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WAAAAH!
Tundra whupped my ass again!
WAAAAAH!

Ford and Chevy to the back of the pack
Tundra will tow you home
LOL!
DrFill

think it says, LLn.

CADDY-V: “Hey 111 guy
Is a move like

carstuff: “I still would like to know why Toyota is bombing out. Is there any real reason?”
I might say it’s because you can get a better car for less, but that’s been the case for years. Sales are down for everybody, but it

looks like those few who are buying are looking for value.

JakeK66: ” … That means the Malibu will only be 5 grand less instead of the usual 6 grand.” exactly.

“Buy a Honda and keep you’re pride and residual value intact.” Yeah, a honda motorcycle. Not sure what the theoretical resale value

is on those, but who cares. I bought a Kawasaki, but the Honda is a strong product.

Nesodian: “Whenever I see someone driving a Toyota, I just assume they too are dull and boring.” Not to mention easily fooled.

Especially those buyers of faux-luxury toyotas.

johnnycanuck: WTF happened in Beantown?

tripleonefive: ““Is a move like this going to hurt the resale value of there cars?” No.”
What?

“‘still would like to know why Toyota is bombing out. Is there any real reason?’ Well its basically people with anti Japanese

sentiment like Caddy V who are mad at Toyota for kicking D3 in the ass with reliabibility and quality for the last 20 plus years and

counting.”

Uh, no. Those people were never buying toyotas. The qustion should be, why are people abandoning toyotas?” I know why I

abandoned toyota.

If Ford and GM are giving PsofS away, their doing so at the used lots.

” The only company taking sales from Toyota or Honda may be Hyundai.” You read this article?

CADDY-V: “Go take a look at motortrend.com and look at the review they did today on the CTS-V and M5 battle and then tell me

that GM makes pos cars.” It’s a waste of time. Anybody who believes GM’s making crap is ignoring reality. No matter how much

evidence you stack up, you’re not going to change their minds. If a CTS gets to 400,000 miles, that’s proof that GM can’t even make

an odometer right.

orangecones: “Why are all their other cars (few exceptions aside) pure rubbish?” Why are the Pittsburg Steelers such a crappy

team/

“Also lets remember customer memory is long. After 20 odd years of worthless rustbuckets, it will take time for people to once

again equate GM with a quality product.” Well, here, you’re talkin’ sense.

DrFill, Blue 1996, sj79: nobody who does real work will use a toyota truck.

“All manufacturers have recalls. Turning the attention to a GM recall does nothing to explain why Toyota is turning to record

incentives even though fanboys have claimed for years that doing so hurts resale value.” That’s pure sense.

orangecones: “sales figures don’t equal ‘customers associating it with quality.’ You’re right. Think about that.
“For instance, for one reason or another rural America prefers GM or Ford products for one reason or another, maybe they are more

patriotic, or because their daddy had one (childhood memories can be strong triggers to do things in adulthood), because they have

less disposable income …” Any of these reasons, plus the quality, especially with trucks.

“GM and Ford cars are generally a bit cheaper.” no, they generally cost less.

Impulsive: “When will this company produce something DESIRABLE?” When you move to japan. Their JDM products generally don’t suck.

DrFill: What were they driving at the San Antonio construction site? Hint. Not what they would build there.

sj79: How do you figure the Tundra had the better powertrain?

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CADDY-V: the CTS-V is just as good as anyone else’s luxury sport sedan.

You for once our right it is a GM, and it will kill any j3 “luxury” car you put up against it.
As for the rear end thing that was in the vert first CTS-V. witch didn’t have that many cases, and was over 5 years ago. Probable as many people that had the CTS-V problem as people that had there transmmisions blow up on them on the new gt-r.

Now tell me did you even read the article and see the new 09 CTS-V smoke the new 09 M5? If you didn’t it happened. You can’t keep lying to yourself the CTS-V is a beast.

You sound like a middle schooler. The Tundra didnt have MORE features. They chose to focus on the features it had that the Silverado lacked but didnt consider Silverado features not found on the Tundra. Typical inconsistency from IL. The Silverado beat the Tundra in EVERY category except one and has a better interior and is more fuel efficient in spite of having class leading hp. A truck like that does not belong in 3rd place. The main reason the Tundra won before was because it had the better powertrain. This time the Chevy had the better powertrain. Your excuses are lame as was IL’s justification of the Toyota’s placement. C&D didnt even bother including the Tundra in their last comparison because its a nonfactor in the segment. Beast from the East? Are you serious? Have you seen the sales results?

If soft ride and nice interior were all that mattered, the last Tundra would’ve won every test
Tundra is The Beast from The Far East (by way of San Antonio)
Deal with it!

BTW, they put the Malibu over the Camry in a recent comaprison, so save the drama for your Momma!
They do better comparisons than C&D, MT and R&T combined
DrFill

Thats have fun when it breaks down !

Everything it makes, I have ZERO interest in. And no incentive will change that.

Please show me where I have EVER praised JD Powers or Consumer Reports You obviously dont read my posts

That said, my original point of buying =/= believing something is good quality. Buying means (in most cases) you get the most perceived value out of the product. In my household, we have a Nissan (Rogue which replaced an Altima), and we have a Daewoo (which replaced a Corolla). We knew Daewoo was dead as a company (bought it in 03, last year of production was 02), and that quality would be marginal at best, but at the time we just needed a new cheap car to be a daily driver (car is still alive with 78k mi)….that was our value. As for the Rogue, we got it for 2 reasons: because we like how Nissans perform on the road, that sporty feel….and because we really liked the design….from the Altima experience we knew Nissan quality is only marginally “above average” (we ditched the Altima @ 93k mi due to developing tranny problems)…. so many people are buying GMs maybe because it gives them reasonable transportation at relatively low coin, or because of some other characteristic of the car that isn’t quality (say driving feel…. i for one disliked every single GM car i ever drove….including the new Malibu).

Just checked out that comparison and its what you expect from IL. Dumping on domestics and shilling for mediocre Toyota products. The Silverado beat the Tundra in every single category and finished 3rd. They made no mention of the Toyota’s dime store interior and chastised the Silverado for lacking an ipod integration feature even though the Tundra lacks one as well. Only at IL can a Toyota product get beat in every way but get 2nd place because it has a backup camera and towing mirrors. I would love for IL to explain how the Silverado got demerits for its interior when the Toyota did not. Crazy.

The new Prius isnt hardly enough to stop the sales slide. Please join us in reality. Lexus sales have been declining since early 2008 so this is not a recent trend. Toyota has been doing worse than Nissan and Honda for many months now so something is going on here. I would think it has to do with their stale lineup and lack of incentives. The only think that will get the Prius to 15k units a month is $4/gallon gas which doesnt appear to be on the horizon. Do you really think people are going to be storming Toyota dealerships for a car that gets 2mpg better mileage than the current one? I dont.

Orangecones:

The cars that were recalled have been out of production for a while, that is hardly recent product and thaqt latest recall only helps GM keep pace with Toyotas recalls. All manufacturers have recalls. Turning the attention to a GM recall does nothing to explain why Toyota is turning to record incentives even though fanboys have claimed for years that doing so hurts resale value.

As for GM and quality, the fact that they continue to outsell Toyota and outperformed them last month shows that some people think GM makes a quality product. In fact, more Americans buy GM than Toyota every month. Thats the way its been since Toyota entered the US marker 50 years ago.

Shaver:

You are correct. This story attempts to make excuses for Toyota and the coverage of the incentives is very different than it would’ve been if this was a domestic company. Toyota isnt portrayed as desperate, just savvy. Also, no explanation is given for why Toyota is increasing production when sales are down 42%. That makes no sense. An increase in incentives will help somewhat but EVERYONE is discounting and Toyota has no plan lke Hyundai or Ford or GM to ease customer fears of losing a job. They think they are too good to compete on that level and they will pay the price.

At 16%+ market share, Toyota is hardly falling on it’s face, but a bridge to the 2010 Prius, and the 2010 model year, should stablize the sales slide, and net a small market share gain by year’s end

Prius sales are definitely down, as the market awaits the 2010 model. Gas prices have hurt, but the new model will get 15k units a month by the fall.

Anyone see the Inside Line full-size truck comparison?
DrFill

Translation, they just got out sold by not just GM, but Ford for the 1st time in 1-2 years. So they are doing what GM and Ford used to always do. Push forward with unprecedented incentives. Things are really bad Toyota is going to start pushing and giving incentives on some of its low profit units too least drive its numbers up for the board and shareholders.

Happy happy joy joy.

As for the rest of the stuff you said I’ll also let someone else handle that. I know there will be a few guy’s that will have something to say about your oneside comments.

“still would like to know why Toyota is bombing out. Is there any real reason?” Well its basically people with anti Japanese sentiment like Caddy V who are mad at Toyota for kicking D3 in the ass with reliabibility and quality for the last 20 plus years and counting. They really should be upset at D3 for making POS after POS and selling patriotism instead of a quality car

Toyota’s probably bombing out because of the crazy incentives on American cars lately. Did you see Ford and Chevy sales this month?
Good point they are practically GIVING these POS’s away They sell to people who already have an american pile though. The only company taking sales from Toyota or Honda may be Hyundai

And yes, 0% financing and bigger rebates means the resale of those said toyotas will also be taking a hit. Always does. Great for the buyer, bad for the seller.

How’s the Kool-aid, Kaizen?

Toyota, like Hyundai-Kia, is into the rental car business more than ever, go look at a local rental car branch and see what models are on the lots, you’ll see alot of Highlanders/Rav4s/Corollas/Camrys now meaning that it’s going to be killing their usually high trade-in values in the very near future.

Buy a Honda and keep you’re pride and residual value intact.

Is a move like this going to hurt the resale value of there cars?