Comments on: Toyota: “our competitors are jealous of our success” http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html Car news, reviews, and specs for the auto-industry Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:43:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: jackjimturkey http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-303803 jackjimturkey Fri, 23 Mar 2007 21:16:54 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-303803 I’m a former Toyota owner, and will stay that way for the rest of my life. I’m not one of those loyalists, but I’ve got to question some of these stories. 288,000? I didn’t even get half that out of my Toyota, and barely got a third. Thought it was the worst car ever, until I owned a Honda. I’ve also owned a Ford Tempo, which, even though I wasn’t good at keeping up maintenance, lasted longer than the Toyota (someone is probably still driving it) I’ve owned three domestics (including my current Olds), none of which was a pizza. Two of the three eastern cars were execrable. The only one that wasn’t was a Mazda. Tot only did my Toyota not make it to 100,000, I don’t know anyone who’s gotten one that high, and I live in Southern California! There were several Toyota owners in my family. What do we drive now? Olds, Chevy Tahoe, Cavalier, Ford, Caddy and Jaguar. I think at some point, (late ‘70s, most of the ‘80s) Detroit made crappy cars, but that was some time ago, because they know if they don’t build something of good quality, they won’t sell. One thing that helped our eastern friends was their habit of issuing a new model after four years, versus six for the domestic trio. Maybe the new tundra will be a change, but as far as I know, Toyota has never built a vehicle in the United States. The company pretty much builds all the parts elsewhere, and assembles the vehicles in America, along with some locally sourced components. I’m not saying it doesn’t create jobs here, but lets not call them something they’re not. The only reason I see for buying a Toyota (or making up a false storey about it lasting 288,000 miles) is out of sympathy for the two bombs we dropped on them. Meanwhile, I have relatives who thing august 6th and 9th should be holidays. J.D. power doesn’t say what a “problem” is. I think there’s a difference between a glove compartment knob that comes off in your hand (typical GM problem) and a head gasket that leaks like a sieve (Typical Toyota problem) Toyota The One You Ought To Avoid johnstew, you bought a Camry for the little woman to drive. It simply went down the “L” line instead of the “T” line. People who think the Camry w/ “L” is a performance-oriented car, probably also think it’s a luxury car. I’m never buying another Toy-ota or Honda again, but as long as brain-dead nincompoops think those companies make cars that are worth buying, GM and Subaru will continue toy keep their eyes on high quality, so I win as well. I’m a former Toyota owner, and will stay that way for the rest of my life. I’m not one of those loyalists, but I’ve got to question some of these stories. 288,000? I didn’t even get half that out of my Toyota, and barely got a third. Thought it was the worst car ever, until I owned a Honda. I’ve also owned a Ford Tempo, which, even though I wasn’t good at keeping up maintenance, lasted longer than the Toyota (someone is probably still driving it) I’ve owned three domestics (including my current Olds), none of which was a pizza. Two of the three eastern cars were execrable. The only one that wasn’t was a Mazda.
Tot only did my Toyota not make it to 100,000, I don’t know anyone who’s gotten one that high, and I live in Southern California! There were several Toyota owners in my family. What do we drive now? Olds, Chevy Tahoe, Cavalier, Ford, Caddy and Jaguar.
I think at some point, (late ‘70s, most of the ‘80s) Detroit made crappy cars, but that was some time ago, because they know if they don’t build something of good quality, they won’t sell. One thing that helped our eastern friends was their habit of issuing a new model after four years, versus six for the domestic trio.
Maybe the new tundra will be a change, but as far as I know, Toyota has never built a vehicle in the United States. The company pretty much builds all the parts elsewhere, and assembles the vehicles in America, along with some locally sourced components. I’m not saying it doesn’t create jobs here, but lets not call them something they’re not. The only reason I see for buying a Toyota (or making up a false storey about it lasting 288,000 miles) is out of sympathy for the two bombs we dropped on them. Meanwhile, I have relatives who thing august 6th and 9th should be holidays.
J.D. power doesn’t say what a “problem” is. I think there’s a difference between a glove compartment knob that comes off in your hand (typical GM problem) and a head gasket that leaks like a sieve (Typical Toyota problem)
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johnstew, you bought a Camry for the little woman to drive. It simply went down the “L” line instead of the “T” line. People who think the Camry w/ “L” is a performance-oriented car, probably also think it’s a luxury car. I’m never buying another Toy-ota or Honda again, but as long as brain-dead nincompoops think those companies make cars that are worth buying, GM and Subaru will continue toy keep their eyes on high quality, so I win as well.

]]> By: valetordie http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-301043 valetordie Fri, 02 Mar 2007 00:02:40 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-301043 My 03' Tacoma's motor blew at 82,000 miles. I have a flawless service record. Toyota is slipping. They are riding off of their name, but it will eventually catch up with them. This was my second Tacoma. When I called Toyota to complain, no one could help me, and no one cared. Their attitude was "sorry sir." Well, I can't buy a new motor with SORRY!!! I HATE Toyotas and will never buy one again. ~Brent~ My 03′ Tacoma’s motor blew at 82,000 miles. I have a flawless service record. Toyota is slipping. They are riding off of their name, but it will eventually catch up with them.

This was my second Tacoma. When I called Toyota to complain, no one could help me, and no one cared. Their attitude was “sorry sir.”

Well, I can’t buy a new motor with SORRY!!!

I HATE Toyotas and will never buy one again.

~Brent~

]]> By: LamborghiniZ http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299673 LamborghiniZ Tue, 20 Feb 2007 01:14:45 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299673 Phil, you're right about the "Jap" stuff, it really is an offensive term, people think its like an abbreviation but it most certainly is not. Phil, you’re right about the “Jap” stuff, it really is an offensive term, people think its like an abbreviation but it most certainly is not.

]]> By: jonstew http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299590 jonstew Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:58:35 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299590 Actually the Celica is still made for other markets under the name Celica and it is nothing like the tC. I like the tC for what it is but it is no successor to the Celica, it is heavy, blandly styled (this is of course subjective though) and has poor handling compared to 7th Gen Celica and it is also slower, these are not traits that improve or upgrade a performance car in my opinion. Toyota needs another AE86 corolla or a true RWD Celica with great handling a 4 cylinder engine with a "G" series head on it and no drive by wire BS...make it cheap and don't load it full of luxury crap to lure in the bottle blondes and the "I can't drive unless I'm on my cell phone" crowd. Actually the Celica is still made for other markets under the name Celica and it is nothing like the tC. I like the tC for what it is but it is no successor to the Celica, it is heavy, blandly styled (this is of course subjective though) and has poor handling compared to 7th Gen Celica and it is also slower, these are not traits that improve or upgrade a performance car in my opinion. Toyota needs another AE86 corolla or a true RWD Celica with great handling a 4 cylinder engine with a “G” series head on it and no drive by wire BS…make it cheap and don’t load it full of luxury crap to lure in the bottle blondes and the “I can’t drive unless I’m on my cell phone” crowd.

]]> By: wndctyboy http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299556 wndctyboy Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:57:47 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299556 "Explain to me a logical reason why they killed off the legendary and somewhat fun Celica, and dont bother trying to use Sigh-on as an excuse" Quoted by A4 FYI A4...Toyota did not killed off Celica, it was redesigned, improved and upgraded with a different name, successful Scion tC. “Explain to me a logical reason why they killed off the legendary and somewhat fun Celica, and dont bother trying to use Sigh-on as an excuse” Quoted by A4

FYI A4…Toyota did not killed off Celica, it was redesigned, improved and upgraded with a different name, successful Scion tC.

]]> By: europerspective http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299492 europerspective Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:55:45 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299492 Was someone actually complaining that a foreign car company ONLY builds 60% of cars sold in US domestically? That seems like an amazing achievement to me, and a demonstration of commitment to the market. Was someone actually complaining that a foreign car company ONLY builds 60% of cars sold in US domestically? That seems like an amazing achievement to me, and a demonstration of commitment to the market.

]]> By: jonstew http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299432 jonstew Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:39:55 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299432 PrimeGTP, I don't think it makes your point more, as someone who is shopping for a 2 door would likely not consider a 4 or 5 door. I personally like 2 door cars for myself and that is likely because I never ride in the back of one but a better arguement would be for the Civic coupe than the Mazda3's. PrimeGTP, I don’t think it makes your point more, as someone who is shopping for a 2 door would likely not consider a 4 or 5 door. I personally like 2 door cars for myself and that is likely because I never ride in the back of one but a better arguement would be for the Civic coupe than the Mazda3′s.

]]> By: LamborghiniZ http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299424 LamborghiniZ Sat, 17 Feb 2007 15:44:18 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299424 PrimeGTP: I agree, it most likely is an act, I mean think of the things he says, I don't know anyone that ignorant. However it was still mildly interesting at the least to see him standing up for someone other than GM, and in a good way. PrimeGTP: I agree, it most likely is an act, I mean think of the things he says, I don’t know anyone that ignorant. However it was still mildly interesting at the least to see him standing up for someone other than GM, and in a good way.

]]> By: PrimeGTP http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299422 PrimeGTP Sat, 17 Feb 2007 15:40:40 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299422 GM#1 went out of character, thus convincing me more that his whole persona is an act. GM#1 went out of character, thus convincing me more that his whole persona is an act.

]]> By: PrimeGTP http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299421 PrimeGTP Sat, 17 Feb 2007 15:39:21 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299421 ^^not really the same type of car as the tC is a 2 door and the Mazda3 is a 4 or 5 door. Comment by jonstew Basically makes my point more. If a 4-door/5-door can be as good a car, there's no sense in limiting your comfort with 2 doors. ^^not really the same type of car as the tC is a 2 door and the Mazda3 is a 4 or 5 door.
Comment by jonstew

Basically makes my point more. If a 4-door/5-door can be as good a car, there’s no sense in limiting your comfort with 2 doors.

]]> By: CTS DRIVER http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299372 CTS DRIVER Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:14:48 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299372 i saw that lambo, what a proud day to be reading lln, gm#1 is only a car racist, glad he is not a people racist. i saw that lambo, what a proud day to be reading lln, gm#1 is only a car racist, glad he is not a people racist.

]]> By: LamborghiniZ http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299329 LamborghiniZ Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:38:01 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299329 Everyone who missed it , scroll way back up, GM#1 made an actually LEGITIMATE comment, he stopped his rants for one single moment and addressed A4's rampant ignorant adolescent racism against the Japanese/Toyota. MAKE SURE YOU CHECK THIS OUT, he still hates Toyota, but at least he's not a bigot like A4. Everyone who missed it , scroll way back up, GM#1 made an actually LEGITIMATE comment, he stopped his rants for one single moment and addressed A4′s rampant ignorant adolescent racism against the Japanese/Toyota. MAKE SURE YOU CHECK THIS OUT, he still hates Toyota, but at least he’s not a bigot like A4.

]]> By: singha http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299244 singha Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:09:26 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299244 Toyota please make American Inspired cars like the Ford Focus....wait thats European...okay make something fun like um a pt cruiser or um a Chevy Areo....wait a minute. Okay well make something costly like a Impala that will breakdown and leave me crying. Better yet make me something i can afford like a Saab, or MB please please. I need some that takes up alot of money and when it breaks down will take more of my money. God forbid i buy something that will last me 5-10 years, cost me nothing to fix and still let me pay my house loan like A4 does. Better yet Japan stop investing in our country, it hurts us alot. Also stop building new processes(such as Toyota's manufacturing process which world wide manufactureres strive to be like) and technologies (such as Blu-Ray). A4 please stop being a troll Elva please play in traffic or at least get back in the basement. Toyota please make American Inspired cars like the Ford Focus….wait thats European…okay make something fun like um a pt cruiser or um a Chevy Areo….wait a minute. Okay well make something costly like a Impala that will breakdown and leave me crying. Better yet make me something i can afford like a Saab, or MB please please. I need some that takes up alot of money and when it breaks down will take more of my money. God forbid i buy something that will last me 5-10 years, cost me nothing to fix and still let me pay my house loan like A4 does.

Better yet Japan stop investing in our country, it hurts us alot. Also stop building new processes(such as Toyota’s manufacturing process which world wide manufactureres strive to be like) and technologies (such as Blu-Ray).

A4 please stop being a troll

Elva please play in traffic or at least get back in the basement.

]]> By: jonstew http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299206 jonstew Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:56:50 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299206 ^^not really the same type of car as the tC is a 2 door and the Mazda3 is a 4 or 5 door. ^^not really the same type of car as the tC is a 2 door and the Mazda3 is a 4 or 5 door.

]]> By: PrimeGTP http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299201 PrimeGTP Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:45:27 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299201 Mazda3, I'm sorry. Mazda3, I’m sorry.

]]> By: PrimeGTP http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299200 PrimeGTP Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:44:51 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299200 I'd take a Mazda6 iTouring over a Scion tC. I’d take a Mazda6 iTouring over a Scion tC.

]]> By: jonstew http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299195 jonstew Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:44:52 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299195 My_Sweet_Shadow, the tC is a great car for the money but it still is not an enthusiast model, it is a "sporty" one (I guess). The styling is better Toyota's normal bland fare but by no means exciting and is very vanilla but this is more a subjective point than fact because everyone has their own opinion and is entitled to it. The engine is a great one for durability but it sorely needs a "G" series head on it instead of an "F" series head (anyone that knows how to read Toyota engine codes knows what I am talking about). I test drove a tC and wanted to buy one for my commute but true to Toyota Stealership form it came loaded up with all that useless scion accessory crap that I refused to finance and oddly they would not order the one I wanted (probably because they would not make a lot of money on LED taillights and cheap shift knobs). Engine aside if Toyota or Scion wanted this to be an enthusiast car they would have not put 70 pounds of glass in the roof of it which a horrible thing to do to a car you want to handle well. My_Sweet_Shadow, the tC is a great car for the money but it still is not an enthusiast model, it is a “sporty” one (I guess). The styling is better Toyota’s normal bland fare but by no means exciting and is very vanilla but this is more a subjective point than fact because everyone has their own opinion and is entitled to it. The engine is a great one for durability but it sorely needs a “G” series head on it instead of an “F” series head (anyone that knows how to read Toyota engine codes knows what I am talking about). I test drove a tC and wanted to buy one for my commute but true to Toyota Stealership form it came loaded up with all that useless scion accessory crap that I refused to finance and oddly they would not order the one I wanted (probably because they would not make a lot of money on LED taillights and cheap shift knobs). Engine aside if Toyota or Scion wanted this to be an enthusiast car they would have not put 70 pounds of glass in the roof of it which a horrible thing to do to a car you want to handle well.

]]> By: Vroom http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299193 Vroom Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:12:23 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299193 A4 - you're an "ignorant douchebag". Toyota already appeals to a broad markket which is why they're about to eclipse GM. A4 – you’re an “ignorant douchebag”. Toyota already appeals to a broad markket which is why they’re about to eclipse GM.

]]> By: My_Sweet_Shadow http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299175 My_Sweet_Shadow Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:18:40 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299175 I would probably be considered a Toyota fanboy like some of you refer to but I completely agree with the comments about Toyota currently only offering boring vanilla vehicles. But nobody has mentioned Scion yet. I recently purchased a 2007 Scion tC and I couldn't be happier. Nothing in the price range can even compare, American or otherwise. You could even call the tC an "American" car on a technicality: They are not sold in Japan! It is built specifically for Americans! But I am glad that the tC is built by Toyota in Japan and I feel that it will be more reliable as a result. My last car was a 1993 Camry and it still runs great! Only repairs done to that car in 15 years are a new muffler and one new CV joint. That's it in 15 years! And the only reason is because of all the salt they dump on the roads during the winters in the northeast. So yeah, for me it's "fu*k the big three". I won't buy an unreliable piece of s#it just to support American workers, they should have got a job at Toyota's Kentucky factory. I would have bought my tC if it came with no warranty whatsoever; it'll be about ten years before it needs any work anyways. I would probably be considered a Toyota fanboy like some of you refer to but I completely agree with the comments about Toyota currently only offering boring vanilla vehicles. But nobody has mentioned Scion yet. I recently purchased a 2007 Scion tC and I couldn’t be happier. Nothing in the price range can even compare, American or otherwise. You could even call the tC an “American” car on a technicality: They are not sold in Japan! It is built specifically for Americans! But I am glad that the tC is built by Toyota in Japan and I feel that it will be more reliable as a result. My last car was a 1993 Camry and it still runs great! Only repairs done to that car in 15 years are a new muffler and one new CV joint. That’s it in 15 years! And the only reason is because of all the salt they dump on the roads during the winters in the northeast. So yeah, for me it’s “fu*k the big three”. I won’t buy an unreliable piece of s#it just to support American workers, they should have got a job at Toyota’s Kentucky factory. I would have bought my tC if it came with no warranty whatsoever; it’ll be about ten years before it needs any work anyways.

]]> By: Blakkarr http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299167 Blakkarr Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:37:30 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299167 Moves you from a to b but sadly leaves you soul at home... Moves you from a to b but sadly leaves you soul at home…

]]> By: leviathan18 http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299156 leviathan18 Fri, 16 Feb 2007 04:04:13 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299156 oh toyota, why did they just became bland yes they have lexus with nice cars but waaaaaay out of my price range niche markets also give money a corolla sport version with 200hp doesnt do any harm, a new celica mr2 and supra either they need to take listen to us too.... i dont live in usa, im from venezuela and i can say here everyone thinks toyota is god, i dont like toyota because they dont have a afordable sporty car, so i have to buy seat to get a nice sporty car but i dont care about brands i care about features, engine brakes suspension, interior, ride quality, safety, extras... sad the vast majory of people wants a car that moves form a to b oh toyota, why did they just became bland yes they have lexus with nice cars but waaaaaay out of my price range niche markets also give money a corolla sport version with 200hp doesnt do any harm, a new celica mr2 and supra either they need to take listen to us too….

i dont live in usa, im from venezuela and i can say here everyone thinks toyota is god, i dont like toyota because they dont have a afordable sporty car, so i have to buy seat to get a nice sporty car but i dont care about brands i care about features, engine brakes suspension, interior, ride quality, safety, extras…

sad the vast majory of people wants a car that moves form a to b

]]> By: LamborghiniZ http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299148 LamborghiniZ Fri, 16 Feb 2007 02:39:14 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299148 For those saying this is a "Fanboy site", get a grip, there are plenty of enthusiast articles here, but there are also plenty of NON enthusiast articles as well. The real car enthusiasts are those that appreciate a variety of vehicles, not just ones with RWD, 400+ bhp, etc etc. The real fanboys are the ones that only have love for sports cars and the like, true car enthusiasts are the ones that are interested in the industry, those that can appreciate Toyota for doing what they do, those that can appreciate ANY market of car for doing what it does. I'm an enthusiast, but I'm also a huge car fan, hell, my first word was "car" (and that's no lie), so I'm not about to ignore those pressing issues and matters and car releases that only pertain to the enthusiast in me. Too many shallow, enthusiast snobs in here. One can be an enthusiast for sports cars, and a car enthusiast in general. For those saying this is a “Fanboy site”, get a grip, there are plenty of enthusiast articles here, but there are also plenty of NON enthusiast articles as well. The real car enthusiasts are those that appreciate a variety of vehicles, not just ones with RWD, 400+ bhp, etc etc. The real fanboys are the ones that only have love for sports cars and the like, true car enthusiasts are the ones that are interested in the industry, those that can appreciate Toyota for doing what they do, those that can appreciate ANY market of car for doing what it does. I’m an enthusiast, but I’m also a huge car fan, hell, my first word was “car” (and that’s no lie), so I’m not about to ignore those pressing issues and matters and car releases that only pertain to the enthusiast in me. Too many shallow, enthusiast snobs in here. One can be an enthusiast for sports cars, and a car enthusiast in general.

]]> By: Kaptain75329 http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299134 Kaptain75329 Fri, 16 Feb 2007 00:39:12 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299134 norby413 - Agreed whole-heartedly. And that's why I did something about it and left sales entirely. Found something else that more than pays the bills while still providing me a sense of satisfaction and accomplishment. Good thing I did.. I'm a happier guy for it. A loser would just put up with it and complain while doing absolutely zero to solve the problem. norby413 –

Agreed whole-heartedly. And that’s why I did something about it and left sales entirely. Found something else that more than pays the bills while still providing me a sense of satisfaction and accomplishment. Good thing I did.. I’m a happier guy for it. A loser would just put up with it and complain while doing absolutely zero to solve the problem.

]]> By: Elvio http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299129 Elvio Fri, 16 Feb 2007 00:04:50 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299129 A4 is on crack...and so does Audi. A4 is on crack…and so does Audi.

]]> By: CTS DRIVER http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299121 CTS DRIVER Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:37:16 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299121 damn, some of you guys just need to just email each other theese long ass 6 or 7 paragraph statements, i dont think many people read them. damn, some of you guys just need to just email each other theese long ass 6 or 7 paragraph statements, i dont think many people read them.

]]> By: PrimeGTP http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299104 PrimeGTP Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:59:15 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299104 This isn't an enthusiast site. It's an idiot fanboy site. Comment by youngm7 Truest statement ever posted on this site. This isn’t an enthusiast site. It’s an idiot fanboy site.
Comment by youngm7

Truest statement ever posted on this site.

]]> By: youngm7 http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299102 youngm7 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:54:53 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299102 This isn't an enthusiast site. It's an idiot fanboy site. This isn’t an enthusiast site. It’s an idiot fanboy site.

]]> By: Kaptain75329 http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299100 Kaptain75329 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:45:31 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299100 "Kaptain, as I said for the most part I agree with your statements, and for the record I am a driving enthusiast, and a graduate of the Bondurant Drving School. What I disagree with is your generalization that people who drive Toyota products (I don't by the way) are morons who are incapable of opening a refrigerator door, much less drive a car." - Comment by buenos, posted on February15 at 2:38 pm I think you might have read a little too much into what I was saying. Don't take me so seriously.. I don't. :) Toyota was the center of my focus merely as an example, and my sentiments can apply to anyone who behaves as I have described regardless of the brand automobile they choose to buy. Except Kia.. no one with a working brain ever buys a Kia. Jokes aside, I still think anyone who values comfort over safety in any car is an absolute moron - the brands have no control over that so naturally I'm not going to blame anyone but the idiot who makes that choice. . "Are there bad drivers out there? You bet. I came close to being killed by one not that long ago, and amazingly she wasn't driving a Toyota as she sailed, completely oblivious, through a red light at close to 100km/h." - Comment by buenos, posted on February15 at 2:38 pm Similar experiences in the Washington DC area over here in the States have driven me to draw the same conclusions. Speaking of drawing conclusions, I am making the assumption that you are outside the USA since you're not using our ridiculous MPH measurement for speed.. we need to switch to the metric system and catch up with the rest of the world on this one. But never mind my odd tangent.. Typically, I find people in Mercedes SUVs to be most commonly guilty of thinking they own the road, but that's more a stereotype than anything else.. again, the brand isn't the problem, it's airhead behind the wheel who doesn't even know where he is. . "As for taking the chore out of sitting in traffic, I am sure you are aware that North America in general does not have a love affair with public transit. Where I choose to live and where I choose to work means that I have to make the sacrifice of traffic. My point is that it takes very little driving skill to move forward in 4 ft increments while sitting on a hwy. If Toyota, (or some other manufacturer) invented some way to remove that tedium from my day, I (and probably many others) would undoubtedly embrace it. By no means does that mean that I have disdain for driving, however, calling moving by those increments driving is, I believe a stretch." - Comment by buenos, posted on February15 at 2:38 pm I agree with you on the public transportation front - I know it isn't cool yet, but I'm sincerely hoping it takes off. I think it would be far better for me (and my car) to get more people off the roads when they don't want to be there at all. Having visited other places where public transportation works (Here in DC, New York City, San Francisco) I know for a fact that if you build it, they will come. There are lots of people that would choose it, and many that would not. People are going to go with what works best for them. Hell, even I would choose to metro to work if I could - I could save my driving for off-peak hours so it would be more fun. My point is I'd rather have a choice than simply be resigned to say public transportation can't work at all and we should just live with the crappy traffic. It also looks like I read a little too much into what you were saying as well. One who enjoys driving would not describe as it chore by any means, but you saying so now makes perfect sense given that you would not call negotiating traffic "driving" per se. I guess we just have a difference of opinion there - it's still driving to me and while I certainly don't much care for traffic myself, the responsibility is no less important. Regardless of the skill required, I'm not willing to turn that over to a computer. I build my own PCs and am as enthusiastic about that technology as I am in love with cars. Even so, I don't want any machine -- especially a potentially dangerous one like a car -- making decisions for me. Certainly, not if I have any realistic choice in the matter. I'm not questioning your credentials as a driver, but an automobile enthusiast who doesn't have a problem with a computer doing the driving (regardless of the conditions) strikes me as a contradiction in terms. I know traffic isn't fun and that it sucks, but I handing it off to a computer is the right thing to do. When you build a computer to do the thinking for a man, you take something important away from the man. I guess my objection is philosophical in nature, and probably more to with me being a control-freak and oldschool when it comes to cars and computers. I prefer stickshift and generally shy away from automatic lights/wipers/climate control/toilets, ect. I know part of the reason I'm so fascinated by them is because they obey my commands without argument in order to accomplish something useful and worthwhile. That is the way it should be, and I steadfastly reject any technology designed to take me out of control while it claims to put me in control. . "I am curious as to which brand of vehicle you sold? You seem to have a disdain for a large portion of the buying public, and I can't help wondering how you surpressed that while selling a car to someone you deemed unworthy to be behind the wheel." - Comment by buenos, posted on February15 at 2:38 pm Previously, I have sold in no particular order: Fords, Hondas, Toyotas, and Saturns. You are definitely correct: I have indeed developed a special irritation with the buying automotive public. Sell cars to one undeserving prick after the other and I suspect you will eventually see what I mean when I say there is no shortage of asinine pantie-wastes on the road who should be retro-actively aborted immediately. This frustration eventually grew over me like a bad ulcer and ultimately served as one of the fundamental reasons why I had to get out of the sales side and find something else to do. It's their money and they are free to waste it on frivolities how ever they wish, but I don't need to be there witnessing it first-hand. The absurdities I saw at my dealerships were bizarre and nauseating: "I'm cool with paying $40 extra per month for the leather seats and sunroof, but you guys are pushing it with the side air-bags and ABS costing an additional $8 a month." That same moron was back 3 months later because his clue-less ditz of a wife didn't know how to pump the brakes in the rain and wrapped their "pretty baby" around a very anti-social oak tree. That episode is among the least irksome of my experiences. Toyota customers were hands-down, absolutely THE WORST and most common offenders, period. Try spending 3 HOURS arguing over $60 floor mats or losing money on stock unit trades with competing dealers just to find the right color on a regular basis and then tell me you're dealing with reasonable and intelligent customers. Thanks but no thanks. I have better things to do with my time than rip my hair out as a member of a captive audience to certified human stupidity. “Kaptain, as I said for the most part I agree with your statements, and for the record I am a driving enthusiast, and a graduate of the Bondurant Drving School. What I disagree with is your generalization that people who drive Toyota products (I don’t by the way) are morons who are incapable of opening a refrigerator door, much less drive a car.” – Comment by buenos, posted on February15 at 2:38 pm

I think you might have read a little too much into what I was saying. Don’t take me so seriously.. I don’t. :)

Toyota was the center of my focus merely as an example, and my sentiments can apply to anyone who behaves as I have described regardless of the brand automobile they choose to buy. Except Kia.. no one with a working brain ever buys a Kia. Jokes aside, I still think anyone who values comfort over safety in any car is an absolute moron – the brands have no control over that so naturally I’m not going to blame anyone but the idiot who makes that choice.
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“Are there bad drivers out there? You bet. I came close to being killed by one not that long ago, and amazingly she wasn’t driving a Toyota as she sailed, completely oblivious, through a red light at close to 100km/h.” – Comment by buenos, posted on February15 at 2:38 pm

Similar experiences in the Washington DC area over here in the States have driven me to draw the same conclusions. Speaking of drawing conclusions, I am making the assumption that you are outside the USA since you’re not using our ridiculous MPH measurement for speed.. we need to switch to the metric system and catch up with the rest of the world on this one. But never mind my odd tangent.. Typically, I find people in Mercedes SUVs to be most commonly guilty of thinking they own the road, but that’s more a stereotype than anything else.. again, the brand isn’t the problem, it’s airhead behind the wheel who doesn’t even know where he is.
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“As for taking the chore out of sitting in traffic, I am sure you are aware that North America in general does not have a love affair with public transit. Where I choose to live and where I choose to work means that I have to make the sacrifice of traffic. My point is that it takes very little driving skill to move forward in 4 ft increments while sitting on a hwy. If Toyota, (or some other manufacturer) invented some way to remove that tedium from my day, I (and probably many others) would undoubtedly embrace it. By no means does that mean that I have disdain for driving, however, calling moving by those increments driving is, I believe a stretch.” – Comment by buenos, posted on February15 at 2:38 pm

I agree with you on the public transportation front – I know it isn’t cool yet, but I’m sincerely hoping it takes off. I think it would be far better for me (and my car) to get more people off the roads when they don’t want to be there at all. Having visited other places where public transportation works (Here in DC, New York City, San Francisco) I know for a fact that if you build it, they will come. There are lots of people that would choose it, and many that would not. People are going to go with what works best for them. Hell, even I would choose to metro to work if I could – I could save my driving for off-peak hours so it would be more fun. My point is I’d rather have a choice than simply be resigned to say public transportation can’t work at all and we should just live with the crappy traffic.

It also looks like I read a little too much into what you were saying as well. One who enjoys driving would not describe as it chore by any means, but you saying so now makes perfect sense given that you would not call negotiating traffic “driving” per se. I guess we just have a difference of opinion there – it’s still driving to me and while I certainly don’t much care for traffic myself, the responsibility is no less important. Regardless of the skill required, I’m not willing to turn that over to a computer. I build my own PCs and am as enthusiastic about that technology as I am in love with cars. Even so, I don’t want any machine — especially a potentially dangerous one like a car — making decisions for me. Certainly, not if I have any realistic choice in the matter. I’m not questioning your credentials as a driver, but an automobile enthusiast who doesn’t have a problem with a computer doing the driving (regardless of the conditions) strikes me as a contradiction in terms. I know traffic isn’t fun and that it sucks, but I handing it off to a computer is the right thing to do. When you build a computer to do the thinking for a man, you take something important away from the man. I guess my objection is philosophical in nature, and probably more to with me being a control-freak and oldschool when it comes to cars and computers. I prefer stickshift and generally shy away from automatic lights/wipers/climate control/toilets, ect. I know part of the reason I’m so fascinated by them is because they obey my commands without argument in order to accomplish something useful and worthwhile. That is the way it should be, and I steadfastly reject any technology designed to take me out of control while it claims to put me in control.
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“I am curious as to which brand of vehicle you sold? You seem to have a disdain for a large portion of the buying public, and I can’t help wondering how you surpressed that while selling a car to someone you deemed unworthy to be behind the wheel.” – Comment by buenos, posted on February15 at 2:38 pm

Previously, I have sold in no particular order: Fords, Hondas, Toyotas, and Saturns. You are definitely correct: I have indeed developed a special irritation with the buying automotive public. Sell cars to one undeserving prick after the other and I suspect you will eventually see what I mean when I say there is no shortage of asinine pantie-wastes on the road who should be retro-actively aborted immediately. This frustration eventually grew over me like a bad ulcer and ultimately served as one of the fundamental reasons why I had to get out of the sales side and find something else to do. It’s their money and they are free to waste it on frivolities how ever they wish, but I don’t need to be there witnessing it first-hand. The absurdities I saw at my dealerships were bizarre and nauseating: “I’m cool with paying $40 extra per month for the leather seats and sunroof, but you guys are pushing it with the side air-bags and ABS costing an additional $8 a month.” That same moron was back 3 months later because his clue-less ditz of a wife didn’t know how to pump the brakes in the rain and wrapped their “pretty baby” around a very anti-social oak tree. That episode is among the least irksome of my experiences. Toyota customers were hands-down, absolutely THE WORST and most common offenders, period. Try spending 3 HOURS arguing over $60 floor mats or losing money on stock unit trades with competing dealers just to find the right color on a regular basis and then tell me you’re dealing with reasonable and intelligent customers. Thanks but no thanks. I have better things to do with my time than rip my hair out as a member of a captive audience to certified human stupidity.

]]> By: Syrax http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299095 Syrax Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:26:49 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299095 i thought benz made a car once that could drive itself...and it seems more like a benz goal than a toyota one. of course, benz have AMG and big V12s but i think they're more comitted to do the "drive itself" thing i thought benz made a car once that could drive itself…and it seems more like a benz goal than a toyota one. of course, benz have AMG and big V12s but i think they’re more comitted to do the “drive itself” thing

]]> By: jonstew http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299085 jonstew Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:58:43 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299085 NOS2006, the problem with your comment as I see it is the people that want the comfy interior are not going to care about the V8 and a lot of those people after the comfy interior will think a sporty suspension makes the car ride rough so once again it will come down to someone wanting a performance car that will be drawn in for the test drive in the first place. I certainly don't want to be right about that but it just seems hard to ignore the trends in car buying in this country....people were driving coupes and sedans all be it boring ones then SUV's came about and people traded in their poor handling/driving sedans and coupes to get into SUV's that handled even more poorly and the only thing that burst bubble was when gas prices got higher than a giraffes ass. The other thing is a lot and I mean a lot of people in this country can't drive and don't seem to want to based on the number of them I see talking in their cell phones and doing anything but driving when they are in their cars / trucks / SUVs'. Once again I don't want you or PrimeGTP to be wrong about the G8 or any other interesting cars but I don't see it happening. NOS2006, the problem with your comment as I see it is the people that want the comfy interior are not going to care about the V8 and a lot of those people after the comfy interior will think a sporty suspension makes the car ride rough so once again it will come down to someone wanting a performance car that will be drawn in for the test drive in the first place. I certainly don’t want to be right about that but it just seems hard to ignore the trends in car buying in this country….people were driving coupes and sedans all be it boring ones then SUV’s came about and people traded in their poor handling/driving sedans and coupes to get into SUV’s that handled even more poorly and the only thing that burst bubble was when gas prices got higher than a giraffes ass. The other thing is a lot and I mean a lot of people in this country can’t drive and don’t seem to want to based on the number of them I see talking in their cell phones and doing anything but driving when they are in their cars / trucks / SUVs’. Once again I don’t want you or PrimeGTP to be wrong about the G8 or any other interesting cars but I don’t see it happening.

]]> By: PrimeGTP http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299076 PrimeGTP Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:42:03 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299076 Jon, I understand it's a long shot, but I'm just throwing out theoretical situations. You no longer have to sacrifice all those comfy options to get a performance rocket anymore. And the loaded $33k G8 GT proves it can be done without creating a sky-high price tag. The gap between feature-laden cars with small engines and low performance ratings and feature-laden cars with muscle guts is closing. I think it might get more people interested in cars that can DRIVE, as they no longer have to give up their cd changers and heated seats. Jon, I understand it’s a long shot, but I’m just throwing out theoretical situations. You no longer have to sacrifice all those comfy options to get a performance rocket anymore. And the loaded $33k G8 GT proves it can be done without creating a sky-high price tag. The gap between feature-laden cars with small engines and low performance ratings and feature-laden cars with muscle guts is closing. I think it might get more people interested in cars that can DRIVE, as they no longer have to give up their cd changers and heated seats.

]]> By: NOS2006 http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299071 NOS2006 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:39:48 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299071 jonstew, that is why vehicles, like the G8 GT, will accomodate a more luxurious interior for those who don't care so much about performance and a throaty V8 and sporty suspension for those who do. jonstew, that is why vehicles, like the G8 GT, will accomodate a more luxurious interior for those who don’t care so much about performance and a throaty V8 and sporty suspension for those who do.

]]> By: jonstew http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299068 jonstew Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:34:09 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299068 PrimeGTP, You have to care about performance before you go shopping for it. I bought an Lexus IS300 for the little woman to drive thinking maybe if she had a performance oriented type car it would help her understand why I love performance cars like I do....nope she cared more about the six disc CD changer and the sunroof than having a car that handled well. I am not saying you are wrong as I want to see companies build cars I want to drive and own but but even offering a good performance alternative might not be enough. Mazda offers the Mazda6 and it sells but not in the numbers I thought it would....then theres the Camry....a car I think I would have to lose a bet to want to buy and they can't build em fast enough! PrimeGTP, You have to care about performance before you go shopping for it. I bought an Lexus IS300 for the little woman to drive thinking maybe if she had a performance oriented type car it would help her understand why I love performance cars like I do….nope she cared more about the six disc CD changer and the sunroof than having a car that handled well. I am not saying you are wrong as I want to see companies build cars I want to drive and own but but even offering a good performance alternative might not be enough. Mazda offers the Mazda6 and it sells but not in the numbers I thought it would….then theres the Camry….a car I think I would have to lose a bet to want to buy and they can’t build em fast enough!

]]> By: PrimeGTP http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299059 PrimeGTP Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:19:07 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299059 Toyota requires that the performance enthusiast niche REMAIN a niche. I believe what some people are saying here is not that enthusiasts are the majority of the market, but that a few big performance hits from the Big Three (Camaro, Challenger, Interceptor, G8 GT, etc.) could convert a good share of the market back to people who think about DRIVING and not about whether or not their car can park itself. It doesn't need to be a majority, but it could become enough to tip the scales against Toyota's rapid growth. Look at the G8 GT for example. It contains all the interior amenities the usual daily driver thinks of first instead of performance/handling features, PLUS the heart and guts of a sports car underneath. All for a pretty affordable package. I believe cars like the G8 GT are Toyota's biggest threat. We'll see what happens. Toyota requires that the performance enthusiast niche REMAIN a niche. I believe what some people are saying here is not that enthusiasts are the majority of the market, but that a few big performance hits from the Big Three (Camaro, Challenger, Interceptor, G8 GT, etc.) could convert a good share of the market back to people who think about DRIVING and not about whether or not their car can park itself. It doesn’t need to be a majority, but it could become enough to tip the scales against Toyota’s rapid growth.

Look at the G8 GT for example. It contains all the interior amenities the usual daily driver thinks of first instead of performance/handling features, PLUS the heart and guts of a sports car underneath. All for a pretty affordable package.

I believe cars like the G8 GT are Toyota’s biggest threat. We’ll see what happens.

]]> By: LamborghiniZ http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299046 LamborghiniZ Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:01:24 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299046 I knew there would be a plethora of comments about this story. The fact is that Toyota is gaining huge success due to their quality, if boring cars. But if boring quality is what people want, that's what they'll get, and seeing as they do want it...Regardless, Toyota deserves to be #1, they're a smart company, very intelligent, they meet the market's demands and do so admirably, they respond to trends, they create trends, they pursue alternative fuels/energy, they did the work they needed to do to get here. I think they will be used as a scapegoat just like the story says, and I support them in giving the public what they want, not necessarily what I want, but I can respect a company that knows how to make money and succeed using progress, innovative technology/tools, a keen eye into what the people want, and high quality/durability/reliability. Most Toyota's are not the cars I would choose if I was choosing, if I wanted a large crossover I'd take a Mazda CX-9, if I wanted a midsize sedan I'd take a Subaru Legacy, if I wanted a compact pickup I'd take a Nissan Frontier, but that doesn't mean I don't understand why other people choose Toyota's, and that's what more people on this site need to understand. I knew there would be a plethora of comments about this story. The fact is that Toyota is gaining huge success due to their quality, if boring cars. But if boring quality is what people want, that’s what they’ll get, and seeing as they do want it…Regardless, Toyota deserves to be #1, they’re a smart company, very intelligent, they meet the market’s demands and do so admirably, they respond to trends, they create trends, they pursue alternative fuels/energy, they did the work they needed to do to get here. I think they will be used as a scapegoat just like the story says, and I support them in giving the public what they want, not necessarily what I want, but I can respect a company that knows how to make money and succeed using progress, innovative technology/tools, a keen eye into what the people want, and high quality/durability/reliability. Most Toyota’s are not the cars I would choose if I was choosing, if I wanted a large crossover I’d take a Mazda CX-9, if I wanted a midsize sedan I’d take a Subaru Legacy, if I wanted a compact pickup I’d take a Nissan Frontier, but that doesn’t mean I don’t understand why other people choose Toyota’s, and that’s what more people on this site need to understand.

]]> By: Mbongo http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299032 Mbongo Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:52:21 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299032 This a very stupid statement I've never heard in my entire life. May be the Toyota are better cars. But telling the true, there are also much better cars out there. Some Toyota are really good cars. But others are not. I don't know what to say. This statement is simply stupid. Mbongo This a very stupid statement I’ve never heard in my entire life. May be the Toyota are better cars. But telling the true, there are also much better cars out there. Some Toyota are really good cars. But others are not. I don’t know what to say. This statement is simply stupid.

Mbongo

]]> By: GT40 http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299028 GT40 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:47:39 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299028 The base lucerne starts at $29,425. Stop being a toyota fanboy. The base lucerne starts at $29,425. Stop being a toyota fanboy.

]]> By: Don http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299012 Don Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:36:04 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299012 A4 you're an idiot, stay in school kid A4 you’re an idiot, stay in school kid

]]> By: joseph http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-299005 joseph Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:21:42 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-299005 A4...try comparing apples to apples here. I'm not going to compare a 4-cylinder Accord to a V6 Camry, nor am I going to compare a basic Avalon V6 to a loaded Lucerne V8 and call it cheaper, even though the V6 Avalon is much quicker than the V8 Lucerne. After incentives, the V6 and V8 will probably be close anyway. Why are you so angry anyway? Why this hatred for a successful company? Did Mr. Toyoda personally piss you off somehow? If you don't like what they have to offer, find something else. There are plenty of offerings out there. Hating something because they don't have what you want is so juvenile. Does mommy and daddy spoil you too much? You really need to stop posting and go back to popping your pimples and concentrate on finishing your homework. A4…try comparing apples to apples here. I’m not going to compare a 4-cylinder Accord to a V6 Camry, nor am I going to compare a basic Avalon V6 to a loaded Lucerne V8 and call it cheaper, even though the V6 Avalon is much quicker than the V8 Lucerne. After incentives, the V6 and V8 will probably be close anyway.

Why are you so angry anyway? Why this hatred for a successful company? Did Mr. Toyoda personally piss you off somehow? If you don’t like what they have to offer, find something else. There are plenty of offerings out there. Hating something because they don’t have what you want is so juvenile. Does mommy and daddy spoil you too much? You really need to stop posting and go back to popping your pimples and concentrate on finishing your homework.

]]> By: MC http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-298988 MC Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:48:57 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-298988 Man America sucks for buying those POS Toyota. Man America sucks for buying those POS Toyota.

]]> By: A4 http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-298976 A4 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:39:59 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-298976 oh sorry retard the V8 starts at $32k for a base base CXL. still $6k more than the avalon oh sorry retard the V8 starts at $32k for a base base CXL. still $6k more than the avalon

]]> By: Random Jerk http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-298974 Random Jerk Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:39:16 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-298974 I read all this and I see long winded whiney enthusiasts who can't get over the fact that they are a niche market. Toyota arrogant? Pot, kettle, black. I read all this and I see long winded whiney enthusiasts who can’t get over the fact that they are a niche market. Toyota arrogant? Pot, kettle, black.

]]> By: buenos http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-298973 buenos Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:38:54 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-298973 Kaptain, as I said for the most part I agree with your statements, and for the record I am a driving enthusiast, and a graduate of the Bondurant Drving School. What I disagree with is your generalization that people who drive Toyota products (I don't by the way) are morons who are incapable of opening a refrigerator door, much less drive a car. Are there bad drivers out there? You bet. I came close to being killed by one not that long ago, and amazingly she wasn't driving a Toyota as she sailed, completely oblivious, through a red light at close to 100km/h. As for taking the chore out of sitting in traffic, I am sure you are aware that North America in general does not have a love affair with public transit. Where I choose to live and where I choose to work means that I have to make the sacrifice of traffic. My point is that it takes very little driving skill to move forward in 4 ft increments while sitting on a hwy. If Toyota, (or some other manufacturer) invented some way to remove that tedium from my day, I (and probably many others) would undoubtedly embrace it. By no means does that mean that I have disdain for driving, however, calling moving by those increments driving is, I believe a stretch. I am curious as to which brand of vehicle you sold? You seem to have a disdain for a large portion of the buying public, and I can't help wondering how you surpressed that while selling a car to someone you deemed unworthy to be behind the wheel. Kaptain, as I said for the most part I agree with your statements, and for the record I am a driving enthusiast, and a graduate of the Bondurant Drving School. What I disagree with is your generalization that people who drive Toyota products (I don’t by the way) are morons who are incapable of opening a refrigerator door, much less drive a car.

Are there bad drivers out there? You bet. I came close to being killed by one not that long ago, and amazingly she wasn’t driving a Toyota as she sailed, completely oblivious, through a red light at close to 100km/h.

As for taking the chore out of sitting in traffic, I am sure you are aware that North America in general does not have a love affair with public transit. Where I choose to live and where I choose to work means that I have to make the sacrifice of traffic. My point is that it takes very little driving skill to move forward in 4 ft increments while sitting on a hwy. If Toyota, (or some other manufacturer) invented some way to remove that tedium from my day, I (and probably many others) would undoubtedly embrace it. By no means does that mean that I have disdain for driving, however, calling moving by those increments driving is, I believe a stretch.

I am curious as to which brand of vehicle you sold? You seem to have a disdain for a large portion of the buying public, and I can’t help wondering how you surpressed that while selling a car to someone you deemed unworthy to be behind the wheel.

]]> By: A4 http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-298970 A4 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:28:45 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-298970 hey joseph i wasnt referring to the avalon, but in any case a buick lucerne equipped with a V8 is comparable to the V6 avalon. I was referring mostly to the sales of the camry and corolla which are shitboxes on wheels. At least honda and nissan invigorate their midsize-family offerings with some life. hey joseph i wasnt referring to the avalon, but in any case a buick lucerne equipped with a V8 is comparable to the V6 avalon. I was referring mostly to the sales of the camry and corolla which are shitboxes on wheels. At least honda and nissan invigorate their midsize-family offerings with some life.

]]> By: rey323 http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success.html#comment-298963 rey323 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:56:19 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/15/toyota-our-competitors-are-jealous-of-our-success/#comment-298963 I don't understand a lot of this Toyota boring car bashing. Are the majority of their cars appliances on wheels? Yep, that is exactly what they are. The reason why they are that way is because that is what WE want. And by we, i refer to the collective whole of car buyers in America. They are selling to the majority of the American's who want a safe, reliable, economical washing machine that gets them the best bang for the buck. For the Big 3 to succeed, they need to gain the trust back in the market that their washing machine is better than Toyota's. If I have 10 customers and 9 want a "boring" washing machine and 1 that wants a truck that says "Daytona" on the side, you better believe i am going to make the Maytag car. I don’t understand a lot of this Toyota boring car bashing. Are the majority of their cars appliances on wheels? Yep, that is exactly what they are. The reason why they are that way is because that is what WE want. And by we, i refer to the collective whole of car buyers in America. They are selling to the majority of the American’s who want a safe, reliable, economical washing machine that gets them the best bang for the buck.

For the Big 3 to succeed, they need to gain the trust back in the market that their washing machine is better than Toyota’s. If I have 10 customers and 9 want a “boring” washing machine and 1 that wants a truck that says “Daytona” on the side, you better believe i am going to make the Maytag car.

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