Here we go again!

Does anybody in an enthuiasts forum buy Toyotas?

not u.s. toyotas

Sadly, that seems to be the case here. If you can even call LLN an enthusiast forum.

Yep, Madcapp, Toyota has actually made some seriously good sports cars. MR2, Supra, Celica (either RWD or AWD). But nothing now, they seem to be too busy trying to kill the planet with Hybrids and SUV’s.

FAIL!!!

Toyota sold out the driving experience a long time ago.

****tiest launch of a pickup ever?
Hell yes.

awesome….just flippin awesome!!

I love it. I see this hasn’t made the headlines in the mainstream media, like when GM has a recall for a loose battery cable or something. That yoke fails on the freeway…lookout! I had that happen to me once on my LUV, and it nearly flipped the vehicle. Smashed the frame all to hell, and cut the brake lines. Nice mess that was!

LINK!!! I demand PROOF! LLN must back up this claim or else it is just an import-hating broken record!

wow, its even in the contention for motor trend truck of 2008, i guess there were so many fixed problems it counts as a redesign.

Further evidence that toyoda are superior to all! Liars!

But on the real, I hope I never suffer from a shaft separation

johnstew: I owned a celica: performance was about all I had any busness working with at the time, quality was execrable

lucklaster: I agree

ROFL! Tundra 2.0.1 wins the Truck of the Year!

“The truck that’s changing it all” ……………………………………………………………… BWAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Aww damn i think i shattered my lung by laughing too hard!! Oh the irony!
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Didn’t change ****! GM is still reaping the rewards: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071213/BUSINESS01/712130394

Aww I’m sorry, but…. “The truck that’s changing it all”????……… ROFL!!!!

i just want to take a dump on the hoods of every single tundra i see and say to the owner, “yep, i think that completed it…”

illwill: Enclave Is Truck of the year. I picked it over the CX-9. Now, if I can just find the one I want ….

Yea the Enclave is really something to xxxx about, i’ve been in one and it was amazing. CX-9 is pretty hot too, but i think they’re different enough to attract different audiences. They’re both amazing vehicles so it really comes down to final preference.

I love how Toyota is ALWAYS quick to blame their supplier for whatever problem happens to their vehicles.

Most other automakers accept blame directly, even if it was their supplier’s fault, and not their own. The majority of GM, Ford and Chrysler recalls are due to faulty parts made by their suppliers, yet they almost never blame their suppliers in press releases. Toyota does all the time. Toyota is like a liberal democrat company – they never accept responsibility for their own actions. Blame everyone else.

In all fairness, GM also issued a recall this week… But that doesn’t stop me from giggling my ass off at this news!!

Z06ified you’re dead on. I think we’ve all known people like you describe. Trouble is most of these pricks always seem to land on their feet no matter how bad they **** up. And, unfortunately, so will Toyota. There are still way too many buyers out there blinded by this myth of Japanese superior quality.

Z06: yeah, but this mortgage bailout (terrible idea) is for all rebuplicrats, not just donkeys

The rising sun is setting AGAIN

Z06 makes the most sense here. Toyota induldges in the “pass the buck” way of doing business.

For those who were stupid enough to buy this truck – that is what you get for not trusting the domestics and buying their trucks that have been around for more than half a century. If you want to sell out to Toyoda just because they are offering $10,000 in discounts on this **** and because you heard somewhere that Toyoda is reliable, this is how you will learn your lesson.

And this isn’t even as big of a recall as ALL the other problems the tundra has had. Transmission failures, camshafts snapping, tailgates cracking…………Toyoda thinks that by making their truck gianormous and putting a big engine in it that they have made a good full-size. Idiots!

^^^ well said.

^ hell yeay it serves them all right, dont they know the devil personally runs toyota, and when you make a dealk with the devil you never win.

Hey 1115, Time to add 15,600 Toyotas to their recall list…

Yeah not surprised here. Toyota is going down hill now that they are trying to maximize their production to take the global #1 spot. Unfortunate for Toyota good for domestics.

Only 15,600, don’t bother until it hits another 6 figure!

Well, no news here. Moving on…

But wait… there’s more!

golf4me: I actually heard it on the radio today before I even saw it on LLN.

awesome, yeah c6 your right no new here we already knew that toyota tundras are crap

I think I can join most everyone here to say-
Laughing My Ass Off!!!

OK, Toyota recalled 16K trucks due to problem. However all of those truck were build in Texas by American workers (I am sure no illegals). So why is so much cheers? Because those trucks are not build in Mexico or Canada? Or because plant is still open. The quality of “domestic” made in Canada and Mexico is better then it was before because Toyota and the rest of foreign manufacturers captured 50% of domestic market.

Toyota has definitely dropped the ball on the launch of this product. They finally build a fullsize pickup that matches the domestics in size and they seem to have completely overlooked nailing the details. Toyota had better get their act together soon. The perception of quality and reliability is what made this company. If they lose this, their products really don’t have anything else to make them stand out in the market.

Wtf, autonut, learn some grammar before you post.

I owned an MR2, ‘89 model i think, it was great for my second car but there arn’t many toyotas i’d buy.

I must say I’ve lost my confidence in NEW Toyota cars for the moment, but you can’t go wrong with a used one from, lets say, the early 00’s.

LOL, autonut thinks the problem here is the american worker. Holy crap, you miss the point. First of all, I’d be surprised if this part that failed was even made in america. And the idea that Toyotas are made here is laughable. They are ASSEMBLED here out of parts made in Japan and elsewhere. And remember the story the other day about Toyota cutting costs? I think that is what we’re seeing here – either bad engineering or poor materials due to the Wal Mart mentality.

Well, at least I see they recalled it before any accidents or injuries were reported…

Unlike the Prius. And the Camry. And a few of their engine ranges.

But seriously, I’m curious when they’re going to fix a few details. Such as the horrible vibrations I’ve now experienced in two Tundra pick-ups, that specifically effect the mirrors to where you can’t see out of them, and the bed which is weasy. Also the interior seems very cheap and reminiscent of GM interiors from the 90’s.

And yet their still having legal issues with the past generation.

i believe its the quality of the parts, not who puts them together. a group of the best line workers in the world putting something together with ****, will still result in ****.

yeah autonut just graduated to 1115`s statements, sorry to hear he tossed any credibility out the back of the vibrating bed.
this truck was released 2 years too early and it is the americam workers fault, how it it a workers fault they did not do enough r & d, they just wanted to **** a truck on the market and all they did was market ****.
15,600 was every 4×4 they sold by the way so this is a big deal.
you toyotapologists make any excuse for the crap they tell you to like, patheic.
you know why the titan has had almost no recalls…..because they engineered it properly, thats all. no more, just attention to detail, and they actually dorve it first too.

Autonut is correct and either way Toyota is still the more reliable product
Thanks for the mention Ill be on all day
CTS you cant talk about any credibility bc my statements are backed up by resale values from credible sources not like your opinions that you try and pass off as fact

I it was toward autont, and this truck is getting worse, nobody can deny that. and if you read my post you would see me saying the titan didnt have theese problems because they took their time to get it rite.

raiv: I think the domestic-parts content on the Tundra is about 75 percent. Far as I know, it’s the first vehicle built by toyota in the U.S.

bauer:good point

CTS: I like the Titan.

1115: You believe that more than toyota does

^^ me too jack it is the ONLY real japaneese full sized truck.

Too bad this is Made in USA….poor quality.

YAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWN !

^ good morning lp640 sounds like you slept well.

I don’t know why you guys are putting the Titan up high. Along with the Armada, it had so many problems during its launch, that Nissan had to bring 200 engineers over to the US to get it right.

Unfortunately for Toyota, this launch is going down the toilet, a day at a time. It’s very sad to see. From spending billions on a plant for the truck, then the gas price increase, then the hypocritical environmentalists, then the camshafts, then the safety rating debacle, then the ride quality issue, then the torque convertor issue, then the tailgate issue (which I’m not convinced of yet…just because it started on TundraSolutions doesn’t make it widespread concern) and now a drivetrain recall. And to cap it, it doesn’t look like Tundra will break Toyota’s 200,000 unit goal.

It’s very scary to see all of these concerns and then compare it Toyota’s statement that the Tundra launch is their most important launch in their 50 year history in the US.

I will still defend Toyota’s quality story but this is very concerning. Hopefully it won’t affect Toyota sales in the long term. I doubt it will.

It cracks me up to see Autonut’s casual reference to illegal aliens working at the San Antonio factory. I guess some people think Toyota sends a bus each day out behind Home Cheapot to pick up day laborers to machine cams and harden driveshafts and all that.

Guess F150s are “Built Ford Tough” whereas Tundras are “Built Tijuana Tough.”
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“Hey Jose! Hey man you finished wid da driveshafts? Juan needs them pronto! Arriba!”

“¡Ey amigo! Noooo. ¡Hora para una siesta! Siiiiiii.”

lol @ CTS DRIVER

Commodore: exactly. You just can’t beat the Domestics on this one. Give it up, import losers, y’all are going DOWN!

I’d really appreciate it if Tundras would fail more frequently. Those idiots who bought one deserve to pay to realize their arrogance.

According to this article (found via google, can’t vouch for it’s authenticity): http://www.toyoland.com/trucks/tundra-2007.html , “the [2007] Toyota Tundra was engineered using quite a few former Jeep-Truck Engineering and Ford people”. So the Tundra was engineered by DCX and F’s cast-offs (I believe Toyota has an engineering center in Ann Arbor). So those of you ripping on the “Japanese engineering” are partially incorrect. And those of you saying “American engineered trucks are better” are partially incorrect as well. Those of you who are saying “stick with the domestic’s who have been doing this for ~80 years” are much closer to the truth!

Vortec, so Toyota still is not to blame for HIRING those DCX and Ford “cast offs”? See, that’s the problem, they are growing so fast, they’ll take anyone else’s trash. And they are arrogant enough to think that their “systems” are idiot-proof. They also don’t test nearly enough. They are the stingiest company when it comes to independent durability testing & evaluation. They think their cars can come straight from the CAD machine to production line perfect, and now it’s coming back to bite them in the ass. I’ve never worked with more arrogant pricks than these guys, even the Germans were nicer people, and they paid their bills on time with no hassle.

I’m a GM fan, so I enjoy seeing this. The thought was that Toyota can do no wrong. Buy one, and it’ll go for 200,000 miles, no problem. The automotive media talked about, “when Toyota becomes #1″, or “by the end of the year Toyota will be the worlds biggest auto maker.” Throwing GM under the bus for inferior products & such. So while I could really give a **** who’s #1, I like to see this. I love how the press likes to over analyze everything and come to conclusions to early. Will Toyota become “the worlds biggest automaker” while their perceived quality takes continuous hits? I don’t know?

Globally, Toyota is already #1 in sales. As far as going from CAD quickly to production, that is true. Toyota stopped this method and substantially increased development time and prototype builds with the introduction of the 2008 Highlander.

kaizen – the Titan had its problems, but every brand-new car launch often does. However, the Titan was made by a much smaller company. It was taken seriously, but when Toy, a huge, supposedly eco-friendly automaker and our biggest competitor introduces a monstorous truck, it just can’t be ignored. As the #1 automaker (and it isn’t official until the end of the year), everything Toyoda does will be magnified x1000 just like it was with GM. After Americans bought into Toyoda and Honda, these companies because huge, they can no longer be passed off as the little guys who are beating the big guys like some people here (1115) were trying to say. So it is perfectly fair in my eyes to have Toyoda be criticized just like GM is. And I don’t feel sorry for them at all that Toy is being hammered by the tree huggers. They have, for so long, sold many more cars than they should have because of the recent green movement. So when Toyoda chooses to be hypocritical and talk about eco-friendliness and in the next breath introduce a huge truck (have you seen the CrewCab?) with a giant V8 engine that gets worse fuel economy that GM so they deserve the criticism.
But don’t worry, with all the cash Toyoda has made in America, they have plenty to finance incentives as big as the Tundra in order to reach their 200,000 sales goal.
Hopefully though, people will stop mindlessly buying Toyodas because of its “quality reputation”. That is out the window in my eyes, with problems not only with the Tundra, but with the Camry, and even some Lexus models. Greed is what motivates Toyoda now (like many other Asians companies) and their quest to be #1 and to make more money is what is going to bring them down. After World War II, we seem to have taught capitalism to Japan pretty well.

On the media issue..I can’t for the life of me understand why our media was rooting for Toyoda to be #1. They were practically counting down the days. It’s embarrassing, and it happens nowhere else in the world.

WEKS: spot on.

im not a fan of the US toyotas, save 4 runner and LC. I wish they were back to the sports car game like they did in the 80’s and 90s.

CTS:”, frontires are made in the usa and are flawless, so is the matrix..flawless. make all the excuses you want i still say the should have tested the truck better before releasing it.”

Yep.

deantj:

I’m a homo
sapien

Don’t forget the Toyota Exec who stated the new Tundra has brought SHAME to Toyota! Search LLN under Toyota Shame and read for yourself. The auto media has ignored this statement, but if an American Auto Exec had said something similar, it would have been cover story news! I just don’t get it! Why does the media cover up for them? Could it be payola?

Nice post Commodore. If you don’t root for the home team get out of the stadium. Why people think importing products makes economic sense is beyond me.

What an arrogant company and media. The big truth is – they are like any other manufacturing company. They are subject to all the forces any others are – but a large segment of the media were naïve to it. Now it’s coming home to roost and the cover is blown and the company is facing reality and that same media is more and more looking like fools.