They’ll do that easily. Not a Toyota fan, but it is true that they sell extremely well everywhere.

They won’t ever sell another one to me! Mine died at 84,000 miles.

Environmentally friendly my xxxxing xxxxxxx. We’ve been through this amillion times.

^^^^no **** time and time again, over and over, now we all know the damn truth, there is no such creature when it comes to hybrids, doesnt it make you feel good toyota thinks the whole damn world believes their friggin hype.

They’ll be lucky to sell 10 cars in the US. We just don’t want them or the rest of the import trash here. They don’t belong here and anyone who supports them should also leave the country.

This is a perfect opportunity to spread more misinformation about hybrids and the evil Sudbury nickel mines. Who will be first to display their ignorance?

and u should to 1487_GM_SALES for being ignorant

GM: Sales

Of course, they’ll sell more than 10 cars here, because there are more than 10 retards, and another 10 dimwits, plus a feww coimmunists, brain-dead tree-hugger, assorted losers and followers, plus some nissei, and that all adds up.

Just because you can get a better car for less doesn’t mean there won’t be some who choose otherwise.

u should leave that is

jackjimturkey what do u mean by a better car, even tho im not a toyota fan.

“Toyota says much of the increased production will go to fuel-efficient, enviromentally friendly vehicles.” More propaganda straight from toyota. It doesn’t even have anything to do with the subject of the article. It’s uncalled for. I guess toyota figures that if you tell people your enviromentally-friendly long enough, they’ll believe you even if it’s far from the truth.

I guess jackjimturkey is right. For every Import, there’s an unAmerican Ahole waiting in line to buy it. Trust me buddy, there is a dwindling Pro-Import population in this country, Toyota and the rest of the trash have an uphill battle ahead if they want to remain in business. GM in general wipes the floor with their sorry ass and will continue to do so. Look at the Tundra and the Camry and the Avalon for some of the most unreliable POS cars out there. Even Mazda and Volkswagon aren’t as much of a POS as Toyotas.

i personally would never EVER buy a Toyonda but being an objective person i am not going to sit here and call those vehicles pieces of **** when i know they are not. Toyonda just doesnt make cars that appeal to me, and doesnt hurt to mention that it annoys me that so many people have this unfounded faith in them because of what the media says. But in any event they will continue to rock it out for a while until hybrids are obsolete. then they will be sitting on a **** ton of boring ass cars the same way GM/Ford are sitting on big SUVS and Trucks

You guys are all pathetic. Your total misinformation about really everything about this topic is deeply concerning. You foolish, morons who believe in such retarded ‘conspiracies’ should shut your mouth for good. I’m so xxxxing tired of all of you dumbxxxxs on here acting like you have a clue, any clue at all, about this subject, I’m also tired of coming onto a site where we are supposed to logically and reasonably discuss cars and encountering GM supplied advertising xxxxs like GM SALES, this is a disgrace.

While you guys are sitting here bitching about Toyota, you really should figure out their method of making that much profit and growth… it’ll really help you know, so you can start making real money. PS: Toyota doesn’t give a single damn about what you think about them, you being a very minor minority that is dwindling as seen by their growing sales numbers. Either you submit to their will or resist and be left in the future to buying ****ty leftover cars (unless you got the $ for an Audi or MB). F***** losers…

“But in any event they will continue to rock it out for a while until hybrids are obsolete.”

Outside of US, they’re not known for their hybrid image, rather as the cars that go on forever. That image is hard to shed being that it’s true (given my personal experiences in the oil fields). So they will continue to rock it out for a long long time…

1487_GM_SALES: well xxxxing said!

unAmerican Ahole?!…let me tell you who is an unAmerican Ahole…one that pretends that everything is A Ok while the freaking ship is sinking, one that when all else fails has to resort to the empty cliché of patriotism, one that loves to get it from behind no matter how much it hurts.

veda: I guess you define “forever” as somewhere short of 84,000 miles

“1487_GM_SALES: well xxxxing said!”

Not very good for a salesman. But then what do you expect of one?

Toyota’s have there place in society but those who prefer to drive good looking cars go elsewhere. I see more old people driving Camry’s then Buicks anymore.

Deanster admitted above that his a$$ho!e is environmentally friendly. Just how welcoming is it?

Toyotas have their place in society as scrap metal. The idiots who buy them are the ones who don’t belong in society.

you know who’s unamerican? the idiots who buy gm vehicles manufactured in mexico when they could be buying toyotas and hondas built in factories in the good old usa. way to be patriotic, idiots. continue supporting the mexican workforce!

There’s absolutely nothing wrong the the people of Mexico.

The mexican workforce is just as capable as the Americans. Fact is a mexican built GM will run for decades just like one built in the US. Owners will never have to even touch their cars and the only reason they get out of them is because an even better one has caught their attention. GM owners are owners for life!

“veda: I guess you define “forever” as somewhere short of 84,000 miles”

I’ve had about 3000 Toyotas that I’ve owned and maintained in my workshop for the the past 34 years so I know damn well how good they’ve become in the last decade or so. Their el cheapo tincan minivans and pickups still work decent after 100,000 miles in heavy duty semi-offroad oil field operations at Chevron. The ones that don’t make it were the Opels and Ford Rangers (can’t stand mixed diesel). Ask why an American oil company trusts Toyota more than GM for their business operation. So don’t give me that single car individual purchase experience BS I hear so often about. Not that I would buy a Toyota for personal use, but you idiots fail to see that increasing sales = doing the right thing meaning durability in most people’s mind.

One day your stupid little environmentally friendly image will die. Along with your perceived realiability. Its too bad that so many Americans are so xxxxing stupid that they don’t realize that at this point all major automakers have the same realiability (except for the chinese POS). They take comfort in buying their little Toys and Hondas and think that they are buying good cars.

By the way, I am so sick of these articles about Toy and their ‘predictions’. And crap about consumer reports and the Tundra. Leftlane is really one sided.

“GM owners are owners for life!”

Damn right… Most likely because nobody wants to buy their used ones so they’re stuck with them for life.

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“you know who’s unamerican? the idiots who buy gm vehicles manufactured in mexico when they could be buying toyotas and hondas built in factories in the good old usa. way to be patriotic, idiots. continue supporting the mexican workforce!

Comment by Jordan, posted on August7 at 3:15 pm
There’s absolutely nothing wrong the the people of Mexico.”

Are you gonna say that too when you start talking about buying the :uber cool environmentally friendly Prius; built in Japan?? Who gives a **** where its built. What matters is where the money goes. If you buy a JAPANese car the money goes to JAPAN. If you buy a car from an US carmakers, regardless of where its build the majority of the money goes back to America!

Why do you think Toyota builds their most popular car, the Camry, in the middle of the USA? So ignorant people like you feel better about buying a foreign car, because they think they are being patriotic for buying a US-made car! So why does GM build cars in Mexico? Because in Mexico they can escape from the UAW (Toy doesn’t have to worry about Unions at all). O, and I’m sure you’ll point out that GM also builds cars in Canada under the CAW..that’s because they don’t have to pay healthcare costs to their employees there (Canada has universal healthcare) since healthcare is by far the most expensive thing GM has to pay US workers that Toy DOES NOT. So why does GM have to use lower quality materials in its cars that Japan? Because of the economic difference – GM can’t afford to use high grade materials in its cars without going WAYYY over the price of imports in which case people will still buy imports because they would have the same quality materials but be a few thousand cheaper. GM has $1000s of extra cost per car they build, its just ridiculous.

“So don’t give me that single car individual purchase experience BS I hear so often about.”

You hear this stuff OFTEN and still don’t get it?

Commodore: Flow of money issue aside, what’s your point? You’re pissed because GM can’t get out of the xxxxhole it’s in? You want us to buy GM after knowing the reason why their cars are inferior compared to the competitions? Or you’re blaming the union? Regardless, it all comes down to one thing, GM’s cars are inferior thus the lower sales numbers… and oh the “perceived” reliability is not just perceived, it’s seen through and through.

“You hear this stuff OFTEN and still don’t get it?”

Yea, I still don’t understand why the same idiots think they have the right to moan and bitch like a used chick in sites like this because of their single bad experience with a particular brand/item/whatever…

Veda, the only oilfields you know are the skidmarks in your underwear, you disgusting Ssongyang driving Indonesian tranny!!! LOL!!!!

Veda: Nota sigle experience in my case:

Mom, cousin: toyota to ford
Me Toyota to chevrolet
Aunt Toyota to cadillac
Uncle: Toyota to Jaguar.
In every case, we all realized we bought the wrong car the first time

Veda: are you a lady? I knew a girl named veda, and I’m kind of having trouble reading your name without visualizing her. That’s not an insult or anything, I just don’t like to be wrong

Another lousy argument parroted by the ignorant – “The money goes back to Japan”.

Toyota, like GM and Ford is a publicly owned company. Anyone can buy a share. Now, I know most of you children don’t own any mutual funds or other investment vehicles, but if you did, chances are pretty good YOU would own Toyota stock.

Here is a list of Toyota’s top shareholders as traded on the NYSE: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=TM

With names like CITIGROUP INC. and FIDELITY DIVERSIFIED INTERNATIONAL FUND on that list, even 1487_GM_SALES can see that the all the money does NOT go back to Japan. Keep in mind that these companies shares spread even wider.

Now comes the real mindblower children. Do you think every share of GM and Ford is owned by Americans? Of course not, so GM and Ford PROFITS (what little there have been recently) ARE LEAVING THE COUNTRY!

I just think it’s funny how the emphasize all the environmental stuff while they make trucks/suvs/etc just like everybody else. Marketing, psh

I agree with kosai03 – example..new tundra — especially the crew cab. Priuses too actually. They are built in Japan and it takes I believe 10 million gallons of petroleum to diliver a bunch of them here. I can get the newspaper article if ud like, but think about how many miles you have to drive a prius before they make up for the damage burning all that fuel to get them here caused.

Random Jerk (nice username, very befitting), obviously Toy drops a few dollars of profit while they are building their camries here in the hopes of swaying minds to buy camries. But that little boost is NOTHING compared to what GM could do if it made as much profit as Toy. You are right that foreign companies invest in Toy, so to others in GM (take the Russian guy that just bought 5% of GM) but the OVERWHELMING majority is put back into America. You said it yourself, “not ALL the money goes back to Japan”. Key word is ALL..yes, not all..but a WHOLE LOT of it does.

Veda – I’m not making excuses for GM. I don’t need to. I was just pointing out all the difficualties GM (and the Big 3) have to overcome in the hopes of you people not calling them “idiots” and “theres another stupid thing GM does..cant wait to see them go under”. Have you tried any of GM’s new offerings? The Aura certainly isnt an inferior product, neither is the upcoming Malibu (the interior is very competitive). The Fusion from Ford is also very good. I drive an 06 Mustang right now – what does Toyonda offer that is even minorly exciting? Auto-parallel park? Thanks, but Bill Gates and the other geeks can pick up that one. The Corvette is AMAZING, so are the Solstice and Sky. The Enclave, Outlook, and Acadia are great looking and very fuel efficient for what they do (And they are not badge-jobs). You certainly can’t call the Edge or the Escalade/Yukon/Tahoe/Subrban/Silverado/Sierra inferior productions? The new G8 that’s coming out looks very promising, as does the new CTS. Do I have to keep going? Although I admit there are some GM products that are not competitive, all the ones I just mentioned should definetely be on your list to at least CONSIDER when you are shopping for cars similar to them. I see no reason why you people have to worship Toyota when theres a perfectly good American product (with the new 5yr/100000 mile warranties if youre worried about reliabilty) out there.

Well said commodore. Not only is about where it’s built, but where the money goes. Also, don’t think for one second that toyota assembles as many vehicles in the U.S. as GM does. Last time I checked (not sure if this is still true) around 83% of GM vehicles sold in the U.S. were built in the U.S. Whereas 27% of toyotas sold in the U.S. were assembled in the U.S. Some of those toyotas didn’t even have their parts produced in the U.S. they were only assembled here.

Veda wrote, “Regardless, it all comes down to one thing, GM’s cars are inferior thus the lower sales numbers”

So is that to say that Toyota was inferior all the years that it was behind GM in sales? Your reasoning is simplistic. There are many factors involved in sales numbers, the least of which is not image. If you’re old enough, you should remember how fast the tides can turn.

Veda also wrote, “the ‘perceived’ reliability is not just perceived, it’s seen through and through.” Come on Veda, you remind me of early 1990s domestic loyalists that (being blinded by devotion) wouldn’t admit that the Japanese brands had become true competition in the auto industry.

According to Consumer Affairs (I know, I know, but numbers are numbers http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2006/07/toyota_recalls.html), “Toyota has now recalled almost 800,000 vehicles in July” and “Last year, Toyota’s recalls in the U.S. more than doubled as the number of recalls industry-wide registered a slight decline.” Industry-wide recalls declined, but Toyota’s more than DOUBLED. Now that’s a trend worth watching.

In Toyota’s rush to sell sell sell and be number one, it doesn’t seem like they are putting the consumer first. According to MSNBC, “The automaker has received reports of 11 accidents and six injuries connected to the recall [of 533,000 Tundra pickup trucks and Sequoia sport utility vehicles], said Toyota spokesman Bill Kwong.” Good job Toyota.

i just want to thank everyone for shutting Veda the F**K up!! To stuck on toyonda love to even let the thought of considering an american vehicale cross his mind. Again I dont think toyondas are bad cars but some americans have brains and dont listen to what their dumb neighbors, friends, and news stations say. We like to form our OWN opinions.

What are you talking about masteryoda83? I’m still here. Ha ha…

GMCsyclone#478: No, far from a Toyota worshipper, I will probably never own a boring ass Toyota for personal use. But on the reliability note, I’d admit that their newer models like the new Camry sucked when it comes to initial quality and I will also admit that I fear these newer models will be just as unreliable as Toyota’s competitions. However, I stand by the fact that their previous models are built to really withstand abusive use.

Commodore: You talked about style and excitement which is clearly something we can’t all agree on ever. You said GM makes good product which could be true but a good product that’s expensive when compared to the competition is not a very good product. Unless of course you’re talking Ferrari, Lambos, etc… Plus 5yr/100000 mile warranties don’t do you any good if you have to keep coming back to the workshop. It’ll still pisses you off…

jackjimturkey: You can go to Chevron now and ask them what cars they use for their overseas operations. Your list doesn’t make sense and two of them upgraded to more expensive cars, so if they’re not getting a better car then they’re truly idiots. Plus you can just make up stuff lists like that anyway you want. I have the facts, if you care enough once again go to Chevron and ask them.

Veda, we never EVER said that the 90s Toyondas were bad. In fact, I agree with you on this. I believe that their reputation for reliability is only perceived TODAY but it was once real. I mean people didnt wake up one day and decide to tell their neighbors to buy Toys and that they didnt have any problems with theirs. Toyota, as you sort of admitted, USED to be good. GMCyclone said it best: After Toy’s new CEO lauched his new plan in (I think) 1996, he called for Toy to no longer stay back behind General Motors, that they were gonna make a run for the #1 spot. Since then, their reliablity has severely decreased (even their CEO admitted it) to the point that they are no longer a leader in reliability. The recalls that GMCyclone pointed out are evidence of that fact. GM has pretty much caught up in every way. They are completely capable of building a good car as they’ve been showing us lately. They’ve replaced pretty much all of their pieces of **** cars (by 2010-2011 all cars like the Lacrosse, Grand Prix, etc will be gone). All that stands in GM’s way is the consumers’ worry that American cars are bad, and all the extra costs they have that the Japs dont. It took a long way for GM’s reputation to be tarnished like this, and it will take a long way for it to make a comeback.

Same goes for Toy, the number one thing driving people into their showrooms is their perceived reputation. That’s all theyre riding on. Honda makes better cars that Toy, even Hyundai, and yes, sometimes even the big 3 in certain segments. Just as it took a long time for GM to “fall” it will take a while but one day their dumbass little prius will run outta gas and people are gonna WAKE UP. Like masteryoda said, people are gonna try out all cars and make a desicion that way, not run into the first Japanese showroom they see like their neighbors told them to.

Keep the laughs coming, GM_SALES, jackjimturkey, and Commodore. Very entertaining.

Commodore: Ok, I can agree 100% on your last post. Anyway, more competition is better for the consumer anyway, let that be a slap to Toyota’s face to wake up and fix the quality problems on their new models. I’m getting tired of having to send back every new Camry for loud rattles and broken sensors.

commodore, for the most part, you’re blazing right, bbut i think toyota makes better cars than honda. i’ve owned buth.

I’ll be driving the new Tundra later. For work.

Many consumers think every Big 3 made car is the ‘82 citation.

never mind some of the great (if boring) american cars of the last decade or so.

RobCali – you forgot to point out WHAT I said that made you laugh so much. And please don’t put me in the same category as GM_SALES – he doesn’t make any sense and is probly paid by GM to advertise them like this..its quite pathetic actually

Veda – glad we agree.

jackjimturkey – its a matter of preference. The current accord is beat by the camry, but the new civic beats anything of itsize over at Toy. Simply put, if you want a car go to honda (plus CR-V for some) and if you want a truck go to Toy. Of course, when it comes to trucks I would always go domestic on that one bcuz if the Big 3 kno anything, its how to build a truck. I myself can’t see why you’d go for the Tundra (big incentives perhaps?) when the domestics have been building trucks for more that 3/4 of a century, but its america. Do what you want. Did you at least consider Sierra/Silverado/F-150/Ram? And the titan too?

Corolla is a terrible car, but the civic is even worse. I’d rank the s2000 over the Mr2, but b.eyoond that, the toyota is less bad in every segment.

The Civic, all-new generation of which debuted recently is WORSE than a 4 year all, end of its product cycle Toy? Sorry, but I’ll have to respectfully disagree. When the new Corolla comes in 2009 then we can compare them.

Commodore: Not that either is any prize, but I stand by my ruling

HUGE FIGURE, BUT THEY WILL REACH THE TARGET.