Buy American if you want your family to live.

Toyoduh’s chickens are coming home…..to roost!

Somehow I doubt that installing a reshaped gas pedal will fix the problem.

Toyoty has 5.6 BILLION set aside for recalls! Did they know something all this time without
telling the public. I could see setting aside money to cover recalls. But you don’t set aside
5.6 BILLION if your product is great. HOLY CRAP, Toyota what else are you hiding?

Alright, this proves that toyota is trying to take over america, and kill every american.

toyota has a 121B market cap…i’m not sure if holding 5% for recalls (or other rainy day cash expenditures) is a lot or a little…they probably have to anticipate this scenario and have cash on hand to act quickly…one of the liabilities of selling so many cars…if something goes wrong, you have to pay out big and fast…

kill every american? are you trying to be retarded, or is this just coming naturally?

I think Toyota sees this as a “step process” and not the fix. First the zip ties, then the accelerator petal, then they need to try to reprogram or replace the computers to back off the gas when the brake is fully engaged….thats the expensive one. Rust in frames, runnaway vehicles, slow economy, oh what a feeling.

I don’t think 5.6 Billion is enough to cover parts and labor to replace 3.8 Million gas pedals and install brake override systems (and likely some reprogramming) in a bunch of them. it’s gonna wipe out their rainy day fund. But I believe it’ll fix it, otherwise it’ll be the end of Toyota.

btw… to those of you a week or 2 ago saying it wasn’t actually a recall… NOW IT IS.

HA HA , what a crooked effin company. They would have been happy to let Americans die.

Speaking of a ’step process’ I think Toyota needs one of those 12 step deals like at AA. And the first thing they have to admit is that there is a problem and to quit trying to cover it up with equivalent of automotive breath mints.

LMAO @ kill every american!

WOW, so much for Toyota quality. Ever since the Americans took over their management team, its all been down hills.

Wrong, it’s more like every since the jap masters began spending more time drinking sake and banging their secretaries things have gone down. HA HA HA.

yeah easyrider but their secretaries are way hotter than ours.

@ nmofgm”s daddy your comment makes no sense because most of these recalls have been years in the making. they have had these problems for years and now they are becoming severe enuff that it is going public.

Toyota, moving forward. It’s the stopping that’s the problem.

Anyway, I talked to some friends with the current-gen Camry and the surging problem seems to be related to some sort of malfunction in the drive by wire system. Notice that they’re sneaking in a “brake override” system update, that’s probably the workaround. When the computer has throttle stuck on “on”, a quick tap of the brake would cancel that command.

The problem with large powerful Corporations like Toyota is they have been for many years able to buy and peddle influence of politicians and regulators. The corrupting influence led to many hidden issues with Toyota’s build quality that had remained secret until now….the whistle blower attorney alluded to much of what we are now seeing and hearing about this might bastion of deception.

The next big scandal to hit has to do with the structural roof construction on their cars and this one will really hurt them, a dagger in the sternum, only much, much worst!!!

So will it a cause Ford Explorer-type backlash with future buyers, or will Toyota only suffer a black eye in the media and amongst non-Toyota loyalists while sales remain strong. That is the question.

From yahoo.com today (11/25/2009)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_toyota_floor_mats

Toyota said dealers will offer to shorten the length of the gas pedals by about 3/4 inch beginning in January, as a stopgap measure while the company develops replacement pedals for their vehicles. New pedals will be installed by dealers on a rolling basis beginning in April, and some vehicles will have brake override systems installed as a precaution.

(Makes me wonder… are they going to take a skill saw and hack the damn thing shorter? As if a short gas pedal now wont be a problem… Go to Ford they are quickly jumping the charts and now tops the domestic companies in quality. Comsumer Reports Nov. 2009)

Oh the rust with the Tundra’s frames? Wait… that is another post… See ya there

Toyota announced the massive recall in late September and told owners to remove the driver’s side floor mats to keep the gas pedal from becoming jammed…

So, are their gas pedals longer than most companies, or are they just too close to the floor? If they are shortening the pedal because it was too close to the ground, that’s a design flaw, PLAIN AND SIMPLE!

It looks like toyota is taking the most cost affective way out of this, and maybe not fixing what is the real problem. They are a huge company and I’m sure they make lots of different pedals for cars all over the world. So are they actually using a pedal that they designed to fit in these vehicles are did they just go into some parts bins and get pedals from other cars?
That being said all the stories that I have heard don’t point at the pedal being the problem. More an computer problem.
So whatever it may be toyota better get it fixed and the right way annd stop playing with peoples lives.

all i know is im not driving next to toyota/lexus anymore. unintended acceleration + 70yrs old retired folks = death trap

e46Ne90,
I completely agree with you. If I want a toyota I will go to ford. If I want a lexus, I will gladly go to infiniti/audi!!

Toyota, to big to succeed.

ALRIGHT!!! After a much-needed hiatus from this website, I’MMM BACKKKK!!!

yes reedfast, clearly Toyota is trying to take over the country, and kill every American. Because THAT makes sense. If you’re just being funny (which I hope for your sake that you are), then ok, but otherwise, you and your retardedly American mind need to GTFO this website pronto.

idrinor and e46 you’re missing the point. Yes, you can go other places but all manufacturers are going to have their fair share of unreliablity. For example you mentioned Audi: are you kidding me? they are NOTORIUS for having ghastly reliability. but suit yourself…

I guess what I’m trying to say is that you can’t just yell at them when plenty of other companies are having enough difficulties on their own. I’m pretty sure toyota is at least sorta financially stable. How’s that whole money thing going for ya, Big 3?

that’s what I suspected: a design flaw in the gas pedal electronic switches which make them stuck internally at 100%. But I’m surprised that they did not put the brake override system when they switched to drive by wire. These japs should learn that safety is more important than reliability

The money may not come from Toyota directly. They are big business and they have insurance. The figure may be from insurance line covering pedals. If there are other components need to be replaced (we had mats, now pedals, later maybe software) the money can come from appropriate insurance program.

What happened to the ZIP TIES?????

I was really looking forward to getting my ZIP TIES.

I’m deeply disappointed.

gmmalvado…”that whole money thing” for ford is doing well, their stock is up 5-times what it was this time last year and they’re on schedule to run in the black within two years…they took no loans, have the motor trend car of the year, and increasing market share in north america and china…in contrast, toyota is struggling with numerous quality issues, lawsuits, recalls and declining market share…

so which company, ford or toyota, has the better looking trajectory right now? i’ll give you a hint, it starts with f…

why would they keep Billions of dollars saved up for recalls if they had ‘recall insurance’? And even if they had some kind of insurance, it wouldn’t make any fiscal sense to keep bringing vehicles back in for different repairs. it’s much cheaper to fix everything at once.

I worked for a Toyota dealership for awhile and the arrogance of Toyota Motor Company in regard to recalls and quality issues was horrible. They blamed any problems on consumer abuse or fault. I had a district service manager who told me quote: “Our vehicles are perfect, we have no faults. If there is a problem it is the customer who does not operate or maintain their vehicles correctly.” Well, Toyota, obviously someone (NHTSA) disagrees and now you will pay for that arrogance. I saw all these, and more, recalls coming from a mile away. This is just the tip of the iceberg in regard to the excessive short-cuts in design, build and quality control. Don’t blame it on who they hired, blame it on how they trained and managed them, blame it on Toyota not really giving a crap about the American consumer, but rather the bottom line in dollars and cents.

GMmalvado,
You think I don’t know about audi’s potential for being unreliable? I just don’t care! I will drive what I enjoy the most. You might as well say the same thing about mercedes and bmw, even though audi came up ahead in reliability compared to them. It’s the car, fit and finish, appeal, handling, and build quality that attracts me to german cars. I know people who have had bad experiences with german cars, but I also know just about the same amount of people who have had bad experiences with toyota, honda, and american vehicles. My dad’s friend’s brand new 09 sequoia had a bad bearing. I also know people who have had awesome experiences with all those manufacturers. Luck of the draw I guess.

Ha ja ha

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA….

Crap = Toyota

Sounds like the old Audi’s of the 80’s.

It will just take a while for non-car enthusiasts to catch on. But a backlash against Toyota sure seems to be gaining momentum. I don’t think people would be so harsh if it wasn’t for smug Toyota owners’ ill placed confidence and Toyota’s apparent resistance to address this problem with the urgency or thoroughness that’s needed.

Well it’s not like… That’s not exactly what I meant. Ford is doing exceptionally well and has been recently, I was more just saying GM was still kinda… And Chrysler is… Well…

But I suppose with every car you’re going to Run into some trouble at some point, and it all just depends on where, when and, how much. I mean, I had to replace the a/c in my 05 highlander after only 40k, and that was JUST after the warranty ended (of course). But it’s not like you could accurately say that a trailblazer would have the same problem only sooner…

All of these people like NMOFGM and caddy-v and all the other manufacturalists are really doing nothing an havno ACCURATE basis to back up their arguments. It all comes down to what you personally like the best, be it design, comfort, you name it.

I’ve always bought toyotas and hondas because my parents and my family, friends did and we’ve never (until recently) had problems. But maybe I’ve been buying cars for all the wrong reasons these past years…

But I digress. It’s just that I feel like Toyota really has put themselves into a pickle with this whole situation… I’m very interested in finding out what they will do to ACTUALLY fix the problem, since everybody knows that gas pedals and floormats ain’t gonna fix sh1t.

gmmalvado–

Toyoda is not going to fix the problem. It would take to much money to fix the problem, and toyodas 1st and only goal is to make money. It is not about safety or quality right now. Until they see a big decline in sales, they will never fix the problems with the sudden acceleration or rust issues.

The only way toyoda will fix if the problems is if more people are killed, and the cost becomes greater then the cost of fixing the problem. Its all about accounting issues with toyoda. More lawsuits will equal a greater cost over fixing the fly by wire issues.

toyoda = crap cars

alsvw – Unfortunately most car companies are like what you have said. Most have analysts that figure out the cost of a recall vs. the cost of lawsuits. Whichever is lower is what they go with.

As for the entire recall of the accelerator peddle, I think it would be much smarter for Toyota to keep their reputation if they actually the fixed the problem. Instead they are trying to cheap out and save face which is only hurting them more due to the fact that the NHSTA does not agree with Toyota’s findings. The solution that is headlined (replace accelerator peddles) is not what will fix this. If anything it will be the cut out for the accelerator when both the gas and brake are applied at the same time.

Most modern vehicle electronic throttle control systems should have enough smarts to override gas pedal if the engine computer suspects the gas pedal is stuck. For example, if the engine computer detects the gas pedal as being applied and it stays applied while at some later point in time it detects the brake pedal as being applied as well while the vehicle is moving the engine computer software should raise a red flag. If both the gas pedal and the brake pedal stay applied for a period of time while the vehicle is moving the engine computer should at that point close the throttle and slow down the vehicle. This feature exists in my Chrysler vehicle but not in these recalled Toyotas. It’s a nice safety feature and it doesn’t interfere when I brake torque my car at a stop light. Apparently, Toyota doesn’t have this feature and it is a huge negligence on their part.

I noticed on a local TV news channel they were reporting that this toyota “problem” (cover up) is only happening here in the States, not in japan? Interesting………………

is it:
1. The japanesse media is help covering up the issue?
2. They have a different program in their vehicles, and our version DOES have a problem?
3. No one over there uses floor mats? ha ha

Brake override? Now ricers won’t be able to do proper burnouts in their diced out Corollas.

I wonder why since CTS’s other major clients are Honda, VW, Nissan, Mitsubishi that they have not come out and said that thier pedals too are not defective. I am sure Toyota is not the only Manufacturer that recieves gas pedals and other electronics from CTS that are defective. Though it is funny that Honda gave CTS an award of Excellence for their gas pedals that are now causing problems especially if they don’t even use them. Something to think about.

Toyota uses different gas pedals in Japan (Denso) and CTS in the USA