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		<title>By: moogleii</title>
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		<dc:creator>moogleii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest problem though is that machines can replace people faster than people can acquire new skills to offset being replaced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest problem though is that machines can replace people faster than people can acquire new skills to offset being replaced.</p>
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		<title>By: Veda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>90Z:  It doesn&#039;t matter how much they make, if they are really that valuable and skilled then they should be able to find another job somewhere else or move up the chain.  The fact is most of them don&#039;t seem to have that capability, thus they get what they deserve and the fact of the matter is, there are plenty of them to fill the positions.  So why the complain?  I have no sympathy for those guys.  I had to work my ass off getting from 25K to 70K in 3 years when I was a &quot;slave&quot; during my &quot;training&quot; in US.  They just don&#039;t try hard enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>90Z:  It doesn&#8217;t matter how much they make, if they are really that valuable and skilled then they should be able to find another job somewhere else or move up the chain.  The fact is most of them don&#8217;t seem to have that capability, thus they get what they deserve and the fact of the matter is, there are plenty of them to fill the positions.  So why the complain?  I have no sympathy for those guys.  I had to work my ass off getting from 25K to 70K in 3 years when I was a &#8220;slave&#8221; during my &#8220;training&#8221; in US.  They just don&#8217;t try hard enough.</p>
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		<title>By: angelo</title>
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		<dc:creator>angelo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bring them to Indiana, we&#039;ve got GM, Ford, Toyota, another Toyota and now Honda... we&#039;re open for business!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bring them to Indiana, we&#8217;ve got GM, Ford, Toyota, another Toyota and now Honda&#8230; we&#8217;re open for business!</p>
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		<title>By: ironpony42</title>
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		<dc:creator>ironpony42</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unions help no one but themselves.  I&#039;d rather work for a non-union company at a lower wage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unions help no one but themselves.  I&#8217;d rather work for a non-union company at a lower wage.</p>
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		<title>By: 90Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>90Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Random Jerk: You missed the point of my post. I&#039;m merely pointing out that working in a Toyota plant is not any better than anywhere else. The wages are lower than the UAW, and for good reason (I agree the plant workers are overpaid). However, the wages are still not what would be considered a good salary in this day &amp; age. I really don&#039;t give a shit who they hire. The language/race issue has nothing to do with it. Blame Automotive News for the article if you think it&#039;s racist. BTW...I believe you made the assumption that I was referring to &quot;illegal aliens,&quot; not me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Random Jerk: You missed the point of my post. I&#8217;m merely pointing out that working in a Toyota plant is not any better than anywhere else. The wages are lower than the UAW, and for good reason (I agree the plant workers are overpaid). However, the wages are still not what would be considered a good salary in this day &amp; age. I really don&#8217;t give a shit who they hire. The language/race issue has nothing to do with it. Blame Automotive News for the article if you think it&#8217;s racist. BTW&#8230;I believe you made the assumption that I was referring to &#8220;illegal aliens,&#8221; not me.</p>
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		<title>By: Asher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Working on an assembly line making cars ain&#039;t much different than working on an assembly line making Big Macs, it&#039;s no suprise that the wages for both are nearing each other&quot;

---thats an interesting observation and seems accurate. Soon washing golf carts at the local country club will be a better employment option(w/the free golf of course) and may even require more &quot;skill.&quot;

BUT isn&#039;t it mostly due to technology and automation replacing manual labor?  It&#039;s an &quot;old world&quot; job in a &quot;new world&quot; economy where gas almost everywhere is self-service and where self-checkout lines are becoming the norm at supermarkets.  At my local grocery, there&#039;s now more Self-Scan Lanes than regular ones!  I figured out the trick for how they make it all work: they offer so few full-service lines that those few have such long lines that the self-check option becomes the better choice - ridiculous but it works ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Working on an assembly line making cars ain&#8217;t much different than working on an assembly line making Big Macs, it&#8217;s no suprise that the wages for both are nearing each other&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8212;thats an interesting observation and seems accurate. Soon washing golf carts at the local country club will be a better employment option(w/the free golf of course) and may even require more &#8220;skill.&#8221;</p>
<p>BUT isn&#8217;t it mostly due to technology and automation replacing manual labor?  It&#8217;s an &#8220;old world&#8221; job in a &#8220;new world&#8221; economy where gas almost everywhere is self-service and where self-checkout lines are becoming the norm at supermarkets.  At my local grocery, there&#8217;s now more Self-Scan Lanes than regular ones!  I figured out the trick for how they make it all work: they offer so few full-service lines that those few have such long lines that the self-check option becomes the better choice &#8211; ridiculous but it works <img src='http://www.leftlanenews.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: 90Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>90Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Veda: Here&#039;s an article from this week&#039;s Automotive News...does $10-14.50/hour sound like a good way to pay for your family considering the price of gas, homes, etc. in the US? This salary is not going to get you very far, and being a temporary worker probably means no benefits as well. 

Toyota seeks Hispanic hires in Kentucky.

David Barkholz  &#124;   &#124;  Automotive News / October 30, 2006 


Toyota Motor Manufacturing is  hiring Spanish-speaking workers and teaching them English to tap into a  growing labor pool of Hispanics living near its assembly plant in Georgetown, Ky.

Toyota last  month brought in the third group of trainees under the program, which began  in July 2005.

 About 20 trainees are studying English as a second language while learning  production jobs and the Toyota Production System, said Toyota spokesman Rick Hesterberg. They earn  a starting wage of $10 an hour.

Toyota is diversifying its work force to  recognize ethnic minorities as a growing piece of the car-buying market in North America, Hesterberg said.

 The trainees will spend about 75 percent of their time in the classroom over  the six-month program.

 The trainees can earn a raise to $13 an hour, then $14.50, as temporaries.  The goal is to hire the trainees eventually as full-time Toyota employees.

 The Georgetown  plant employs 7,000 permanent workers and hundreds of temporaries, Hesterberg  said. The plant makes the Camry, Camry Solara and Avalon.

 During the first program, 18 of the 20 trainees graduated to production jobs  at Toyota.  Hesterberg said Toyota  learned that it was easier to run the classes with people who started with  the same proficiency in English.

 The second class took mostly people with some English skills, while the third  features temporaries with minimal English.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Veda: Here&#8217;s an article from this week&#8217;s Automotive News&#8230;does $10-14.50/hour sound like a good way to pay for your family considering the price of gas, homes, etc. in the US? This salary is not going to get you very far, and being a temporary worker probably means no benefits as well. </p>
<p>Toyota seeks Hispanic hires in Kentucky.</p>
<p>David Barkholz  |   |  Automotive News / October 30, 2006 </p>
<p>Toyota Motor Manufacturing is  hiring Spanish-speaking workers and teaching them English to tap into a  growing labor pool of Hispanics living near its assembly plant in Georgetown, Ky.</p>
<p>Toyota last  month brought in the third group of trainees under the program, which began  in July 2005.</p>
<p> About 20 trainees are studying English as a second language while learning  production jobs and the Toyota Production System, said Toyota spokesman Rick Hesterberg. They earn  a starting wage of $10 an hour.</p>
<p>Toyota is diversifying its work force to  recognize ethnic minorities as a growing piece of the car-buying market in North America, Hesterberg said.</p>
<p> The trainees will spend about 75 percent of their time in the classroom over  the six-month program.</p>
<p> The trainees can earn a raise to $13 an hour, then $14.50, as temporaries.  The goal is to hire the trainees eventually as full-time Toyota employees.</p>
<p> The Georgetown  plant employs 7,000 permanent workers and hundreds of temporaries, Hesterberg  said. The plant makes the Camry, Camry Solara and Avalon.</p>
<p> During the first program, 18 of the 20 trainees graduated to production jobs  at Toyota.  Hesterberg said Toyota  learned that it was easier to run the classes with people who started with  the same proficiency in English.</p>
<p> The second class took mostly people with some English skills, while the third  features temporaries with minimal English.</p>
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		<title>By: Asher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not let Toyota just buy out some of GM and Ford&#039;s plants and get the workers right along with it!  At least Toyota&#039;s profitable business models could potentially the support the worker&#039;s wages and benefits.  And then, maybe we could just re-name America &quot;Japan&quot; to properly reflect the US Automakers downfall...just a sarcastic post so dont freak out, thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not let Toyota just buy out some of GM and Ford&#8217;s plants and get the workers right along with it!  At least Toyota&#8217;s profitable business models could potentially the support the worker&#8217;s wages and benefits.  And then, maybe we could just re-name America &#8220;Japan&#8221; to properly reflect the US Automakers downfall&#8230;just a sarcastic post so dont freak out, thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: GL1</title>
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		<dc:creator>GL1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Detroit would be a very good location for these plants but I don&#039;t see the UAW cooporating on ANY of this. Which is a LOT of the problem FORD and CHEVY and CHRYSler currently has with competeing with the Japanese to start with.. its the UAW...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Detroit would be a very good location for these plants but I don&#8217;t see the UAW cooporating on ANY of this. Which is a LOT of the problem FORD and CHEVY and CHRYSler currently has with competeing with the Japanese to start with.. its the UAW&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: BrokenCadillac...</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrokenCadillac...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a good thing. Those folks at the closing domestic plants will have a place to work. They&#039;ll also have the security of knowing they are working for a company that is on the &quot;up and up&quot; rather than the roller coaster ride they are currently on (Will my plant be the next to be axed!?!?!?!?) 

Sure Toyota does not have as many plants as say, GM. That &#039;ll take some time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a good thing. Those folks at the closing domestic plants will have a place to work. They&#8217;ll also have the security of knowing they are working for a company that is on the &#8220;up and up&#8221; rather than the roller coaster ride they are currently on (Will my plant be the next to be axed!?!?!?!?) </p>
<p>Sure Toyota does not have as many plants as say, GM. That &#8216;ll take some time.</p>
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		<title>By: 90Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>90Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@davidg1977: Nice plan, but I doubt it&#039;ll happen. Read why in the following article:

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061027/AUTO02/610270353/-1/ARCHIVE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@davidg1977: Nice plan, but I doubt it&#8217;ll happen. Read why in the following article:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061027/AUTO02/610270353/-1/ARCHIVE" rel="nofollow">http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061027/AUTO02/610270353/-1/ARCHIVE</a></p>
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		<title>By: davidg1977</title>
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		<dc:creator>davidg1977</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a spot for a major coup.  

Will the Gov of Michigan (Granholm or DeVos it doesn&#039;t matter) be able to convince the UAW not to fight for inclusion and provide the proper tax incentives to get one of these plants built in Michigan?  The employee skill level is there, the want for work is there, and no relos would be required.  I just hope the Japanese wouldn&#039;t be too scared off by the UAW... And if the UAW is out for the good of the worker and not the good of the executive board and the local leadership councils, they&#039;d be sprinting to Japan today to push for one of these facilities.

If I was Wagoner, LaSorda or Mullaly, I&#039;d be begging for these guys to come into town.  It would provide benchmark for a union-centric state to have an automotive manufacturing plant in the state that in non-union and help push their own factories away from the mothership and also get the workers that Ford and GM have furloughed/laid off (the bought out guys are off the books as of 2009) off of their payrolls and onto someone elses.

This will also better define market prices for labor in the state.

If either Granholm or DeVos could pull this off, they&#039;d be the Governor for as long as they wanted to be...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a spot for a major coup.  </p>
<p>Will the Gov of Michigan (Granholm or DeVos it doesn&#8217;t matter) be able to convince the UAW not to fight for inclusion and provide the proper tax incentives to get one of these plants built in Michigan?  The employee skill level is there, the want for work is there, and no relos would be required.  I just hope the Japanese wouldn&#8217;t be too scared off by the UAW&#8230; And if the UAW is out for the good of the worker and not the good of the executive board and the local leadership councils, they&#8217;d be sprinting to Japan today to push for one of these facilities.</p>
<p>If I was Wagoner, LaSorda or Mullaly, I&#8217;d be begging for these guys to come into town.  It would provide benchmark for a union-centric state to have an automotive manufacturing plant in the state that in non-union and help push their own factories away from the mothership and also get the workers that Ford and GM have furloughed/laid off (the bought out guys are off the books as of 2009) off of their payrolls and onto someone elses.</p>
<p>This will also better define market prices for labor in the state.</p>
<p>If either Granholm or DeVos could pull this off, they&#8217;d be the Governor for as long as they wanted to be&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Veda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re gonna complain about the japs not providing any jobs to American workers?  Oh I forgot we got union heads here...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re gonna complain about the japs not providing any jobs to American workers?  Oh I forgot we got union heads here&#8230;</p>
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