Comments on: Toyota recalls 15,600 Tundra pickups

By: lucklaster

lucklaster — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:28:23 +0000

What an arrogant company and media. The big truth is – they are like any other manufacturing company. They are subject to all the forces any others are – but a large segment of the media were naïve to it. Now it’s coming home to roost and the cover is blown and the company is facing reality and that same media is more and more looking like fools.

By: frylock350

frylock350 — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:08:13 +0000

Nice post Commodore. If you don’t root for the home team get out of the stadium. Why people think importing products makes economic sense is beyond me.

By: Fleming in Tennessee

Fleming in Tennessee — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 02:58:06 +0000

Don’t forget the Toyota Exec who stated the new Tundra has brought SHAME to Toyota! Search LLN under Toyota Shame and read for yourself. The auto media has ignored this statement, but if an American Auto Exec had said something similar, it would have been cover story news! I just don’t get it! Why does the media cover up for them? Could it be payola?

By: jackjimturkey

jackjimturkey — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:33:33 +0000

CTS:”, frontires are made in the usa and are flawless, so is the matrix..flawless. make all the excuses you want i still say the should have tested the truck better before releasing it.”

Yep.

deantj:

I’m a homo
sapien

By: Htay9500

Htay9500 — Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:01:43 +0000

im not a fan of the US toyotas, save 4 runner and LC. I wish they were back to the sports car game like they did in the 80’s and 90s.

By: Htay9500

Htay9500 — Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:00:05 +0000

WEKS: spot on.

By: Commodore

Commodore — Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:22:24 +0000

kaizen – the Titan had its problems, but every brand-new car launch often does. However, the Titan was made by a much smaller company. It was taken seriously, but when Toy, a huge, supposedly eco-friendly automaker and our biggest competitor introduces a monstorous truck, it just can’t be ignored. As the #1 automaker (and it isn’t official until the end of the year), everything Toyoda does will be magnified x1000 just like it was with GM. After Americans bought into Toyoda and Honda, these companies because huge, they can no longer be passed off as the little guys who are beating the big guys like some people here (1115) were trying to say. So it is perfectly fair in my eyes to have Toyoda be criticized just like GM is. And I don’t feel sorry for them at all that Toy is being hammered by the tree huggers. They have, for so long, sold many more cars than they should have because of the recent green movement. So when Toyoda chooses to be hypocritical and talk about eco-friendliness and in the next breath introduce a huge truck (have you seen the CrewCab?) with a giant V8 engine that gets worse fuel economy that GM so they deserve the criticism.
But don’t worry, with all the cash Toyoda has made in America, they have plenty to finance incentives as big as the Tundra in order to reach their 200,000 sales goal.
Hopefully though, people will stop mindlessly buying Toyodas because of its “quality reputation”. That is out the window in my eyes, with problems not only with the Tundra, but with the Camry, and even some Lexus models. Greed is what motivates Toyoda now (like many other Asians companies) and their quest to be #1 and to make more money is what is going to bring them down. After World War II, we seem to have taught capitalism to Japan pretty well.

On the media issue..I can’t for the life of me understand why our media was rooting for Toyoda to be #1. They were practically counting down the days. It’s embarrassing, and it happens nowhere else in the world.

By: Kaizen

Kaizen — Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:02:08 +0000

Globally, Toyota is already #1 in sales. As far as going from CAD quickly to production, that is true. Toyota stopped this method and substantially increased development time and prototype builds with the introduction of the 2008 Highlander.

By: hateful83

hateful83 — Sun, 16 Dec 2007 03:55:43 +0000

I’m a GM fan, so I enjoy seeing this. The thought was that Toyota can do no wrong. Buy one, and it’ll go for 200,000 miles, no problem. The automotive media talked about, “when Toyota becomes #1″, or “by the end of the year Toyota will be the worlds biggest auto maker.” Throwing GM under the bus for inferior products & such. So while I could really give a **** who’s #1, I like to see this. I love how the press likes to over analyze everything and come to conclusions to early. Will Toyota become “the worlds biggest automaker” while their perceived quality takes continuous hits? I don’t know?

By: golf4me

golf4me — Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:03:42 +0000

Vortec, so Toyota still is not to blame for HIRING those DCX and Ford “cast offs”? See, that’s the problem, they are growing so fast, they’ll take anyone else’s trash. And they are arrogant enough to think that their “systems” are idiot-proof. They also don’t test nearly enough. They are the stingiest company when it comes to independent durability testing & evaluation. They think their cars can come straight from the CAD machine to production line perfect, and now it’s coming back to bite them in the ass. I’ve never worked with more arrogant pricks than these guys, even the Germans were nicer people, and they paid their bills on time with no hassle.

By: vortec42

vortec42 — Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:10:03 +0000

According to this article (found via google, can’t vouch for it’s authenticity): http://www.toyoland.com/trucks/tundra-2007.html , “the [2007] Toyota Tundra was engineered using quite a few former Jeep-Truck Engineering and Ford people”. So the Tundra was engineered by DCX and F’s cast-offs (I believe Toyota has an engineering center in Ann Arbor). So those of you ripping on the “Japanese engineering” are partially incorrect. And those of you saying “American engineered trucks are better” are partially incorrect as well. Those of you who are saying “stick with the domestic’s who have been doing this for ~80 years” are much closer to the truth!

By: Bryce

Bryce — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:48:51 +0000

I’d really appreciate it if Tundras would fail more frequently. Those idiots who bought one deserve to pay to realize their arrogance.

By: 1c3d0g

1c3d0g — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:22:34 +0000

Commodore: exactly. You just can’t beat the Domestics on this one. Give it up, import losers, y’all are going DOWN!

By: LP640

LP640 — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:22:20 +0000

lol @ CTS DRIVER

By: RicardoHead

RicardoHead — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:14:13 +0000

It cracks me up to see Autonut’s casual reference to illegal aliens working at the San Antonio factory. I guess some people think Toyota sends a bus each day out behind Home Cheapot to pick up day laborers to machine cams and harden driveshafts and all that.

Guess F150s are “Built Ford Tough” whereas Tundras are “Built Tijuana Tough.”
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“Hey Jose! Hey man you finished wid da driveshafts? Juan needs them pronto! Arriba!”

“¡Ey amigo! Noooo. ¡Hora para una siesta! Siiiiiii.”

By: Kaizen

Kaizen — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:21:08 +0000

I don’t know why you guys are putting the Titan up high. Along with the Armada, it had so many problems during its launch, that Nissan had to bring 200 engineers over to the US to get it right.

Unfortunately for Toyota, this launch is going down the toilet, a day at a time. It’s very sad to see. From spending billions on a plant for the truck, then the gas price increase, then the hypocritical environmentalists, then the camshafts, then the safety rating debacle, then the ride quality issue, then the torque convertor issue, then the tailgate issue (which I’m not convinced of yet…just because it started on TundraSolutions doesn’t make it widespread concern) and now a drivetrain recall. And to cap it, it doesn’t look like Tundra will break Toyota’s 200,000 unit goal.

It’s very scary to see all of these concerns and then compare it Toyota’s statement that the Tundra launch is their most important launch in their 50 year history in the US.

I will still defend Toyota’s quality story but this is very concerning. Hopefully it won’t affect Toyota sales in the long term. I doubt it will.

By: CTS DRIVER

CTS DRIVER — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:09:00 +0000

^ good morning lp640 sounds like you slept well.

By: LP640

LP640 — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:34:54 +0000

YAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWN !

By: Elvio

Elvio — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:24:41 +0000

Too bad this is Made in USA….poor quality.

By: CTS DRIVER

CTS DRIVER — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:04:53 +0000

^^ me too jack it is the ONLY real japaneese full sized truck.

By: jackjimturkey

jackjimturkey — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:55:48 +0000

raiv: I think the domestic-parts content on the Tundra is about 75 percent. Far as I know, it’s the first vehicle built by toyota in the U.S.

bauer:good point

CTS: I like the Titan.

1115: You believe that more than toyota does

By: CTS DRIVER

CTS DRIVER — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:51:35 +0000

I it was toward autont, and this truck is getting worse, nobody can deny that. and if you read my post you would see me saying the titan didnt have theese problems because they took their time to get it rite.

By: tripleonefive

tripleonefive — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:05:12 +0000

Autonut is correct and either way Toyota is still the more reliable product
Thanks for the mention Ill be on all day
CTS you cant talk about any credibility bc my statements are backed up by resale values from credible sources not like your opinions that you try and pass off as fact

By: CTS DRIVER

CTS DRIVER — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:34:40 +0000

yeah autonut just graduated to 1115`s statements, sorry to hear he tossed any credibility out the back of the vibrating bed.
this truck was released 2 years too early and it is the americam workers fault, how it it a workers fault they did not do enough r & d, they just wanted to **** a truck on the market and all they did was market ****.
15,600 was every 4×4 they sold by the way so this is a big deal.
you toyotapologists make any excuse for the crap they tell you to like, patheic.
you know why the titan has had almost no recalls…..because they engineered it properly, thats all. no more, just attention to detail, and they actually dorve it first too.

By: bauer100

bauer100 — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:09:14 +0000

i believe its the quality of the parts, not who puts them together. a group of the best line workers in the world putting something together with ****, will still result in ****.

By: jayjc08

jayjc08 — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:59:45 +0000

Well, at least I see they recalled it before any accidents or injuries were reported…

Unlike the Prius. And the Camry. And a few of their engine ranges.

But seriously, I’m curious when they’re going to fix a few details. Such as the horrible vibrations I’ve now experienced in two Tundra pick-ups, that specifically effect the mirrors to where you can’t see out of them, and the bed which is weasy. Also the interior seems very cheap and reminiscent of GM interiors from the 90’s.

And yet their still having legal issues with the past generation.

By: injunraiv

injunraiv — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:55:24 +0000

LOL, autonut thinks the problem here is the american worker. Holy crap, you miss the point. First of all, I’d be surprised if this part that failed was even made in america. And the idea that Toyotas are made here is laughable. They are ASSEMBLED here out of parts made in Japan and elsewhere. And remember the story the other day about Toyota cutting costs? I think that is what we’re seeing here – either bad engineering or poor materials due to the Wal Mart mentality.

By: WEKS

WEKS — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:16:30 +0000

I must say I’ve lost my confidence in NEW Toyota cars for the moment, but you can’t go wrong with a used one from, lets say, the early 00’s.

By: meekin111

meekin111 — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 09:53:28 +0000

I owned an MR2, ‘89 model i think, it was great for my second car but there arn’t many toyotas i’d buy.

By: C6Racer

C6Racer — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 06:37:22 +0000

Wtf, autonut, learn some grammar before you post.

By: mazdaman

mazdaman — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 04:24:39 +0000

Toyota has definitely dropped the ball on the launch of this product. They finally build a fullsize pickup that matches the domestics in size and they seem to have completely overlooked nailing the details. Toyota had better get their act together soon. The perception of quality and reliability is what made this company. If they lose this, their products really don’t have anything else to make them stand out in the market.

By: autonut

autonut — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:42:36 +0000

OK, Toyota recalled 16K trucks due to problem. However all of those truck were build in Texas by American workers (I am sure no illegals). So why is so much cheers? Because those trucks are not build in Mexico or Canada? Or because plant is still open. The quality of “domestic” made in Canada and Mexico is better then it was before because Toyota and the rest of foreign manufacturers captured 50% of domestic market.

By: lucklaster

lucklaster — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:30:08 +0000

I think I can join most everyone here to say-
Laughing My Ass Off!!!

By: 441Zuke

441Zuke — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:40:10 +0000

awesome, yeah c6 your right no new here we already knew that toyota tundras are crap

By: stick2clutch

stick2clutch — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:41:56 +0000

golf4me: I actually heard it on the radio today before I even saw it on LLN.