themselves “done” and selling it foerver….see the NSX and S2000 for examples. Maybe they would still be selling if they were updated more frequently….

I agree with miket they did some stupid changes like cancel the Integra,CRX,Prelude,RSX,and rename the Legend to RL.Now killing the S2K and NSX.like I said this the end of honda

inline6, Toyota and Honda were bleeding in mid ’80’s when value of yen went from 240yen for USD to about 110. That is why we have so many manufacturing plants in US bearing their insignia. Furthermore, Japan itself has been in the economic funk for the last 15 years. We are heading economically into Japanese territory, it is not another way around. That’s why Japanese factories are shut down at the first sign of economic trouble.

This is unacceptable, and sadening. I guess I’ll just hold on to my S2000. I can’t bear seeing it go away considering they’re killing the RWD platform and not updating it. Shame.

why don’t they just cancel the word fun. What’s left? Civics and Accords? Screw FWD!

why is it when domestics cut back production of vehicles everybody talks s**t but when it happens to honda or toyota excuses fly. the current crisis as i have said has nothing to do with poor quality domestics but our current financial situation.

Too bad about the S2K… it was Honda’s only performance car… it will be missed.

Sorry about this, but after all the tripe and cheerleading I have read on this site I can’t resist – TDF:-))) Now who has been saying this and for how long? No, not just Moi…

DB9

PS. ROFLLMAO:-))) Okay, I’ll act my age now – felt good though;-)

Don’t worry about the world coming to an end today. It’s already tomorrow in Australia

Acura’s been a dead issue since Lexus showed up anyway
Anybody who actually thought they’d go after the leaders has found another thing comin’
A 2nd-gen S2000 would be a sweet car
Looks like the S resale values will start to take off
DrFill

It seems crazy that they’re ****canning the S2K replacement. Eventually when the market settles, hopefully sooner than later, I could see this car being even more attractive. It’s affordable, handles great, has good acceleration, and a 4cylinder w/good mileage. This is obviously a model for performance cars in the future.

Crying shame. Toyota walked away from me when they canned the Celica, MR2, and Supra. Now Honda does so as well. Actually, Honda pissed me off when they took away the Acura RSX from the American soil. The RSX Type S’ resale value is so high, even for a used good shape ‘02 example can net around $10k, making it rather expensive for an older car. The goodness of such like the RSX is still well worth it to me.

I feel ya
Had a 97 Integra ,yself
2 Sweet!
Honda doesn’t know if it’s comin oir goin
DrFill

The Integra and RSX defined “affordable driver’s car.” All the similar priced offerings from Infiniti and Lexus were very bland (okay, flat out boring) at that time. Now Acura and Honda is stepping in the boring direction just like Lexus and Toyota. Yawn. Infiniti and Nissan have stepped up and granted us some pretty desirable “driver’s car” selections as since the first 2003 G35 and 350Z came about. But where the hell is the “affordable” part?

I wanna be
Wanna be like Mike!
DrFill

This is more like it. Reality comes home to roost.

There is nothing desirable coming from this company. And the numbers FINALLY prove it.

The S2000 is nothing but a need-to-rev, used soap bar.

Oh, almost forgot, buy gold.

could careless if they cancel it. Miata MX-5 is a better option. It is the standard.

That sucks for the S2000. My father-in-law has a 2000 model, and it’s fun to drive. But they are definitely showing their age. A four seat replacement ala RX8 would have been sweet.

bullitt – Are you fcking high!? The Miata? Why would you even embarrass yourself by saying something so stupid. So you would rather drive a Miata over an s2k, 350z, mustang gt, sky, solstice, or an rx-8? Sorry bub, but it’s the other way around for me. I would rather own any of those way before a Miata.

Implusive – It does “need-to-rev” yeah, kind of. I do agree that the ap2 was aged and the need for a new facelift was due. But the f22 that’s in them is one of their best engines. They have been heavily engineered and tested, and for get that little guy to do those amazing numbers is rather impressive IMO. Why do you think the average aftermarket parts for them actually decrease performance? I’m talking other than Spoon and Mugen of course. All I’m saying is go test drive an 08 s2k, 350z, and an rx-8 and see which one puts the biggest grin on your face. For me it was the Honda. The heated seats in the Z were nice yeah, but I wasn’t looking for a luxury car, I was looking for a sports car.

The Miata? It’s a chick car just like the Honda. Hell, the Boxster and Z cars should have built in tampon dispensers and douche spray in the seats they’re so f’n gay. The Saturn Sky and Solstice are the only ones that matter here and Honda knows it can’t compete in performance, quality or reliability next to General Motors.

This is called, “We’re focked” and the going out of business signs should be coming to your nearest Honda dealers any day now. GM is taking names and kickin ass!

An American Revolution Biotches

All you Japanese fanboys / Detroit haters seem to forget (or maybe never knew) that Nissan nearly died in the mid-to-late 1990’s, and if it wasn’t for their hookup with Renault and Carlos Ghosn, they would probably be gone by now, AND Mitsubishi was on death’s door less than 5 years ago, and received bailout money from the Japanese government. Mazda nearly died in the 1980’s too. About the only Japanese automakers who haven’t nearly died at one point in the recent past are Honda and Toyota.

^ Yup. It’s just the way it goes. I thought Nissan had gone down for sure back then. But look at them now.

Things are tough all over.
Don’t wanna launce many new products during a recession. Just hold onto your cash — you’ll need it.

“A—a’s rear-wheel drive program was developing legitimate competitors for BMW’s 3-, 5- and 7-Series sedans.” Sure. And I’m developing a pill that’ll make your car run on water.

“A—a’s first true BMW competitor was slated to hit the market in 2015 and would have taken on the BMW’s flagship 7-Series.”

Maybe by then it’ll be more likely than Monica Sweetheart leading the NBA in rebounding.

“The demise of A—a’s rear-wheel drive program also means the death of the company’s V8 plans.” And its plans for dedicated models.

LLN, you should have typed ” … given the Japanese automaker equal footing with the world’s luxury automakers.

can there be such a thing as a hybrid sports car?

tripleonefive: “2015 was a little late for a RWD.” 2002 was a little late for a RWD.

“Also they should move up the RL in size,” and onto its own platform.

Struggle “Yerp, lose the ‘RL.’

Far too many cars like it around as it is.”

Acoord, “TL,” “TSX”

mayer_ray_nagin: the Insight should be a hit — i don’t think people are fooled by today’s gas prices.

JakeK66: “Hey, I really liked the 05-08 RL and if I had been born a millionaire that would be my ride of choice.”

You can’t be serious.

christianboy10: Honda is far from dying.

tripleonefive: The malibu is marginally better than the accord/tl. I’d prefer the Mazda6 or Charger.

“There is no real rival for the Civic other than the Corolla and the Mazda 3.” No, the only true Civic rivall is the Corolla. Above those two are the many better compacts.

yarddog82abn: “Last night I was watching The Fast & Furious on TV.” I hope I never get that bored.

mayer_ray_nagin: I do not bemoan the death of the S2000. I’d like to see more miata knockoffs disappear.

Honda makes decent generators, lawnmowers and bikes.

miket: “The s2000 was a great little machine.” Uh, no. it was/is an overpriced miata knockoff — bettered at that game by two continents.

“Honda has a bad habit of making a great car …” Just stop and come back with a new premise.

RaineMan: it’s a stretch to call the s2000 a “performance car.”

vortec4200: “I walked away from Toyota when my Celica turned out to be such a hunk of crap.

Impulsive: “There is nothing desirable coming from this company.” wrong. There is nothing desirable WITH FOUR WHEELS coming from this company.

You read WorldNetDaily?

ltbullitt

“Miata MX-5 is a better option.” so are all the other miata knockoffs, except the Mr2.

bigjimid: 350z is a car for adults, not the same category. Ditto Mustang and RX-8

Need more oil for GM: The Sky and Solstice are the best, but give credit where due.

‘jjt’, correction noted.

Should I read WND?

I have an RL now and I was truly looking forward to the 2011RL.

that was funny from the gm burning oil guy.
Saturn and pontiac are better the the s2k, z ect….

Thats about the same as saying the pontiac fruitfly was better than the civic.
Do you remeber gm saying that about 15 years ago.

Speaking of time. Is there a GM that is still running and reliable that is over 10 years old?