We can laugh rightfully all we want about crappy Toyota quality, but if I had one of these and got paid a load over market value for it I’d be stoked. Then I’d get the hell out of Toyota and buy a real truck.

Well lets talk about GM They’ll just say buyer beware

What other company would buy back an 8 year old truck and give more than FMV ? Certainly not an american company

Im not convinced that the owners werent responsible but good for Toyota for doing what they are doing

Resale reliability and sales remember

Nice of them to do this, but they shouldn’t have designed a truck so crappy in the first place. GM or Ford has NEVER designed a truck with frame rails so cheap and rust prone as the Tacoma’s, and they’ve been building trucks since before Toyota even existed as a company.

1115, where does “reliability” fit into this picture, since you want us all to remember it?

“Well lets talk about GM.”
This is a toyota thread, but 1115 is obsessed with GM, and wants to turn everything into a GM-bashing opportunity.

Why?

There are theories here

http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-recalls-249400-vehicles.html

yeah, oh wait you don’t see Ford or GM or Dodge buying back 10 or 15 year old pick-up trucks why?? Because they are still running and doing what they were meant to do. Do heavy work. I give props to Toyota for doing what they are doing but ZO6ified said it just right.

Ford or GM or Dodge wouldnt buy back ****!
Lets talk about the Gm turbos the Seville 4 5 6 the recent truck and Vette recalls, Any Ford pretty much or the Chrysler transmissions or their latest issues
Those are SEVERE problems that those companies rarely or never adressed and certainly never paid for or bought back their crap Why should Toyota ? First some idiot doesnt put their mat in place and you recall and recut them ?
I think Toyota is going too far with this. Cars rust Lets not even talk about how american cars rust or had part fall off !
Toyota and Honda are honorable bc this is something that comes with time.
Whats next you’ll want them to pay for brakes and tires ?
Please! Rust ?

are you ****in serious 1115?
Are you that brain dead, that stubborn, than when it is reported that Toy’s quality SUCKS you refuse to believe it? You are “not conviced” that this is a mistake on Toy’s part? That there isn’t someone else you can blame it on? The owners…lol…what if I said that all of the problems that happened decades ago with American cars were the result of all those people not being responsible.

And come on, your question on “what kind of company would buy back an 8 year old truck and give it more money that is worth” has already been answered. A company that is concerned with keeping its false perception of quality and “washing out the bad taste in their customer’s mouths” would do that.

And lastly, like mayer_ray_nagin said, what does this have to do with reliability (which the Camry and Tundra have already proven is bad). This is about QUALITY or lack of it

Let’s talk about the fact that once again the company that makes “perfect vehicles” has egg on their face and buying their way out of it.
Let the word go out to the masses.

Admitting you have a problem is the first step, so props for that.
Toyota hasnt built a good pick up since ‘87. Since then most have good 4 cylinders and rear ends. But
Trannys are crap, sheetmetal is so thin they dent when you lean into them to pull your tools out and apparemtly they rust like hell.

“Ford or GM or Dodge wouldnt buy back ****!”

none of them would “buy” my POS honda. It wasn’t even worth the disposal fee.

And the first jerk that takes the money to put down on a tundra should be taken out in the street and beat the crap out of.

My guess is they are putting that money only towards a new Toyota. But LOL @ 1115 for putting an anti GM spin on a story about Toyota trucks rusting so badly that they have to be taken off the road!

TripleOne5 has a good point. Toyota didn’t intentionally engineer their trucks to rust and since they did, it is obvious they are taking responsibility and not letting the buyer take the hit. Those buyers are going to buy a Toyota again because Toyota stepped up to the plate. Pretty much unprecedented.

“Nice of them to do this, but they shouldn’t have designed a truck so crappy in the first place. GM or Ford has NEVER designed a truck with frame rails so cheap and rust prone as the Tacoma’s, and they’ve been building trucks since before Toyota even existed as a company.”

HAHA so true!

“”Well lets talk about GM.”
This is a toyota thread, but 1115 is obsessed with GM, and wants to turn everything into a GM-bashing opportunity.

Why?

There are theories here

http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-recalls-249400-vehicles.html”

LMFAO

1115 is a idiot..

Show me some stats of the “proven unreliability” of the Toyota Camry Please I beg you
Then show me some reliability of the precious Maliboo ?
Toyota has a PROVEN reliability that cant be killed by false reports people whining about rust (on a car? No way ) or by a company that tried to use patriotism to sell cars
The american car problems in the 80’s all the way till today are results of poor build quality Gms 456 turbo’s Fords cars catching on fire and Chysler having K car transmissions in minivans are all the manufacterurs problems due to greed and american ignorance of the then upcoming superior engineering from foreign competition
Toyota has nothing to be sorry for nor apologize about. Im glad they are being so generous but I think its a bad move american idiots (jjt commo and others) take thing too far and will be whining about everything bc they know Toyota will go out of their way to replace it

Trips is tripping, rusted out frames has jack **** to to with old Seville’s, your such a ho ass mother****er.

1115 again proves his idiocy is deeply rooted in his genes.

Many of Toyota’s ad campaigns have American patriotism written all over them as they try to appeal to more and more people. Don’t they claim to be something like part of the “landscape of America” which is true because they now admit their trucks are rusting by the side of the road.

1115 should do the honorable thing and commit hari kiri now while his delusion is still intact.

And i had a link for this 3 days ago.

400horseSS, you should start your own auto blog, I’m sure it would get great deal of visitors.

If any of you ever go to Fatburger, don’t interrupt 1115’s janitorial duties and ask him to bring you napkins. They’ll probably be used.

These frames rusted like nothing Ive ever seen on a car in 30 years. This is the least they could do. It wont be long before these trucks start folding in half.

Like a Taco.

LOL, 1115 is asking for proof about Toyota fallibility, like we haven’t been down this road before. You want proof? Re-read those Toyota recall threads. But I figure you’ll just ignore all the evidence, just like you did last time…

BTW, you’re right. You’ll probably never see GM do this kind of thing. Then again, they probably won’t HAVE to!

Then again, they probably won’t HAVE to!
Dont even have enough confidence in your precious GM to say definetely huh
Bottom line Toyota still will be worth more than a comparable GM
GM Ford and Chrysler have and would just deny the problem and the consumer ends up paying out the ass
The examples I gave have EVERYTHING to do with what Im talking about
Toyota is being too nice in this situation
If it werent for Honda and Toyota GM would have worst cars on the road then they do currently

Weks eat a dick.

“Bottom line Toyota still will be worth more than a comparable GM”

TO WHOM?

“If it werent for Honda and Toyota GM would have worst cars on the road then they do currently.”

I think you meant “worse cars,” and if that’s the case, you’re right

The only reason why Toyota is going out of their way to buy back these trucks is because they know they could have a HUGE class action suit against them when people start dieing because their Tacomas start ripping in half while driving on the road like Enzo’s. It’s not because Toyota CARES. It’s because they know if they buy back a few thousand Tacomas that have a FMV of like 8k or 10K each or whatever, it’s going to be cheaper then paying millions or hundreds of millions in legal settlements. However it’s a very crafty way of doing it because it shows the Toyota owners that they care, and yeah most of them probably are going to take that money or have it credited to purchasing a new Toyota. At least that’s what Toyota is hoping. I’ll buy a car or a SUV (I want a 4Runner lol) from Toyota, but I wouldn’t touch their trucks with a ten foot pole.

1115. You are almost as retarded as I am for even responding to you. You are clearly brain dead, or at least very unintelligent.

Your entire argument is defeated because every time something bad comes out about Toy, you point to GM and how they haven’t proven their reliability. Well, no, because it would take 10 years to prove their BRAND NEW cars. But where you prove yourself wrong is by calling on GM to prove its reliability. They haven’t, but they haven’t proven themselves unreliable either. Toy on the other hand is PROVING ITSELF TO BE UNRELIABLE so how can you say that Toy is better than GM because GM haven’t proven themselves when Toy is proving itself to be unreliable. You are holding GM to a higher standard, which they are meeting, and which Toy is failing miserably at as proven by this and the billion other problems that have come to light about Toy.

so who is selling a bunch of these for cheap so I can sell to Toyota?

commodore: Straight sense!

Going by 1115’s “10 year rule” I suppose Toyota has now officially proven to him that they build ****ty vehicles because these crappy trucks are about 10 years old.

Haha, thanks JJT? I am not sure if you are being sarcastic because I made it way too complicated, but it still had a good point (I think)

He yells at GM for not “proving itself to be reliable” while Toy is proving itself unrealiable

Commodore, it’s complicated because it’s hard to prove a negative. You said it as well as I could have…

BTW, I didn’t say they WON’T have a similar recall, because I don’t have a crystal ball that sees into the future. I’m making an educated guess based on my observations of vehicles that come into my shop. Yes, I am an automotive professional, and I have some insight. And this Toyota ‘recall’ doesn’t surprise me in the least.

PROVING ITSELF TO BE UNRELIABLE? WHERE WHAT EQUATION ?

The resale is still up and there is no credible argument to question Toyota or Hondas reliability.
Like I said any resale book any credible car mag still rates Honda and Toyotas over any comparable American car. You have yet to show me a Camry or Accord on the worst list
NO ONE on this board has yet bc its not true

However we have companies that have their trucks that catch on fire and have bad brakes which I’ve proven That same company has their top sports car with a faulty roof that FLIES OFF FLIES OFF Where are the buybacks there ? Is that the owners fault ???

Rust ? Are you kidding me Rust ?? LIke every american car you ever owned didnt have a bad case of rust

Toyota you are making a wise yet silly move. Its not your problem that the cars rusted

Call up GM and tell them to give refunds on all the POSs they sold with bad trannys, turbos, engines and all that BS!
Tell Chrysler to give consumers their money back for the k car trannys

Tell Ford to buyback every escort every Crown vic that exploded Every focus with a bad master cylinder

Toyota is truly better than any American company and its ashamed that Toyota has to do this when GM, the same company that moved their Detroit operations to Mexico in the 80’s and put Americans out of work and then try to sell them on patriotism can get away with not doing buybacks of their inferior products

blah blah blah blah.

Once again for the reading inpared (1115), this is about TOYOTA building POS trucks that rust out. I don’t see GM vehicles with this problem, and I live in the rust belt.

Im sure you do live in a rust belt but take a look at which company is on top and selling more cars with higher resale values and reliability ratings
Rust is not the responsibility of Toyota but this proves the Japanese are truly better

How is this helping Toyota maintain their resale value again? I think I missed that little gem…

Z06ified, you took the cake, nothing else needs to be said about this deal. The Domestics got it right the first time, and although this move is commendable by Toy Ota, it still doesn’t take away the fact that they sold absolute garbage to unsuspecting car buyers.

As usual, the ignorance and overstatement here is staggering.
Toyota did something nice, and soemthing they certainly didn’t have to do.
Tacoma might have the best reputation of any Toyota vehicle.
Toyota is protecting their equity.
Talk to an owner, and they generally rave about the trucks.
I’ve driven new ones, and they drive better than Camrys!
Smart move.
You can try and playa-hate.
You should appreciate!
DrFill

The little “gem” is that even with this bull**** GM cant manage to make a car with a higher resale
Hows that for a “gem ” lol
This will blow over bc its bull**** anyway

1. Higher resale values…that seems to be the only argument you have left. If you mean that Toy buying back vehicles from its customers for 50% more than they’re worth is good resale, then yes, no other car company is that desperate about getting caught for bad quality. But if you are trying to tell me that Toyonda has the best resale you are simply wrong as I have illustrated in the past – Volkswagen has the BEST resale according to Kelly Blue Book.

2. Don’t start the Camcord vs America argument again. We have been there, done that. And remember that the three top midsize cars are the Camry, Malibu, and Accord. Some magazines put the Accord on top, others says its the Malibu. Fewer say its the Camry with the new quality issues. REGARDLESS, its pretty clear that Malibu and Camcord are equal so call it even there. If you want to be an import humper for life, go for an Accord. It’s not any better OR any worse than the Malibu. They are all good cars in my book.

3. The story about the Corvette’s “roof” flying off seems to be your favorite. This time you say “well, is it the owners fault”. No it is not. That obviously why GM recalled the 1000 or so cars that were affected that fixed what was wrong FREE OF CHARGE. But keep in mind that is not really a comparable issue. This was a recall affecting PARTS of a few cars. The Toy problem in this thread is about the ENTIRE CAR being made USELESS because of rusting. And don’t even get me started on Toy’s “warranty enhancements”…

4. Then you say that every American car has had rust. Proof please? And only explain to me how it is not Toy’s fault that the cars rusted too much. Whose fault is it?

5. I find it really funny that you are trying to bash American car companies for bad trannies and turbo engines because the V6 Camry was the very car that had problems because of its bad transimission and Subaru (WHICH IS NOW PART OF TOYOTA) had to stop selling its cars that had turbo engines because of quality problems. So thank you for providing two more examples of Toy quality “proving itself”

6. I’d also like to know more about your conspiracy theory on American car companies moving all the production work down to Mexico and trying to sell cars out of patriotism. I actually think that is something that GM should be stressing in their commercials – how much better American cars are now than ever before and how people shouldn’t be like 1115 and just ignore anything that is not a Toyonda but should instead come and look at/consider an American car ALONGSIDE their foreign car options. But remember, it is not WHERE a car is made. It is WHERE the profits go that make it American/South Korean/German, ect

DrFill – you are right in a sense. They are trying to protect their “equity”. Wipe the foul taste from their customers mouths like LLN says. Toy is basically trying to throw money at people instead of letting the public see how low-quality these Tundras are. They want to be seen as “nice” instead of getting a reputation for questionable quality (a reputation they deserve to have) and you are eating it up. I don’t see what’s so honorable about that. I think it would be much more honorable to admit you have a problem with quality and that you are not any better than really any other car company, save for Chrysler

http://blog.toyota.com/2008/03/living-up-to-ou.html

Dr. Full of ****,they put thounsands in danger period, nice move my ass I smell lawsuits.

I hate Toyota (and all japanese) trucks. I have nothing against imports, but there is nothing more american than a pickup truck or a muscle car. People should support their own country when picking a car, unless its kind of a “niche” car like the mx-5 or gti once were.

RogerHumboldt – while I agree with you to a degree, you are certainly going to be attacked by 1115 in his next post for being “too patriotic” as if that was ever a crime. He will pretend that the only reason you don’t like Jap trucks is because you are patriotic and that’s it.

In reality, Americans have been building trucks and muscle cars for decades. That is their strong suit, along with full size cars and SUVs. I will give it to the Japs though that hybrids and econoboxes are their strong suit

It would be interesting to know how many trucks are bought back under this program and the affected vehicle’s location.

Quite the thread. Yes, there have to be Tacoma frames that rusted or we wouldn’t be having this discussion. How do you think Toyota first discovered the issue? I’m willing to bet a customer brought his Tacoma in for service and once on the hoist for routine service the service technician brought an issue to the service manager’s attention. From there it went to the owner of the dealership. From there it went to the regional manager who issued an alert to all dealers to look for similar occurrences. This produced enough response that the regional manager went to his direct report on the national level. The national rep filed his report and caught the attention of those who have the power to act upon it. They did.

This is not about Toyota vs. GM or Godzilla vs. Rodan. It’s about people doing their jobs and making the right decisions. Toyota and especially the chain of employees that made this happen should be commended.

johnny – great hypothesis, carefully crafted to fit your stance on the issue. Yes, it is possible that this case (and Toy in general) represent the epitome of perfection when it comes to customer satisfaction. Another possibility, however, is that a proud import-humper, owner of an 8-year old tough/solid as a rock Tacoma was driving down his street when he hit a bump in the road and the rusted frame simply broke down. That of course is a half-serious example, but the point is that maybe this wasn’t just a routine inspection where the mechanics discovered the problem, but maybe the “truck” simply fell apart. Both of our stories are pure speculation though so for now we don’t know if Toy has amazing customer service or whatever. That is not the issue.

The issue is that this company which holds themselves to be above all others, especially Americans, in quality for the past several decades has this and many other serious problems happening to its vehicles. Many of my import friends, like 1115 , say that Toys can run for 200,000 miles no problem and last for years and years. Well this is another example that they do not. THAT is the issue we are discussing here – Toy’s QUALITY. Not customer service. Not resale. Not reliability (which is related but definitely not the same thing as quality)

“Its all related to quality and Subaru is now a part of Toyota” lol how convenient that you tried to squeeze that argument out The two companies have no mechanics in common at least not yet GM owned 34% when that engine was built if you want to be petty about it
The least Gm can do for the Vette is fix it for free bc they used to charge for that even though its their problem
You still haven’t provided quality problems regarding the Camry
The top 2 cars are the Accord and Camry. If there is a third It comes from the French Japanese company Nissan in the form of the Altima
The Malibu is new and not yet proven and thus not in the league as the Honda or Toyota. Initial quality studies mean nothing until a car stand the test of time and that cant be ignored nor denied which you are trying so desperately to do
Where are the sales of the current model Camry ? Is the resale been affected?? Is it a worst pick on any car list? Still haven’t shown me that evidence. Where is it ??
If that idiot likes “good ole boy” American muscle then so be it. His American muscle will be up on blocks in the trailer park.
He even will take the restriction plate off but keep that on the down low lol

LOL, Nissan. Just the other day I noticed an Altima with large cancer spots – from the rocker under the front door all the way back to the dog leg.

And as far as Camry defects, please re-read the Toyota recall threads you always seem to conveniently forget.

Isn’t it crystal clear that toy is just another overseas car company?

“bad feeling out of a customer’s mouth”

Did they mean bad TASTE out of a customer’s mouth? Like when 400 sucks off his dad and then rinses his mouth?

In all fairness to 1115, the search links are apparently not working…

Commodore: I was being straightforward. When I bull****, I make it obvious, like that time I shot a 62 at Pebble Beach.

mayer: “Going by 1115’s ‘10 year rule’ I suppose Toyota has now officially proven to him that they build ****ty vehicles because these crappy trucks are about 10 years old.
No, because that rule only counts in terms of GM.

1115 “You have yet to show me a Camry or Accord on the worst list
NO ONE on this board has yet ….”

I guess it’s time for me to renew my commuter-coffin rankings. I’ll use the Camry as 100. Other numbers represent how much sense it makes to buy that car relative to a Camry

1 GM Epsilon 392
Accord/”TL” 381
Mazda6
Ford Fusion 379
Hyundai Sonata 359
Subaru Legacy/Liberty 346
Toyota Prius 316
Altima 314
Galant 284
Volkswagen Passat76
Sebring 270
Kia Optima 268
Camry/es350 100

“LIke (sic) every american (sic) car you ever owned didnt (sic) have a bad case of rust.” No American or Japanese car I’ve had had significant rust problems.

“Call up GM and tell them to give refunds on all the POSs they sold with bad trannys, turbos, engines and all that BS!’

No, 1115, GM paid for those ‘80s mistakes with lost market share.

DrFill: “don’t ever use the term “playa-hate” again.

1115: “The little gem’ is that even with this bull**** GM cant (sic) manage to make a car with a higher resale.” You ever heard of the corvette? Not that I’m accepting theoretical resale values as legitimate, but I just thought I’d throw that at you.

Commodore: “If you are trying to tell me that Toyonda has the best resale you are simply wrong as I have illustrated in the past – Volkswagen has the BEST resale according to Kelly Blue Book.”

But Volkswagen doesn’t count in KBB.

“ its pretty clear that Malibu and Camcord are equal.”

No, the Malcord is better than the Camry.

“I actually think that is something that GM should be stressing in their commercials – how much better American cars are now than ever before and how people shouldn’t be like 1115 and just ignore anything that is not a Toyonda but should instead come and look at/consider an American car ALONGSIDE their foreign car options.”

I think GM should say straight-out “this car is the best in its class. Buy it.’

400horseSS: your blog citation shows that this country is full of soft-minded dupes.

RogerHumboldt: “People should support their own country when picking a car ….”
I disagree. People should get the best product that suits their needs. That’s why I drive a Buick.

“Many of my import friends, like 1115 , say that Toys can run for 200,000 miles no problem and last for years and years.’

I say Toyotas can run for 84,000 miles and last six years. At least, that’s been by experience.

1115: “Where are the sales of the current model Camry?”
What’s that got to do with quality? By your reasoning, N’sync (sp?) is better than Jimi Hendrix!

“Is it a worst pick on any car list?”
YES!!

Driving home on I-5 Friday, I saw a mid-90s accord broke down. A Camry and a Toyota Previa, an early-‘80s j-body, and a late-‘70s Datsun. Not sure any of that means anything.
And one of my co-workers just bough a ’68 Cougar.

My Toyota Sienna van with 22000 miles on it seized the engine for no good reason. Had it serviced at Toyota every interval, and Toyota would not fix it citing “lack of maintenence”. I had to take legal action, and then they replaced the engine…ridiculous! Then they extended the warrenties on all of these engines because everyone else was having the same engine lockup issues. I got rid of the van and will never go back to Toyota, simply because of the way they handled me. Big ****ing jerks.

I liked the Sienna better than every other van save the obvious, but quality ….

jdasch1: you must be mistaken. Toyota takes extremely good care of their customers who have problems. 1115 told me so.

raiv: What domestic beers would you recommend? I also like Michelob Ultra

jdasch1, thats what happens when you get big.

jjm; my favorites are all local brews from around the country. For instance, Cleveland has Great Lakes Dortmunder Gold, the south has Shiner Bock, Wisconsin has New Glarus Brewery Spotted Cow and Edel Pils, NY has Brooklyn Lager. Some of the larger good beers are Yuengling, Pete’s Wicked Ale, and Red Dog. There are plenty of good imports, too – but some of these beers are excellent!

Mayer: “Going by 1115’s ‘10 year rule’ I suppose Toyota has now officially proven to him that they build ****ty vehicles because these crappy trucks are about 10 years old.

*No, because that’s is a questionable situation about a trust that rust Every car has a rust issue in its lifetime and its not a major mechanical flaw like bad engines Turbo or a roof that flies off

“You have yet to show me a Camry or Accord on the worst list
NO ONE on this board has yet ….”

*And still haven’t our commuter coffin list is based on what??? Nothing you and your janitor buddies opinions I guess in the break room at your store that acceptable but it’s not for the American public sorry

“Like (sic) every American (sic) car you ever owned didn’t (sic) have a bad case of rust.” No American or Japanese car I’ve had had significant rust problems.
*Yea the Tempo right

“Call up GM and tell them to give refunds on all the POSs they sold with bad trannys, turbos, engines and that entire BS!’

*GM shall always pay for those mistakes until they have a car that proves it’s reliable over a 10 year or more period of time. Let’s talk about how GM was profitable in the 80’s and still closed down factories and moved them to Mexico

DrFill: “don’t ever use the term “playa-hate” again. –
*I agree don’t use Bling bling either

“The little gem’ is that even with this bull**** GM can’t (sic) manage to make a car with a higher resale.”
You ever heard of the corvette? Not that I’m accepting theoretical resale values as legitimate, but I just thought I’d throw that at you.
*Yes I have heard of the Vette and while the Japanese don’t make a competitor l’ll just have to use the NSX as its closest comp and the NSX doesn’t have a roof problem or any other issues except the design has been around too long
*Whatever KBB says is law bc its used in courts of law and at dealers so if they say VW has the highest resale then so be it. I know the GTI is in high demand and doesn’t have any problems.

“Its pretty clear that Malibu and Camcord are equal.”
*Blasphemy! The Accord and Camry are equal! The next competitor is the Altima or maybe the Hyundai Sonata. The Malibu is unproven and is going on a bad track record from a company known for poor build quality and low resale
No, the Malcord is better than the Camry.
*Show some real data that shows this otherwise this is your janitor opinion and say it as such
“I actually think that is something that GM should be stressing in their commercials – how much better American cars are now than ever before
*Once again show some data that the cars are better than before and more importantly better than the Japanese competition. You can’t ha

And how people shouldn’t be like 1115 and just ignore anything that is not a Toyonda
*Show some solid evidence that the American cars are equal or better than Toyota or Honda?

But should instead come and look at/consider an American car ALONGSIDE their foreign car options.”
*WHY? The American car companies have proven that they are unreliable over the last 20 years and counting . They used and abused the American consumer and would be till this day but people don’t buy their product anymore. They are desperate not to go out of business so they are claiming that their cars are better but there is not any proof to back this up

I think GM should say straight-out “this car is the best in its class. Buy it.’
*It would be a downright LIE just BC you like saying them doesn’t mean that GM can BC they will get sued BC they have no data to back that bull**** up

400horseSS: your blog citation shows that this country is full of soft-minded dupes.

*Anyone that can be convinced to buy American out of obligation is an idiot and I agree
Roger Humboldt: “People should support their own country when picking a car ….”
I disagree. People should get the best product that suits their needs. That’s why I drive a Buick.

*Like this guy here lol JJT is a janitor and he needs to carry around buckets and mops and a Buick is perfect for that Why mess up a car with a high resale like Honda or Toyota. I agree

“Many of my import friends, like 1115 , say that Toys can run for 200,000 miles no problem and last for years and years.’
*The majority of Americans have Toyota and Hondas that have lasted over 250k with very few problems. That is why they sell so well have higher resale’s and reliability rating. They are always on top and this is the gospel
1115: “Where are the sales of the current model Camry?”
What’s that got to do with quality? By your reasoning, N’sync (sp?) is better than Jimi Hendrix!
*Refer to my last statement I don’t like either your fag boy band or the druggie hippie guy
“Is it a worst pick on any car list?” YES!!
*WHERE SHOW ME SHOW ME WHERE IT IS AND SHOW ME WHERE THE BU RATES HIGHER! IM WAITING A REAL LIST NOT YOUR MADE UP ****

Lets see all I see are dodges GMs and Fords on the sides of the road where I live. You are lying to try and prove your point and it’s so obvious it’s sickening

One of my co-workers just bough a ’68 Cougar.
*He had to put a new engine and all new tranny in it. I’m sure the only original thing may be the shell
Once again your shot down Now ……………………..
CLEAN UP THIS PILE OF ****!

As if that never happened with a GM van and its more likely that it will happen with a GM Furthermore you probably didnt do any maintenence on the van
A sienna or a venture ? Im going Sienna
actually Im going Odysey but thats cuz I love Honda
Eat it

tripleonefive wrote:
…. “Ding fries are done, ding fries are done, ding fries are done.”

1115 says “Where are the sales of the current model Camry ? Is the resale been affected?? Is it a worst pick on any car list? Still haven’t shown me that evidence. Where is it ??”

What are the sales of the current Malibu? About 50% higher than the old model, with virtually none of them going to fleets. Instead the old Malibu, renamed the Malibu Classic, is used for fleet sales. The new Malibu has that 50% increase completely because of the public buying the car. The Camry’s sales are largely flat (or down, I have to check) and more and more Camry’s are going to fleets.
What’s the resale of the new Malibu? A lot higher than the last one. Transaction prices are up $5000 too
Is the Malibu the worst car on any list? NOPE meaning, again, that it is in the same boat as the Camry. In fact, The Camry and malibu are constantly in the top 3.

Anyway, back to Toy’s horrible quality which is what this thread is about. Not midsize car wars.

MERRY CHRISTMAS (follow the link baby)
http://money.cnn.com/2008/04/09/news/companies/toyota_recall.ap/index.htm?postversion=2008040913

About 50% higher than the old model
* SO is it converting import buyers? NO and the sales of the last two Malibu’s where poor so what does that prove? NOTHING Nice try

Largely flat or down? I know you have to check and when you do please write back and stop spreading falsehoods in order to prove your BS point See you made that stmt without checking Tsk tsk

Constantly in the top 3? Uh, no the last 5 years the Accord and the Camry have been on top 2 with the Altima being the third and the wildcard being the Sonata. The Malibu has been on the market for what 6 months so how can it constantly be in the top 3? It has to wait its turn like everyone else and earn its way up. There you go jumping the gun again

When I look up the Malibu I see fleet sales and I see complaints. When I look up the Camry or Accord I see high resale strong record and praise for build quality and reliability. Also let me see the Camry recall you claimed, you never showed me that or tell me where I can find it

I rented a car in February and they had one Camry and one Accord. I ended up with the G6 BC it was cheaper (BC its American) and I was only on vaca for 4 days so I could deal with an inferior ride. Your fleet sales argument is bogus and you are praying and hoping that it lowers the Camry’s value which wont happen bc the Camry sells and people want to buy it. People don’t buy the Malibu they rent it. You just don’t get it do you ?

The Malibu’s resale and reliability is lower than the Accord and Camry’s and it is worth less and never should be recommended over the Japanese until Gm proves it can go the distance
The new Malibu is not a proven vehicle and won’t be for at least 7-10 years without recalls or breakdowns. GM has a rep for bad cars and they have to prove themselves reliable. That won’t happen overnight. Toyota and Honda have already and continue to do their job at proving reliability and build quality. You want GM to succeed so bad you are trying to push them through just like JJT got pushed through school and ended up a janitor

No matter how many times you exaggerate a recall it doesn’t destroy 20 plus years of reliability from Honda and Toyota just like one new unproven car doesn’t put GM in the league of Honda or Toyota.

I know you are slow so I will say it as many times as I need for it to sink in. If I were at all patriotic and uneducated I would be on your side of this argument.

You can send that links all you want but all it says is that Toyota got in bed with GM and paid for it. Toyota will learn its lesson and not mess with GM bc they bring quality down

Im not reading all that ****.

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OK smart a$$e$ saying the buy back is a good thing and that GM & ford would,t do it. Where the ***k can you even get another SR5 loaded for that price. Mine was a1997 w 140000 miles. That would be a great price IF YOU WANTED TO GET RID OF IT. The try to find another with that money. It was baiting dung for brains. They want to sell the Tacoma freaks new trucks. My 1997 had a lock differential. the 07’s and up don’t. They cannot go where my 1997 could. The money is a bait to sell. The economy sucks and Odrama will own it when no one can afford these trucks. Blue Book on my truck in “excellent” condition brings the price to around $11,700. Where are the one for that price. They are junk and being bought back. Dah! So you have to go up into the 2000’s models. Right away the dealer mentioned putting it on a new one. I want to sucker punch the dork. Now $11,700 is going to by what? A Ford? their the only pieces of crap that would sell for that. Of course unless you were to find a GM with a 1/2 million miles. Can’t anyone see it is a tactic to get these of the road so you by new. Has anyone crawled under and looked. I’m going to. and taking a hammer. If it isn’t scaling or you are lied to about the condition then it is obvious. I want to see it. If it is a pin hole I will take the truck and braze the hole plus pump spray rust inhibitor down the inside, coat the the braze and monitor. You have time to see if you can stop it. My truck would not sell for what they want to give. But there is or never has been anything wrong. They better have an obvious issue on the frame on my truck. If they are if it is a ploy I cannot say where I might put that hammer! I would challenge and stock truck to follow this SR5. It will climb a tree and I have had Ford and GM’s that without the locking diff. No go. I love Chevy power and could end up with one. A full size. Baiting people. Selling by giving you extra. You can’t buy nothing for $6000 give or take a couple. Half that again and watch the sucker nurse like a calve without a mother.