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  • Toyota recalls 2.3 million more cars with stuck accelerators

    By Mark Kleis - Posted January 21st 2010

    2009 saw the largest-ever recall in the history of Toyota with 4.3 million vehicles recalled due to floor mats catching the accelerator pedal. Now, Toyota has launched a separate recall for 2.3 million vehicles concerning gas pedals that can malfunction and stick – without a floor mat in the vehicle.

    Toyota says that the latest recall is totally separate from the previous recall, and addresses the possibility of some accelerator pedals becoming stuck in a position that applies throttle, without a floor mat being present.

    “Our investigation indicates that there is a possibility that certain accelerator pedal mechanisms may, in rare instances, mechanically stick in a partially depressed position or return slowly to the idle position,” said Irv Miller, Toyota USA group vice president.

    According to a report from Toyota, the chance of the pedal becoming stuck is very low, but it increases as the pedal wears over time. According to Toyota spokesman Brian Lyons, the pedal may become harder to press and may be slow to return once released. Because it is an issue that develops gradually over time, it was not detected during testing and development, prior to entering production.

    Toyota says that it is notifying owners of the potential problem as well as advising them on how to react should the problem occur while driving. Toyota suggests not pumping the brakes, which may deplete brake pressure, but instead to apply firm, constant pressure, pull over at a safe location and turn the vehicle off. Toyota then suggests that owners make contact with a local dealership to obtain further assistance.

    The vehicles affected by this recall include: 2009-10 Toyota Rav4, Corolla, Matrix, 2005-2010 Avalon, 2010 Highlander, 2007-2010 Tundra, 2008-2010 Sequoia and 2008-10 Camry – not including the Camry Hybrid.

    Toyota has not commented on whether or not this problem may have played a role in either of the incidents Leftlane reported that involved the Toyota Avalon and possible unintended acceleration. In the aforementioned report on the Toyota Avalon, an Avalon was observed performing at full throttle while the floor mat was removed and a Toyota mechanic physically moved the gas pedal with no effect – making the cause of that incident unlikely to be related to this latest recall.

    Since 2009, Toyota has recalled 5.5 million vehicles concerning unintended acceleration issues.

    87 COMMENTS

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      carstuff189 days ago

      I am really amazed. They are grasping at straws. Like Audi they have no idea what the problem is and are shooting with a shotgun to solve the problem.

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      Bubs Solo189 days ago

      the big question… Is this finally something that will tarnish Toyota’s holier than thou image and change the perception of how the general public sees this company???

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      A4189 days ago

      Dr Fill yayyyyyyyy! What qualityyyy! What deceptionnnnn! Twat.

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      e46Ne90189 days ago

      toyota sell majority of the vehicles based on reliability and high resale values. Is this the end for toyota? It really looks like they’re still figuring out the source of the problem.

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      idrinorbarsaku189 days ago

      The pedal sticking? I clearly remember the guy’s instance that was posted on LLN, and his pedal was not sticking or only slowly depressing. This is not the fix, but a quick change to the pedal is a lot cheaper than changing the cars ecu. You would think that by now, we could quickly diagnose the problem…but then again…it is toyota, they appear to always be late at fixing huge problems

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      botafusion189 days ago

      oh what a feeling………….as suckyota slides into a black hole abyss of crappily designed, engineered, and built vehicles. Anyone who buys or owns one of these deathtraps, I honestly feel sorry for. Not only for their safety, but for their ignorance and naivety. Wow, 5 million vehicles recalled in less than a year and STILL have not fixed the problem. At least the japs make killer motorcycles, no pun intended.

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      NRG189 days ago

      I think it may Bubs. I don’t know if I will be buying a Toyota or Lexus for quite some time. I doubt the pedal is the cause of all this. It may be part of it, but I think there is more involved. I am kind of happy that Toyota has been knocked down a notch or two. You can’t stay on top forever.

      Between last year and this year, Toyota has recalled 6.6 million vehicles. WOW. 2010 has only just begun.

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      campyeac189 days ago

      Has anyone noticed that the emperor is not wearing any clothes?

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      beatusmongous189 days ago

      ^And that he’s hung like a chihuahua?^

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      Borat189 days ago

      ^^^ it’s because of January shrinkage. And I hope we are not talking about Doc, ’cause he is NOT working for Toyota.

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      rpmfan189 days ago

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

      I guess when crap hits the fan, it hits it full force.

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

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      terk184189 days ago

      Were you guys referring to DrFill? I thought it was because he was in the pool.

      DrFill tiene una pinga muy pequeno, como un insecto…

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      rpmfan189 days ago

      I should also add, I love how they STILL refuse to address the real problems. By the time this is done, they’ll have recalled 10 million vehicles until they finally admit that the problem is in the drive system/computer.

      That’s fine with me though, if it tarnishes their reputation, and people wake up to see what they have, then it is all for good.

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      cmuthard189 days ago

      Carstuff…

      You need to check your facts. It was proved that there never was a problem with any Audi accelerators. It was determined that the pedal arrangement was closer together then americans were used to and people were pushing the wrong pedal to the floor.

      Funny how 60 Minutes never bothered to run the outcome of the story. It sure sucks when people fact check your work..

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      0-60189 days ago

      Is it wrong that this makes me laugh really hard? I’m on the floor right now.

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      johnnycanuck189 days ago

      What did I say yesterday that got his nib’s panties in such a bunch… there’s no way in hell I would buy or recommend anyone buy a Toyota until this issue is resolved. But if nothing else at least they’re getting warmer.

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      zoomzoomer189 days ago

      I’m just curious whether all the vehicles in this recall are drive-by-wire? Because if they aren’t, then Toyota is admitting to yet another problem than the one we already suspect is being caused by the ECU!

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      Troll Killer189 days ago

      How the times have changed….

      Before it was GM is making crap and Fix Or Repair Daily. Look at where we are now.

      Anyway I hope thye fix the problem, not because I like Toyota, but because of all the people put at risk driving them.

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      johnnycanuck189 days ago

      zoom, good point. I think they’re still skirting the real problem because this pedal thing is another relatively cheap fix. If they have to replace millions of ECUs it could bust their financial balls.

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      e46Ne90189 days ago

      Does anyone know how to email the article? if I can figure out how to email this to Dr. Fill

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      reedfast189 days ago

      That’s it, i’m e mailing this to my local paper – that will teach those hippies to drive priuses.

      Come on toyota, just fix it already, by the time this is over, you will have saved money if you had replaced the ecu’s as sooon as the problem happened.

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      Jaime Santos189 days ago

      Hopefully everyone will finally see that the once “perfect” Toyota is all about……don’t think there has ever been such a large recall by one single car company…..ever!!! They are not so perfect after all…….

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      reedfast189 days ago

      i just e-mailed my local paper, maybe this will get the ball rolling. Will some of you please do the same?

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      Mark Elias189 days ago

      >>Reedfast

      The Recall does not include the Prius.

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      reedfast189 days ago

      that doesn’t mean the hippies know that, does it Mark?

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      reedfast189 days ago

      I was really hoping that they would see that toyota is not as amazingly reliable a company as they seem to think it is.

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      0-60189 days ago

      Toyota has done a good job of keeping this quiet. I have friends that live in San Diego that own toyotas that don’t even know about this. They also don’t even know about the CHP office and his family that died in a lexus and it happened in San Diego. toyota pleas tell me how you can keep something this serious under the rug.

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      Borat189 days ago

      How Toyota can do anything to keep this quiet? It is allover US news! Do they have US TV or papers in San Diego, I understand proximity to the Southern border, but how you can’t read, hear or see this on TV?

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      splunked189 days ago

      So is the recall unintentionally accelerating?

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      beatusmongous189 days ago

      Mark, the reason the Prius isn’t in the recall is because when it actually DOES accelerate unintentionally, no one notices.

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      bmac25189 days ago

      its funny how long this has taken to become big and its still not all over the news in a lot of places, yet if it was gm ford or chrysler it would have made the front page everywhere the day it was found out.

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      CiNO189 days ago

      Toyota would have closed the case long ago, If they just replace the infected ECU.

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      carstuff189 days ago

      I think you guys are putting too much on Toyotas back. This situation could probably happen to any Marque. Poor Audi had the same issue but it turned out to be brake/accelerator pedal placement.

      This will most likely turn out to be a fluke in the electronics that could happen to any vehicle, and probably does. But I would not doubt that they never find the root cause.

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      rpmfan189 days ago

      I’ve seen it on yahoo’s front page. And 2 local channels here in Boston have already hinted to opening their 11 o’clock newscasts with that news. Hopefully people open their damn eyes and realize Toyota isn’t as reliable as first thought.

      Besides, as a couple of people have already stated, they would have save time and money had they just taken care of the actual issue. Instead, by the time they do, they will have recalled 10 million vehicles for various problems. Though they may not actually be the real problem, all these other recalls will leave a bad P.R. issue.

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      leftwingagenda189 days ago

      so i suppose the best judge of whether this is the proper fix is the avalon guy…he knows whether he had the accelerator pressed all the way down when the throttle was pegged, or whether the car just took off when he was at half-open throttle or w/e…there’s a huge distinction there…

      actually, on second thought, i don’t see how all those different models could have the same physical pedal/throttle linkage…too many different designs are affected…i’m guessing it’s a safer bet that they all share the same ecu/programming, rather than physical linkages…

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      alsvw189 days ago

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I would hate to own a toyodaa right now.

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      NickelDime189 days ago

      I love that the cars on the lot are under recall.

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      nestle_s189 days ago

      Recalls happen and at least Toyota caught this one early. Toyota is still a good brand just with these cars accelerating by themselves is what scares me.

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      alsvw189 days ago

      The toyodaa stock is at its 3 month high. Not a good time to buy the stock or the cars. Anybody that knows anything about cars would not buy a toyodaa right now. Its like playing russian roulette with your life. Its probably safer buying a Smart car !

      HAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!

      Dr.filledwithcrap is probably on his 13th beer, not knowing what to do with his life.

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      alsvw189 days ago

      Dr.filledwithcrap is probably on this 18th beer, trying to figure out what to do with his life.

      Its probably safer to buy a Smart car right now. HAHAHAHA !!!

      The toyodaa stock is at a 6 month high. Not a good time to buy the stock or a toyodaa product.

      Toyoda = turd car

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      TOZO189 days ago

      Toyota = POS.

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      HDSRED189 days ago

      Not only does toyota have these problems and many more that we have discussed here before (tundra frames rusting, V6 sludge, brakes freezing up where it snows, etc), the worrisome is how toyota is addressing this (the lack there of) and other problems while peoples lives are at risk. They have no accountability and corporate responsibility. Yes other makers have had their problems as well, BUT the big difference is that they handled it more swiftly and thuroughly. This all happens while for some reason, people still think toyota is the best, and the media does not report anything bad about them. If this was an American car maker, the media would be plastering this every 5 minutes on TV and announcing it on billboards!

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      HDSRED189 days ago

      Here is what our news in San Diego is showing, GREAT picture!

      http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/kswb-sns-ap-us-toyota-recall,0,1777684.story

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      The Pill189 days ago

      This comes as no surprise. The only thing that is actually surprising are the amount of Toyota Sycophants who are still nipple to lip on Toyota’s sagging teats. The Toyota “true believers” are still out there desperately trying to convince the rest of us that there is nothing wrong with their almighty so-called bullet proof car brand.

      Punks!

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      HDSRED189 days ago

      I just discovered that toyota had another recall recently?! LOL

      “Toyota’s previously largest U.S. recall was about 900,000 vehicles in 2005 to fix a steering issue. “

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      beatusmongous189 days ago

      Toyota didn’t “catch this one early”. They’ve been denying it for a while, claimed it was floor mats and employed zip ties as a quick fix. We’re not upset that the cars are being recalled. If Toyota had immediately launched an investigation on the throttle control computer, we would at least notice Toyota’s efforts through this. But they haven’t. They’ve been skirting around the issue, denying it existed, putting the blame on the customers, and now they are finally having their hand forced. And yet, it still seems like they won’t pony up and take responsibility. They aren’t trying to weed out possibilities. Instead, it seems they are hiding something, and that’s why we are losing respect for Toyota.

      Yeah, I know some people didn’t have respect for Toyota to begin with, but I did. Right now, for me, they are about as respectful as that Chrysler dealer that doesn’t want to eat their own mistake.

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      Troll Killer189 days ago

      @0-60

      Yeah I think Toyota dramatically increased their advertising budget to try to keep people from knowing. I live in San Diego and I’ve heard more BS Toyota commercials now than ever. There was a Camry commercial on the other day where the woman talked about how great her car is and how it never gave her any problems. Not once did she mention the exterior/interior styling, features, steering feel or engine. Just the reliability. What is the world coming to? Do the other things not matter anymore?

      That’s what Toyota gets. A good car has all of these features. Not just one. They put all their eggs in one basket, and when the basket broke, they got screwed.

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      carstuff188 days ago

      cmut, that is exactly what I said.

      Whoops I guess I said that on some other article! But they did not figure it our til well into the invetigation

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      carstuff188 days ago

      Well, cmut, it was in this thread later on.

      Anyway, due to the audi pedal issue GM and others revised the brake/accelerator pedal placement and everytime C&D or some other road test tries to do heel/toe braking they complain the pedals are placed wrong.

      To assure that someone does not hit both the brake and acc. pedal at the same time (well, assure as possible) the brake pedal is a couple inches higher than the acc. pedal. They used to be side by side. Take a look at your car and see what you have.

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      carstuff188 days ago

      Anda s a side note. I sat in a LaCrosse, with a European designed architecture, and found that the brake and accelerator pedals were pretty close together. Obviously not engineered for our US litigious society.

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      brocky188 days ago

      Time to build that Supra. It will hit the quarter mile in 12.5 seconds without you even pressing the pedal.

      ….

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      cptamazing188 days ago

      I have always known Toyotas are sh1t, that’s why I don’t feel sorry for anyone who injured as a result of these glaring engineering defects.

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      torquemonster188 days ago

      Any reports of this happening in Scion branded cars?

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      saabaru1188 days ago

      cptaamazing- It is one thing to bash Toyota for this story, it is quite another to be an ignorant fool. Just because you know about a defect does not mean EVERY consumer knows. Perhaps you should spend more time educating other consumers as to your enlightened ways and less time criticizing the dead.

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      cptamazing188 days ago

      Suck a big one you goof. Obviously people who buy toyotas are the ignorant fools. They deserve what they get.

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      saabaru1188 days ago

      New England Cable News just ran this story and I am happy to say they got it right. They mentioned 60 incidents since the floor mat recall, and I inferred that there is still suspicion about the issue. I am happy for their accurate reporting. Good job NECN. (AND LLN!)

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      saabaru1188 days ago

      cpta- Do their children in the back seat deserve what they get you stupid mother****er?

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      RaineMan188 days ago

      It saddens me that Toyota continues to put consumers at risk by denying the real problem. Those throttle-by-wire pedals are just spring loaded pressure sensors, pretty simple actually. The problem is not with the pedal, but rather in the ECU that is reading “full throttle” when the condition does not exist.

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      85ZingoGTR188 days ago

      Lesson learned here: Sophisitcated computerized Drive-by-wire = Bad news. Whatever happened to the basic cable pulling the butterfly valve throttle? It was basic, less complicated, very easy to maintain, and the throttle response was instant with no slight delay like the solenoid controlled drive-by-wire. When its less complex, it has less problems. Take it from an engineer. If it aint broke, DON”T FIX IT!!!

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      carstuff188 days ago

      Its been on Fox a couple times today.

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      A4188 days ago

      This lack of Dr. Fill just proves that his sh!ts weak.

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      carstuff188 days ago

      85Z, not exactly my expertise but with fuel injection I doubt the gas was getting in by use of a cable for quite a while. I think the cable actually actuated a sensor which sent the data to the PCM and then put in the correct amount of fuel. The latest systems just bypass the cable. Then again perhaps the cable did actuate the airflow directly and the fuel by way of sensor?

      But if someone is better educated let us know what the systems really are with the cylinder FI.

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      RaineMan188 days ago

      My Silverado still has a cable attached to the throttle body. As far as I know the cable pulls the butterfly on the throttle body, the MAF sensor reads the amount of air going into the engine and the ECU signals the correct amount of fuel to be injected.

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      rpmfan188 days ago

      @ nestle_s

      Caught early? Are you kidding me? This has been an ongoing problem for a few years. Toyota just keeps trying to mask the real issue with each recall.

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      injunraiv188 days ago

      Hmmm, no Dr. Fill comment yet, nor ever in the last one. Ironic how he keeps missing these…

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      alsvw188 days ago

      Dr.filled with crap cannot deal with the truth. Hence, no dr.fill on this link. Tell me, who in there right mind would buy a toyodaa knowing all the safety issues? What complete idiot would do this? Well we all know of one person. That is dr.filledwithcrap.

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      85ZingoGTR188 days ago

      carstuff – I had a 96 Hyundai accent and a 2000 Nissan Pathfinder both with fuel injection and both had mechanically linked throttles. The difference between the two is that with the traditional mechanically linked the mechanical cable linkage goes from the pedal to the butterfly. Thats it. You can manually turn the butterfly by hand if needed during mainenance to rev the engine. In drive-by-wire, the pedal input is transmitted through electircal signals to the ECU which then sends a signal to a solenoid (electro-magnetically controlled mechanism) which adjusts the butterfly throttle depending on the input of the driver (i.e. how far the pedal is depressed). The advantage to drive-by-wire is that the engine output is fully controlled by the ECU so that it burns fuel precisely and more efficiently while giving you the power and torque you need at the same time. So it doesnt only control the throttle but also the fuel delivery, air delivery, power output, idles the engine at a higher speed during cold start to warm it up quicker, etc. Much more sophisticated system

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      85ZingoGTR188 days ago

      carstuff – Adding onto the previous response. fuel injection is just the way the fuel is delivered to the cylinders. Fuel injectors turn the fuel into a fine mist. A process called atomization. Its easier to mix with air and burns quicker because of increased surface area on the fuel droplets. Also promotes turbulence in the cylinders which helps mix the air and fuel better. Carbureators would send small drops of fuel as oppose to the fine mist fuel injectors do. So they’re not as efficient. Mechanically linked systems only controlled the butterfly throttle valve on the air intake. The injectors were then controlled by a different mechanism (or sensor if the car uses electronic fuel injection) following the input of the air intake by reading the changes of the airflow coming into the engine. Drive by wire however controls this valve plus all these additional items like the fuel injection, valve timing, ignition system (sparkplug timing and voltage) and also manages the engine output and efficiency all at the same time. I hope these two comments cleared up any clouds on how these systems work.

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      saabaru1188 days ago

      85Zingo- Do you have a teenage son that uses your account sometimes? Maybe I’m just remembering the wrong guy, but I swear you used to post incredibly useless stuff (like I do 1/2 the time), and now you post actual helpful information (like I do 1/10). That said, I completely agree with you that drive-by-wire is over-technologizing.
      Ever drive a dodge ram? At least the early production (last gen) ones I drove had 1/4-1/2 second delay between pedal movement and throttle movement.

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      rarson188 days ago

      carstuff:

      Cable throttles are cable throttles. The cable attaches to the throttle body butterfly. The Throttle Position Sensor simply tells the ECU how far the throttle is open. It’s attached to the throttle body, not the the cable. As far as fuel is concerned, of course fuel doesn’t flow in through the throttle because EFI is not designed that way. In a MAF setup, fuel delivery is calculated based off airflow (load), TPS position, and RPM.

      I’ve heard the about the potential pedal problem. I doubt that’s what it is. Seems to me like it’s far more likely either the electronic throttle body itself is malfunctioning or the ECU (my money’s on the TB). But I doubt Toyota would spend the money on all these recalls if they didn’t think it could possibly fix the problem. Sure, it might be cheaper than replacing TBs, but even little recalls like that are expensive. That they’re recalling at all shows they’re at least ATTEMPTING to address the problem… it’s more than Mitsubishi would do. Hell, Mitsu denied me a transfer case recall (a CHECK of the transfer case) based on my VIN number. I told them “it doesn’t matter what the VIN is, it applies to ALL AWD DSMs.” They stare at me like they don’t know what a TSB is.

      Anyway, seems like Toyota is getting a little comfortable and maybe not testing its new tech enough. I’d hate to see their business suffer because of that, seeing as how they’re one of the few manufacturers that actually builds a lot of their cars in this country.

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      rarson188 days ago

      Carbs also suffer from pooling because the fuel has to travel further to reach the intake valves. Fuel likes to stick to surfaces, especially smooth ones.

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      cptamazing188 days ago

      Sabaru…you post useless stuff all the time. Don’t kid yourself. Maybe this is toyotas way of culling the herd(Americans) LOL. If I was american I would be royally p1ssed right now.

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      Road_AMS188 days ago

      Paging Dr.Fill…Yeah, I’m talking to you DIRECTLY
      It must be getting hard to tell your customers
      that the cars you sell hate themselves so much
      that they go into self-distruct mode. Unfortunately,
      the passengers go along with it. That should bump up
      your beloved resale value. Can you smell that quality?

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      Troll Killer188 days ago

      Dr. Fill should be dead…hence my name.

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      Troll Killer188 days ago

      I’m pretty sure I didn’t miss the snipe…but that ugly Lexus HS in the driveway was blinding my vision.

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      beatusmongous188 days ago

      Rarson, I believe the reason Toyota is doing all of these recalls is because they don’t want to tarnish their reputation, and they are trying to keep the costs down. It costs a lot more to launch an investigation to find the problem, and then recall all of the products with the drive-by-wire system than it does to attach zip ties to floor mats and put the blame on the customers and dealers. If the people buy it, then Toyota gets off with their rep intact and a low cost. Trouble is, we aren’t buying it, and in the end, it will cost Toyota a lot more than the price of the recalls.

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      carstuff188 days ago

      Saaburu, you are right. 85Z seems to be thinking a bit more than he used to. Thanks for all the info. I know most of it but was not sure where the tech is today.

      Now as far as runaway acceleration. I am assuming this is caused by BOTH the air intake butterfly going wide open and increased amounts of fuel thru the injectors. Cannot have WOT w/o both.

      And Toyota has admitted the recent recall is a separate issue and not related to the unintended acceleration. The pedal just gets a little sticky but not stuck to the floor.

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      leftwingagenda188 days ago

      nothing in this thread has been more surprising than zingo’s comments explaining throttle types…lol…nice work…

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      rarson188 days ago

      Yeah, the throttle would have to be WOT and injectors be firing whatever they would normally be firing, but that could be caused by the throttle body itself getting stuck (the ECU probably still reads throttle position off the TB itself), or an error in the ECU causing it to tell the TB to go WOT.

      Or it really could be some mechanical problem between the pedal and the wire, but given the problems I’ve seen on other cars with electronic TBs, I’m betting the problem is in the TB itself.

      The thing is, idle control on many fuel injected cars have been controlled by stepper motors that regulate the precise amount of air to bypass the throttle for proper idle, and those things go bad all the time. Leaving throttle control up to an ECU-controlled stepper motor… just a bad idea in my opinion. Electronics are bound to go bad sooner or later.

      Speaking of bad electronics, Mitsubishi had a problem a while back with leaky capacitors in their ECUs. The caps would leak and make a mess and ruin the ECU. I was thinking Toyota’s problem could be similar, depending on the quality of parts that they’re putting in their ECUs.

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      85ZingoGTR188 days ago

      Hey. I gotta put up some helpful information sometimes. lol. Glad I can help. Dont we all put useless info anyways? ;-)

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      85ZingoGTR188 days ago

      saabaru1 – I dont have a teenage son or any kids for that matter. Im only 25 with a BE in mechanical engineering (not to be conceited or anything). I also have 6 months training with Caterpillar diesel generators which work with the same principle. As for the delay, yes. Drive by wire has a slight delay because the input goes to the ECU then to the throttle body. All the steps invlolved to accomplish a simple task adds a delay.

      carstuff – The runaway acceleration issue is most likely caused by a glitch in the computer. We all know computers arent perfect and can screw up at anytime. It can be a programming issue. But these throttle valves should be able to fail shut when the power supply to the solenoid fails. Therefore cutting off the engine instead of opening the throttle all the way. Yes these systems are more fuel efficient because the ECU has full control of engine management but it also results in more problems arising and safety concerns like this. If you read an article on wikipedia about drive-by-wire systems, which are also in planes, they state that there are concerns with cars just randomly accelerating out of nowhere. And this isn’t just drive-by-wire systems. Its alot of computer controlled devices nowadays.

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      beatusmongous188 days ago

      Well, we finally got this in our news today.

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      Timothy D. Naegele188 days ago

      What Toyota has been doing is criminal!

      See, e.g., http://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2010/01/04/toyota-and-lexus-vehicles-
      are-unsafe/

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      botafusion188 days ago

      oh, and this just in…….my 2000 Ford Contour SE VCT Zetec 2.0 auto (yeah I know, yawn) just got new spark plugs today and a fresh oil change (all did by myself of course). It likes itself so much that it still achieves 30+ mpg w/127K on the odometer, idles smooth as a stihl 2-stroke at wot, costs virtually nothing to own/operate, and gets around in the snow/ice as well or better than virtually any 4×4. Even more advantageous is that it has a cable that is connected to the foot feed and ran thru the firewall to actuate fuel-injectors WHEN I WANT IT TO! Thus, it doesn’t want to seem to hurl itself thru guardrails and over cliffs. rofl

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      castlewood187 days ago

      Bon Jovi’s song “Runaway” could become the centerpiece of Toyota’s new ad campaign.

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      eal2009187 days ago

      New slogan ” accelerating foward “

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      reedfast186 days ago

      How about crazy train – Ozzy

      “i’m goin’ off the rails on a crazy train!”

      All they have to do is change “train” to “rolling piece of sh!t”.

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  • steve333Very nice looking. However, looks don't equal driving experience. i think people are swooning over
  • rarson"It is slower then all of those cars, less equipped then most of them, and