warranty enhancement does sound much better than a recall.

on the other hand, if the majority of these cars already past their warranty period one does have to wonder where the line is being placed between “recall” and just normal wear-and-tear. I know they said it was a bad spot weld, but does that mean that they performed it improperly or that it just wasn’t that well planned out?

Here come the ****storm of comments. Toyota sucks, GM/Domestics rule, vice versa…yada yada yada. Just thought I’d get mine in early.
They’re just trying to do some sort of damage control by volunteering to fix possible defects before everyone screams recall. Noble effort, but I doubt it will make much difference.

WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO CALL IT A RECALL (ALTHOUGH IT IS) THAT WOULD MEAN 2 MILLION CARS CARS WOULNDT IT 1115

sorry jamacian dude i had to scream recall ofter your post. heheheheheh

That’s alright CTS… I wonder if 1115 heard you though…

i havnt seen him in a couple days. at least they identified a problem and voluntarily fixed it.

I haven’t seen him for a while either… since the last argument about the recalls =D

Jamaicandude… They do totally suck!…
Just kidding, but there’s no reason to argue. It’s a recall none the less.

Toyotas starting to play a little shady now I see. And LLN, all recalls, unless forced upon by a government, are voluntary. Don’t go soft on Toyota, just say they recalled 600,000 Sienna minivans and leave us to argue.

Not a major defect, but I’m curious if it’s ONLY the door hinges that fail.

1115 hasn’t been around because he’s been at the garage trying to get his 1995 Accrud working right.

But this would mean Toyotas aren’t pefect?

The end of the world is nigh……………….but watch how the MSM :ignores” this recall. God forbid Ford or GM recall five-hundred cars!

Hahaha…hahaha…HAHAHA!!! 470,000+ vehicles just a few days ago, now this time it’s 600,000?!? Sweeeeet! Told y’all Toy Ota can’t produce a decent car even if they tried. Who’s right now, huh?

Well of course they are not calling it a recall. I was actually first to report on this [lol] in the other thread about the Mazda 6 and like I said there, they are simply trying to keep their recall numbers down.

LLN getting a spell check isn’t going to fix the affect/effect error. What they need is a few proofreaders, and it seems like plenty on here will be happy to do that job.

That gonna hurt. I know plenty of friends who drive this van.

WHOCARES Lexus is joining DTM Awww yeah!!!

Man Toyota needs to recalibrate their robots.

Damn: I just finished driving minivans, and was going to revise my rankings to put Sienna #2.

R-head: funny ****!

Minivan rankings as of 24/10/07

1) Chrysler Twins
2) Oddessy
3) Sedona/Entourage
4 R-Class
5 Uplander
6 Quest
7 Sienna

to quote peter north
WHERE”S THE FLUFFER?

Nope Lets see Gm voluntarily fix any product. Its not a recall says the article and GM still is in the lead with 2 MILLION recalls as well as 804 recalls of their 2002-2004 Trucks for brake problems

Sorry Armando Head unlike you hanging out in front of the Home Depot I have a job buddy. No I dont have a 95 Honda Accord but the one my parents own has been in the shop ONCE for repairs which is better than any new or used Domestic car especially any GM

Keep trying Lets see How many Uplanders Terazza’s Relay Montans’s did GM sell ….ummm
Thank you settle down kids

Great, soul-less and now unreliable. Every Toyota since the last Supra and turbo MR2 has felt like chasing novacaine with vicodin. At least most GM vehicles are crude fun before they fall apart on you.

1115: speaking of your “job,” what does the North Pole taste like?

Hahaha if Toyota makes a vehicles like the Hyundai Excel that COMPLETELY falls apart, 1115 will still not admit their lack of quality. That is his problem, but let me address his BS really quick.

GM will fix anything voluntarily, but before they can ‘fix it’ there has to be something wrong with it. And unlike Toy, GM’s products are becoming of better quality whereas Toy’s are losing their quality. By the way, are you suggesting that Toy asked customers to fix these vans voluntarily? Read this more detailed article and you will find out that it took years of customer complaints until Toy finally fixed these 2 year old minivans: http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=678203

GM is in the lead in what? The 2002 recall list? Well then I guess I won’t be buying my 08 CTS because GM recalled the most cars (trucks actually) 5 years ago [sarcasm]. Instead, I will buy a new Lexus GS because Toyota was not #1 on the 2002 recall list (and who cars that the GS was rated as unreliable by EVERYONE including CR of all things and that Toyota is now in the lead in recalls for 2007 [more sarcasm]).

Your parents drive an Accord? So you are a kid! I knew it!

Lastly, get you head out of the your ass (and out of the past) and leave the Terazza/Relay and so on out of this since they are no longer produced or sold. Also, there is no need for racial jokes (the Home Depot thing).

its a ****ing recall!

****ty toyota quality – same ole’, same ole’.

Actually 1115, GM has voluntarily expanded the warranty on certain Yukons with problems with the Dash cluster, so there! This was not a recall, it was an identification of a customer concern and they are taking care of it.

Check mate!

Some of you guys are idiots. I’m not even convinced you guys know what a recall is. It’s not a recall. If you have a recall on a part, it’s replaced no matter if it has failed or not. A warranty enhancement extends coverage for a period of time for a certain failure.

Toyota realized that a high percentage of the cars worked fine but they received enough complaints with customers near/outside of their warranty to man-up and cover any defect for a significant life of the vehicle. This is the same with the 4cyl/6cyl oil sludge cases (those small few who actually had engines fail FOR THE MAJORITY were due to not changing oil on time, or past neglect by a previous owner).

So just like Injunraiv said about GM Yukons, car companies have KNOWN product concerns. It is not a recall.

OR……………Toyota is trying to keep ANOTHER 600,000 vehicles off of its recall tally for this year Kaizen. They realize that it wouldn’t be good to surpass VW and become #1 in recalls. However, this IS a recall.

There is a problem that affects multiple vehicles
The problem is not the fault of the consumer, but Toy’s fault.
Customers complained about the problem and had to pay money to fix it.
Toyota sends out letters to the owners of the affected cars to inform them of the problem.
Toyota offers to fix the problem if the consumer brings their vehicle to the dealership.

I don’t know..but it sounds like a recall to me. There is nothing that makes this NOT a recall. So far, Toyota has about 3/4 of a million cars recalled this year and 4.1 million cars “non-recalled” that are just on their Oops! list. They are pretty clever though – I’ll give them that.

Toyota is not fixing every car. They probably will fix less than 1% of the vehicles potentially affected. Just because a car company tells customers about a problem doesn’t automatically mean its a recall. Recalls fix every car no matter if there is a problem or not. It is NOT a recall.

Recalls are for safety related concerns like fuel leaks, defective seat belts, not for commonly known annoyances that occur outside of warranty. If the government receives enough complaints about this concern AND decides it’s a safety related item, then they will make Toyota issue a recall. To this point, they haven’t. If the customer doesn’t have a problem with their lift gate, the dealership has nothing to do. What’s so complex about this concept that you understand?

And of course Toyota would like to keep their recall count low but like any car company, they would rather try to take care of the customer AND keep potential costs low. Toyota, like everyone else, isn’t perfect. Cars are still built and designed by humans.

the real fact of the situation here is that everyone compares toyota’s recalls to gm’s APPARENTLY sudden great range of new products.
the fact is GM need’s to carry out a much larger recall that being 90% of it’s current car’s,product’s that are CRIME’S against manfacturing, AND BURN THE LOT.
TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THE RANGE,AND TELL ME OTHERWISE

Yea, we got the same idiots on both sides trying to convince each other why GM or Toyota is better at handling “mechanical issues”. Who gives a **** about whether it’s a recall or not, every manufacturer has issues whether they are obvious design flaws or not. Stop wasting your time explaining why the company you hate sucked so much. JUST BUY WHAT YOU WANT DAMMIT!!!

This is better than watching FoxNews!

this is what we do for fun DAMMIT!

First off this isn’t a recall. GM recalled 02-06 vehicles. Gm just took so long to recall the trucks from 02-04. When has Gm ever extended a warranty on the crap they sold (you admitted)? Toyota is working on this problem so they don’t get to the point of GM unreliability and loss of consumer trust. I love how you don’t trust CR until they post something negative about Toyota. Like I have said before it will take YEARS of these problems for Toyota to stoop to the low quality level of GM. On top of that the Gm vehicles out now have to stand the test of time which GM is not known for.
Hey Jackass your precious Lambda’s were recalled for safety issues but its funny how LLN won’t post a story on that.

GM doesn’t sell minivans anymore BC they were HORRIBLE! Build quality safety and reliability not to mention looks. I know you want to forget about them but they are recent vehicles that show GMs track record of poorly made vehicles.

This is once again a minor problem that seems to be blown into a major one. The door closes unexpectedly wow that’s a HUGE problem!

I don’t know how me saying “parents” means that I’m a kid? There are plenty of adults with living parents’ dumb ass. They have enough sense not to drive a Buick lol

The Home Depot joke is not a racial thing BC I see multiple races outside of Home Depot. That situation is more of a class thing.

Injuries, who cares? I’m talking about major brake problems. I expect Gm vehicles to have a problem, that’s why I don’t buy them. I’m sure you have been waiting to use “checkmate” but you used to prematurely. I’m sure you are accustomed to that though

Gm and Toyota are both the Microsoft of the car world.
So go reboot your cars before they blue scrn “o”death on you. Drive an Apple, as in cool cars with soul that work well, Porsche, BMW, Mazda, Nissan to name a few. Models like Corvette and MRII have soul. But they are a minority or deceased. It is sad that articles like this lame one about a f…ing minivan gets more reaction then one about the TT RS. I thought this was an car enthusiast forum, not a nationalist or bean counter forum!

but the TT is a hairdressers car

Toyota needs to really get a hold of their quality issues soon. Toyota products are mainly purchased due to Toyota’s reputation for quality and reliability. They are certainly not passion purchases. If Toyota loses this, what else do they have to make them stand out in the market?

While some people find this amusing for Toyota, I find it sad for the poor consumers who put their faith in Toyota to offer them a quality product. Most of Toyota’s customers purchased their products because they needed a vehicle they could depend on to be reliable and durable. These customers are hard working people who don’t just purchase vehicles on whimsy or for recreational or hobby purposes. I have had the same thing happen in the past with a different car corporation and it is very frustrating and stressful. I don’t wish for anyone to go through the same situation.

That reminds me .. when I get home I need to mow the weeds. It’s in my genes (per 1115, the racist hondaphile and toyotapologist).

1115 – READ:

“There is a problem that affects multiple vehicles
The problem is not the fault of the consumer, but Toy’s fault.
Customers complained about the problem and had to pay money to fix it.
Toyota sends out letters to the owners of the affected cars to inform them of the problem.
Toyota offers to fix the problem if the consumer brings their vehicle to the dealership.

I don’t know..but it sounds like a recall to me. There is nothing that makes this NOT a recall. So far, Toyota has about 3/4 of a million cars recalled this year and 4.1 million cars “non-recalled” that are just on their Oops! list. They are pretty clever though – I’ll give them that.”

Commodore:”if Toyota makes a vehicles like the Hyundai Excel that COMPLETELY falls apart, 1115 will still not admit their lack of quality. ”

AND

“GM will fix anything voluntarily, but before they can ‘fix it’ there has to be something wrong with it. And unlike Toy, GM’s products are becoming of better quality.”

two astute observations.

lucklaster: “****ty toyota quality”
I hereby accuse you of redundancy!

“Toyota is not calling it a recall,” the article says. That doesn’t mean it’s not a recall.

cardesigner5: You are a crime against the English language.

Fluffer: GM doesn’t sell minivans anymore because people like myself are going to crossovers. And because there are several better choices than the A-Body.
Build quality? See how many 0ld Dustbusters are still on the road compared to axxes and Toyote Previa/XE vans (jdm Town Ace).

“They have enough sense not to drive a Buick lol.”
No, they didn’t have enough sense not to reproduce.

ricardo i think he is smoking the weeds you cut.

JJt I accuse you of taking an easy joke. It was actually funny this time too Im quite impressed Unfortunately GM vehicles aren’t impressive. The Previa wasn’t the best minivan but its a Toyota which means its better than GM
Commodore your post is still lame no matter how many times you post it?

CTS – I’m smoking the weeds I cut … at least those that I don’t sell (out behind Home Depot).

No, 1115, the previa wasn’t a great van, but it was a good idea. The execution was just poor, and people weren’t ready for it.

Figure out your apostrophe’s and comma’s if you want to fool people into thinking you have an iota of intelligence.

Sorry 1115, you’re on the losing side this time. YOU said GM won’t take care of known problems, I told you of one instance where they did. By definition, you’re wrong.

You can try to change the point all you want, you’re still wrong. And if that assumption is wrong, you’d have to admit that some of your other assumptions might be incorrect as well. You won’t do that, therefore you are unreasonable and not worth the argument.

You want to play on, but checkmate has been called. Game over.

jackjimturkey – i don’t care this ain’t a ****in
spell-a-tonn. i can spell i jus choose to write tis way is much quickr

Ok lets see you mentioned one instance when they did fix a problem Did you cite the article ? No you just wrote something about Yukons Thats not poving anything and this is not a game so your cliche “Game over” phrase doesnt apply
You cant deem anyone unreasonable becasue you are a nobody
Toyota is fixing this minor problem and Gm wouldnt. If you want to say something of worth then cite an article when GM admitted to a problem and fixed until thn you are just someone in a thread trying to sound as if you have something of importance to say

cd5: not writing at all would be even “quickr,” and smarter.

Gawd, you’re a dumass. Just shut up, you’re done. I’m not citing an article, I’m telling you about a situation that exists and is being covered. You don’t get that I have proof? You’re a frigging moron.

Subject: Special Coverage Adjustment – Instrument Panel Cluster Gauge Needle Function #07187 – (09/28/2007)

Models: 2003-2004 CADILLAC ESCALADE, ESCALADE ESV, ESCALADE EXT

2003-2004 CHEVROLET AVALANCHE, SILVERADO, SUBURBAN, TAHOE

2003-2004 GMC SIERRA, YUKON, YUKON XL

——————————————————————————–

DUE TO PART AVAILABILITY, THIS SPECIAL COVERAGE IS BEING ADMINISTERED IN PHASES. YOU WILL BE NOTIFIED AS EACH ADDITIONAL PHASE IS RELEASED.

CUSTOMERS ARE BEING INSTRUCTED TO CONTACT THE DEALERSHIP TO ARRANGE AN APPOINTMENT IF THEY BELIEVE THEIR VEHICLE HAS THIS CONDITION. THE CUSTOMER IS BEING ASKED TO PROVIDE THE VIN SO THE IPC CAN BE ORDERED IN ADVANCE OF THE SCHEDULED APPOINTMENT. THIS WILL ELIMINATE THE NEED TO KEEP THE VEHICLE OVERNIGHT. DEALERS ARE TO OBTAIN THE VEHICLE MILEAGE WHEN SCHEDULING A SERVICE APPOINTMENT. THE VEHICLE MILEAGE WILL BE REQUIRED WHEN PLACING AN ORDER FOR THE IPC.

Condition
Some customers of 2003-2004 model year Cadillac Escalade, Escalade ESV, and Escalade EXT; Chevrolet Avalanche, Silverado, Suburban, and Tahoe; and GMC Sierra, Yukon, and Yukon XL vehicles have reported that one or more of the instrument panel (IP) cluster gauges stick, flutter, or become inoperative. This may cause inaccurate readings, including the speedometer and fuel gauge.

Special Coverage Adjustment
This special coverage covers the condition described above for a period of 7 years or 70,000 miles (110,000 km), whichever occurs first, from the date the vehicle was originally placed in service, regardless of ownership.

Dealers are to replace the instrument panel cluster after the condition has been verified. The repairs will be made at no charge to the customer. Returned IP clusters will be inspected upon return and replacement of IP clusters that do not exhibit the condition will not be covered.

For vehicles covered by Vehicle Service Contracts, all eligible claims with repair orders on or after September 28, 2007 are covered by this special coverage and must be submitted using the labor operation codes provided with this bulletin. Claims with repair orders prior to September 28, 2007, must be submitted to the Service Contract provider.

Vehicles Involved
Involved are all 2003-2004 model year Cadillac Escalade, Escalade ESV, and Escalade EXT; Chevrolet Avalanche, Silverado, Suburban, and Tahoe; and GMC Sierra, Yukon, and Yukon XL vehicles built within the following VIN breakpoints:

The link you moron ! Send the link

Oh yea, I just made all that up. Friggin idiot…

Of course this won’t make the mainstream media, either. If GM had 2 critical welds go bad on 600,000 vehicles, it would probably have to go in front of Congress to explain…

FourthGen and golf4me are 100% right. GM recalls hit the front page of the Times, for Toyota recalls you have to search internet blogs. The anti-domestic media continues to spin, spin, spin.

I don’t know why toyota gets the praise for being the best Japanese producer, I think Honda vehicles looks and drive better. Current Toyotas are UGLY and sometimes handle crapy. Drive a Yaris it’s a death trap.
Prius UGLY, SUVs UGLY, Tundra UGLY. Where is the media. They would be jumping all over the domestics

Toyota’s new slogan,

“Hopefully the third time’s a charm”

does this re-recall count for this year? it would be bloody murder if ANY OTHER MANUFACTURER AT ALL other than toyota had 600,000 recalls in the first 23 days of the year. only toyota has a brain dead fan base that will make excuses for a re-recall.
i agree with gizmo2, honda has some pretty dang good quality and always have, but toyota has always been fairly crappy but sheep love them for some reason.

correction on honda, the fit had a recall of 34000 units, but i dont even consider that as a bad thing for some strange reason. hey lln where was that article? or did honda pay you not to post it?

more than likely 1115 paid LLN not to post the Fit recall article by taking out a sub-prime loan on his 1995 Accord that he’s so proud of.

Let’s face it the industry is behind Toyota on public relations. “Warranty Enhancement” is a positive action that completely covers up a negative situation. Why call something a “recall” when you can build brand equity just by calling it a “warranty enhancement”! Average joe forgets they are getting a warranty enhancement because the friggin doors are falling off! Kudos to Toyota for having the best spin doctors! I’ll point out that a warranty enhancement is better than a recall because it actually extends the warranty and adds value to the resale of a car so I’m sure those Sienna owners are not going to fret about buying another one when the time comes.

The articles coming CTS. LLN is too busy interviewing for a poofreader right now.

Recall time…woohoo! Toy Ota truly does fail spectacularly at making anything resembling a good working vehicle.

Corporate pigs, all of them from Ferrari to Toyota to GM. Keep saving face, the sheep(you know who you are) will keep lapping it up.
Does anyone have any integrity anymore? Is it just me or does integrity go out the window when someone gains a position of power?

Calling a recall a “warranty enhancement” is like calling a retard “mentally handicapable” which really is apropos because you gotta be a fukkin retard to buy a Toyota.

Haha… cough… RECALL!!!!
I wonder if Toyota will recall as many vehicles as it sells?

Hmmm, we haven’t heard from you know who lately…

or calling a drug dealer an unlicensed pharmacist.

HOw many vehicles did Toyota recall last year? More than all of the Big Three combined (yes that includes dodge). On pace to get the record again this year I see….

You know what would really suck?

Toyota extending these warranties as they have, since they’re only expecting these minor problems and then a major problem comes up and…..

lmao @ johnny. If that’s not what they’re doing then they need to do it soon. It’s “proofreader”, by the way.

Easy bitches, untwist your panties and relax. It’s a recall, no big deal. Everyone recalls. EVERYONE. Part of automotive life.

One of those salvage yard shredders would do the trick. Drop in a Sienna, poof, no more recalls on that one…..next!

Deanster, it’s not a recall, it’s a “wwwwwwarrrrranty enhancement”…..
… and nobody else does them. NOBODY.

Hey, J-Chronic
I think you need a Poofreader!
DrFill

Recall or not its still better than a Terazza or anything fromn the domestics
You mention me and I appear

Eureka! This finally proves my hypothesis!!! Toyota is anti-family.

Hey jdasch1 did that happen in the 80’s?

SS4LIFE i think he might be talking about the lexus sludge issue mabey? but even that doesnt have much to research on the internet.

Recall or not its still better than a Terazza or anything fromn the domestics
You mention me and I appear

Comment by tripleonefive, posted on January23 at 9:36 pm
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now that is just silly 1115, i cant believe you are making excuses for a car whose doors fall off again. toyota is making mistakes but you silly little worshipers may get struck down from your tokyo masters if you say something bad about DOORS FALLING OFF A VEHICLE. SILLY LITTLE KIDS AROUND HERE JEEZ.

r-Head: funny stuff