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Toyota continues to deny Tacoma defect in the face of mounting evidence

06/10/2008, 3:54 PM

By Drew Johnson

Earlier this year Leftlane reported that the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration launched an investigation involving Toyota’s Tacoma pickup truck for unintended acceleration, and it looks as though the situation has only worsened over the last few weeks. Since April, the NHTSA’s number of complaints have skyrocketed from 33 to 431.

Moreover, the NHTSA is now reporting 51 crashes and 12 injuries linked to the possible defect, up from just 8 crashes and no injuries just two months ago, according to the Detroit Free Press.

In the face of mounting evidence, Toyota continues to deny that there are any problems with the Tacoma. The Japanese automaker claims the majority of the complaints are “minor drivability issues and are not indicative of a safety-related defect” and the more serious complaints were “inspired by publicity.”

“Toyota believes that it is likely that many of the consumer complaints about the general issue of unwanted acceleration … as well as many of the complaints about this subject that have been received by Toyota, were inspired by publicity,” Toyota said in a letter to the NHTSA released Thursday.

Despite Toyota’s claim, the Detroit Free Press has discovered that 403 of the 514 complaints Toyota received came after October 2007, the first time any local or national news agency reported on the story.

The possible defect could impact 775,000 Tacomas built between 2004 and 2008.

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06/10, 3:56 PM

posted by:

Madcapp

Toyotas suck the donkey dick. I pitty the fool driving such a bland and boring ride.

06/10, 4:15 PM

posted by:

DANNYACE

OHHH HOW THE BIG T WILL FALL
flash back to early ford recalls
**** BIG T
DA

06/10, 4:18 PM

posted by:

WEKS

Sounds like it’s time for a recall.

06/10, 4:21 PM

posted by:

Get Real

Thinking more and more like a USA company.
Welcome to America Mr. Toyota.

06/10, 4:30 PM

posted by:

xyunya

Since all those truck are build right here in US, management acts like it is “Big 3″.

When I drove Ford pickup, while working for construction company in college days, I could not have unintended acceleration, even if I wanted one: impossible with “three on the tree”.

06/10, 4:33 PM

posted by:

Dodge_fanatic9

japans way off taking over america: kill us in their vehicles!

06/10, 4:37 PM

posted by:

HemiRoadRunner

Toyota sucks my American B@LL$. I have NEVER heard of a domestic vehicle having a problem like this.

06/10, 4:49 PM

posted by:

tripleonefive

Yea the domestic trucks only catch on fire and burn homes down
People have to remove their mats or check the mats after they come back from the car wash to make sure they are locked in.
People like to jump on the bandwagon bc they think there will be a lawsuit and money. Typical lazy american way of getting money instead of earning it

06/10, 4:52 PM

posted by:

xyunya

The biggest unintended acceleration was Audi, then Ford and Olds followed the suit. All those examples become public after manufacturers lost their days in court. When Japan wanted to kill America they did Pearl Harbor Day. They need us alive and well and wealthy: who will buy their cars?

06/10, 4:52 PM

posted by:

xyunya

and truck

06/10, 5:18 PM

posted by:

kitko

Isn’t this vehicle made in the US?

Mazda 6 sold in Europe and Made in Japan is more reliable than the same car made in Michigan.

Anyway, the worst recorded case of spontaneuous acceleration was recorded in Europe, where Renault Espace accelerated to about 100mph and got stucked there – car’s electronics stopped responding to everything, even switching ignition off didn’t work. I think the driver finally stopped using combination of a handbrake and metal barriers on the side of the highway.

06/10, 5:34 PM

posted by:

wbent

Toyota’s complaining about the NHTSA’s process of alerting the public to a potential issue which is precisly what the domestics have complained about for years. Historically this happens every time. The difference being that Toyota was very crafty in subverting the process until called to the matt. Now after years of myth building allowed by govermental entities and numerous pay off’s to media sources Toyota has to play by the same rules and snivels about it. Welcome to Detroits world! You Toyogasmic’s are getting your world crushed while Ford and GM move up in virtually every quality study Toyota moves down. Given the same rules Americans still can and do out perform!

06/10, 5:45 PM

posted by:

NoNameDenton1

Not suprising, after the recalls of the Tundra for all its issues and that sludge in the engine for other vehicles, Toyota will start losing respect if they admit to another vehicle issue. (Oh and I forgot the Tacomas they admit will rust).

06/10, 5:45 PM

posted by:

mayer_ray_nagin

The good thing about unintended acceleration combined with a rusted out frame is that the Toyota truck might split in half when the perfectly engineered engine guns itself it may tear the high quality frame in half and if you are sitting in the bed you dont have anything to worry about.

Those Toyota engineers think of everything!

06/10, 5:50 PM

posted by:

elviososa

I think that may be the way that those drivers wanted to get off their truck purchase agreement. Crazy people do crazy things.

06/10, 5:51 PM

posted by:

olds307

Has nothing to do where its ASSEMBLED. It’s a Japanese engineered vehicle full of japanese made and engineered parts.

06/10, 5:57 PM

posted by:

1c3d0g

Toy Ota can’t build a decent truck. This is a fact. Leave the truck-building to the Domestics, they’re unbeatable in this segment, Toy Ota.

06/10, 6:06 PM

posted by:

johnnycanuck

C’mon Toyota. Whatever happened to the old adage that any publicity is good publicity. So what’s the matter? Have you got a load on your mind or in your pants?

06/10, 6:17 PM

posted by:

NoNameDenton1

Maybe Toyota will give away more free Taconmas of the owners of the affected vehicles.

06/10, 6:19 PM

posted by:

Bubs Solo

more injuries via Toyota engineering…yet 1115 will still claim the opposite. Before he cries back corvette roofs falling off have caused more injures than this latest Toyota blunder. I would like to say to him please stop living in denial. Toyota is not what they used to be…not by a long shot. One day that will be obvious to everyone.

And I hope I never hear you make that ridicules claim that Toyota’s have never caused injuries due to recalls or faulty engineering again.

06/10, 6:22 PM

posted by:

Bubs Solo

Johnny they’re Japanese they got nothing in their pants.

06/10, 6:33 PM

posted by:

injunraiv

Once again people, this is an INVESTIGATION, not a recall. As much as I’m (no so) secretly giggling my ass off this afternoon…

06/10, 6:40 PM

posted by:

Need4SSpeed

I’m not going to spew a bunch of “Haha’s” Or “Toyota Sucks!” on here but i’m going to say this.

first off yes olds307 said it right, Assembly probably has nothing to do with this, it could be an electronic issue or mechanical issue, but it’s in the design.

Secondly I’ve been saying this ever since, even for years, ever since Toyota started to get big, they are on this rapid explosion of mass producing vehicles to become the largest automotive manufacturer, which they are now. However this happenned with GM, and it’s really looking like it’s going to happen to Toyota, things start to get overlooked by upper management while they are piled on with production goals and then durability testing with vehicles and parts gets shortened because the employees get pressured and rushed into getting vehicles on to the assembly line to be sold, my father has worked for GM for over 30 years, he’s worked in almost every aspect of the automotive business except for design, and engineeing. He saw it happen with GM in the 70’s, and 80′ all the way up until the present. I think Toyota does make some great quality vehicles, but their entire North American line-up has no excitement or soul. They’ve become bland basic people movers. And if they keep things up this way and don’t realize what they are doing it’s only going to get worse. Yeah they are going to make $$ and a lot of it but in the long run unless they keep quality and stay committed it’s going to happen to Toyota just like it happenned to GM.

06/10, 7:33 PM

posted by:

jayjc08

Almost certainly it’s programming, not mats. How else could this happen to five or six different vehicles in their lineup?

The thing that gets me the most is that Toyota isn’t taking the blame for it. It’s enough to avoid it, but denying it and then blaming it on the publicity that comes with such a claim is pretty ridiculous. If Toyota had investigated the problems themselves, or gave some form of relief, then they would have dealt with the problem much more quickly.

06/10, 8:55 PM

posted by:

wbent

needforsspeed has alot of it right but the one thing that the domestics have not benefitted from that Toyota has is the free pass in the media that the likes of Consumer Reports and Motor Trend have afforded them. There has always been (since the 80’s) a media bias against the domestics. You are starting to see a shift by the strong showings from Ford and GM but the bias is still there. The Ranger beat the Tacoma for quality…. a 20 year old truck.

06/10, 9:54 PM

posted by:

NoNameDenton1

njunraiv, the headline does make it clear there is mounting evidence that there should be a recall.

06/10, 10:34 PM

posted by:

Ford_Sucks

There is such a bias it is unbelievable. If you go to fueleconomy.gov e.g., you can see that the 4spd automatic Malibu is actually more efficient than a honda accord, and equal to toyota camry. Everyone praises Toy Ota as someone in here put it, but few have actually driven all the different vehicles.
Somehow even LLN calls the camry a fuel efficient vehicle, but I am not seeing it. It is just on par with the rest of the class hile it has the least hp. If you go for the v6 model there is a good chance you’ll find it on the side of the road.

06/11, 1:36 AM

posted by:

02WRXPSM

I don’t see the media bias against the domestics. Car and Driver and the big mags always have American cars on the cover; right now, all I see on covers are the Challenger, Vette and the Vipers and Mustangs they are comparing them to. Do you see Toyotas as cover cars in those magazines? The all-Asian contingent usually shows up in Consumer Reports, but not in pop media. The problem with domestics like the Malibu is that they might do well in an area like gas mileage, but then rule themselves out of the pack with inferior build quality or poor sight-lines or cheap interiors or a harsh ride. You’ve got to excel in many areas at once, not one or two.
I think Need4Speed nailed it when he says that Toyota is facing growing pains as it tries to scale up to being the biggest car company in the world. If there is an acceleration problem, they need to own up to it — but it IS true that when someone alleges a defect, a hell of a lot of lawsuit-happy people suddenly jump on the bandwagon and complain, which generates the false complaints they are referring to.

Recalls are no big deal, both my Subarus had at least three recalls apiece for minor issues. You just get it fixed at the dealership with your 30,000 mile service.

06/11, 3:51 AM

posted by:

NoNameDenton1

Maybe if the Japanese cars were more exciting to look at they would be on the cover.

06/11, 8:51 AM

posted by:

frylock350

@xyunya,
My first car was a early 70s F150 with a big Ford V8 and three on the tree. That thing had so much torque it really only needed second gear. I miss that truck, was good for some hoonery.

@02WRXPSM,
Car rags typically love domestic performance vehicles. C&D is a bad example too. They don’t care for domestic or Asian, they just love’s them some bimmers. In a recent comparison they picked an M3 over a GT-R simply because its a BMW, completely disregarding the Nissan’s superior performance and reliability (I’m assuming like Nissan’s other V6’s, the GT-Rs will be quite durable).

@Bubs Solo,
There’s a video on YouTube of a guy whose Sequoia with <50k on the odometer blew a ball joint on the highway and caused his SUV to roll.

@1c3d0g,
Toy can build a good truck, they just refuse to sell it here. The Hilux sold elsewhere is a smaller ranger-size pickup and its just as durable as the Ford. The rest of the world gets better small trucks than we do. Hell Thailand has a Chevy Colorado with a GMT900 SUV style facelift (and it looks awesome), but GM decides we don’t get it. Toy and GM both hold out on their better compact trucks fro this market.

@ Ford_Sucks,
Malibu offers class-leading fuel economy with the 6sp auto and the Ecotec I4. That’s what they should be discussing.

06/11, 9:40 AM

posted by:

xyunya

As cars(trucks) rely more on electronic components more of those gremlins will crop up. The new direction is throttle by wire like in jets, but in each airplane there there is triple redundancy in addition to hydrolic/mechanical means to control emergency. Those redundancies are impractical in a car (pilot goes through multi million dollar training and kids are trained in 20-100 hours of driving). Something in those Toyota’s screwed up and Toyota has a good legal team to provide plausible denyability, but our legal system will take of them. If defect will be found Toyota will pay dearly. Actually, they will pay anyway, because there will be a court and a jury who will award to plaintiff without very hard evidence. Then the faucet will be open. Theoretically, Toyota can’t even fess up to the problem instantly, because it is automatic legal liability.
I think olds307 is partially right: the truck is assembled and designed in US by Toyota. I never saw those trucks in Japan, they used smallish vans and trucks, those would be impossible to maneuver in Tokyo end smaller cities.

06/11, 9:46 AM

posted by:

Buhbye

I cancelled my subscription to Car and Driver last year. Their continuous message is simple. Buy Honda. I had a Honda that began to be unreliable at 27,000 miles. The car would die without warning. Dead battery with no idiot light or gage warning. Screw Honda and Car and Driver. Their second car to brag about is BMW. I have seen MANY BMW’s pulled off to the side of the highway, and riding on the backs of car carriers. Drove several back in 1998 because I was considering buying one. Overpriced and overrated. Screw BMW and Car and Driver. I’ve decided to only buy Ford or Chevy from now on.

06/11, 9:56 AM

posted by:

tripleonefive

I had a Honda that began to be unreliable at 27,000 miles.- Highly doubt it since everyone elses Honda’s are reliable along with Toyota

BMW Overpriced and overrated.- Overpriced yes, Overated no

I’ve decided to only buy Ford or Chevy from now on. You must love repair shops

06/11, 10:01 AM

posted by:

Need4SSpeed

lol I hear everyone on the media Bias. I was subscribed at one point in time to multiple car magazines. C&D (I still am) Motortrend (no longer am), Automobile (no longer am) Road & Track (no longer am) and Autoweek (I still am). Let’s just say I used to look forward to checking my mail every day. From my experience Motortrend, Automobile by far had this huge bias against the domestics it made me sick. Automobile mag I have no hope for. Motortrend is getting a little better. but I buy the occasional magazine that looks interesting to me rather than subscribe. Buhbye, I hear you on their message however from my reading I didn’t seem to see as strong as a bias as I did with MT, and Automobile. Autoweek is a cool magazine because it’s not as thick as the other magazines, becuause you get an issue every week as opposed to once a month. It also covers racing, events, and has interesting classifieds in the back of real cars enthusiasts would like to see. I strongly recommend it.

06/11, 11:05 AM

posted by:

Bubs Solo

1115
I had a Honda that began to be unreliable at 27,000 miles.- Highly doubt it since everyone elses Honda’s are reliable along with Toyota
It’s true. It’s true. Honda and Toyota have not employed mechanics since 1989. Yup because they are sooo perfect and every car is sooo reliable they have not needed mechanics since 1989. In fact these cars are sooo grrreat that they blow gold out of their tail pipes.
See 1115 is not the only one here that can talk out of their ass.

06/11, 11:19 AM

posted by:

tripleonefive

Well then you are the minority as most Americans have had positive experiences with the likes of Toyota and Honda

The cars are solid and last long without any or very little and minor issues This is why the resale is high and its not mass illusion but proven fact

I never once said the cars were godlike or perfect just a lot less likely to breakdown or have issues when compared to an American car

If people would have bought Ford GM and Chryslers based on build quality and not bc they were American then these companies wouldn’t be in the jams they are currently in

BTW the tailpipes blow diamonds not gold

06/11, 12:17 PM

posted by:

injunraiv

Yup, 1115 says so, therefore it must be true. Oh wait – I forgot that just about EVERYTHING he has ever posted has been debunked.

But then again, maybe he calls unintended acceleration a positive experience…

06/11, 12:31 PM

posted by:

tripleonefive

LOL I would love for you to show me where ONE thing that I have said has been “debunked”
You seem to know little for being a “car” salesman lol

06/11, 12:38 PM

posted by:

shaver

They have pushed there model proliferation, increase production and increase profits so far that at this point gains are going to be harder and harder to achieve. Cost cutting will become more and more apparent with Toyota.

06/11, 3:31 PM

posted by:

Ibcheeky2

“BMW Overpriced and overrated.- Overpriced yes, Overated no

I’ve decided to only buy Ford or Chevy from now on. You must love repair shops”

“LOL I would love for you to show me where ONE thing that I have said has been “debunked”

.
.
^^^Retard^^^
BMW is ranked in 21 in J.D. Powers 2008 Initial Quality Survey. Both Ford and Chevy are in the top ten, far ahead of BMW and even Acura. The 2008 Chevy Malibu also ranked first in the midsize car category over both The accord and Camry in a survey done by J.D. Power and Associates.

You have a better chance of seeing a repair shop in a BMW or a Acura.

06/11, 3:37 PM

posted by:

tripleonefive

If you had read the phrase debunked was meant for inj
and if you had read the board at all in the last 8 months you would see that J.D. Power and Associates is a MR company you jack off!
We have already discounted what they say
Pay attention lol
But but JD Powers said lol
Try looking at KBB and Edmunds or something that doesnt evaluate cars and Flow bees in the same magazine

06/11, 4:26 PM

posted by:

injunraiv

Hey, I found 1115 on TV last night… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HksXMVhxdxY

I love the part where the chicks in the hot convertible just laugh at the ‘posse’

06/11, 5:08 PM

posted by:

tripleonefive

Well you sell those cars on your lot lol
You sell Pontiacs hahahaaa

06/11, 5:18 PM

posted by:

injunraiv

F R E E that spells free…

11/04, 1:24 PM

posted by:

jackjimturkey

I’m not surprised. Hitler was telling folks in march of ‘45 that Germany was still winning the war.

 
 
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