Comments on: Toyota unveils 2007 Tundra Long Bed (including Double Cab)

By: bubbag11

bubbag11 — Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:40:23 +0000

If you get your auto reviews from MSN then that’s your first mistake, secondly, I admit the F-150 is a nice looking truck, however I drove a 2004 Tundra and then a 2005 F-150, so much for the quietiest cab on the market, the tundra was so much smoother and quiet then the ford, now that’s refinement, something that the big 3 don’t have in their strategic plan. And sure, the new tundra is going to look similiar to the current leaders, that’s called good marketing…
lastly, would you rather buy a product from a failing company or a successful and growing company….use your brains, for those who have one, for those who don’t,
go back to your trailer park and shut up…

By: chuckles

chuckles — Sat, 23 Sep 2006 18:40:53 +0000

LaamoZ, So exactly what model year did you take these stats from? Why don’t you give that to me?

Here’s just one I found…
http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/Reliability.aspx?year=2006&make=Toyota&model=Tundra&trimid=-1

Your first post said this truck would be best-in-class, at what? I don’t see an access door on the regular cab, I will guarantee you it won’t have a better payload or towing capacity than the ’07 F150, and when it get’s right down to it, I will fairly bet that it has a smaller, lower torsional strength frame, smaller axles, smaller brakes, etc. etc. Of course, that’s only important if you seriously work your truck or are concerned at all about safety of you, your passengers and even others on the road when you are at or near max GCWR.

BTW, you said that the Titan beat everyone when it came out…at what? Days in inventory? They didn’t beat the All New 2004 F150 in anything that matters to serious truck buyers. Are they even on the radar screen in truck sales?

Even if the Tundra does have a couple best-in-class features when it comes out…that will be short lived until Ford intros yet another All New F150 several months later, it’s just another futile try at the king-of-the-Hill. Imitation is always the sincerest form of flattery… anybody (as Toyota has done) can take some specs and try to be just a little bigger or match the leader.

By: LamborghiniZ

LamborghiniZ — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 21:00:56 +0000

WonbyOne, you’re right about them not caring about performance, that is the truth. Chuckles, stats are stats, that doesn’t change, if the repair records show that the F-150 is unreliable, you can’t argue with it, you’ll try because you’re ignorant, but you cant discredit facts. And the facts show that the F-150 breaks down a hell of a lot. I didn’t discredit my own source, read what I said, I said they like to recommend American cars, that means they might put a check mark by cars that have mediocre reliability, it doesnt have anything to do with the repair record statistics themselves, those never change despite w/e biases consumer reports might have. I’m looking at numbers only, and the numbers dont change no matter what. Maybe you should read what I say before posting idiotic comments.And focus on the topic at hand, not my vulgarities, dont’ get off topic now chuckles, i know its easy for you to when you’re being proved wrong.

By: chuckles

chuckles — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 19:42:04 +0000

My, my Lambo-z…so your answer to any challenge on an opinion that you post ends up with you resorting to vulgarities…tisk, tisk. Wow, that really shows your intelligence, now doesn’t it? What I enjoyed the most is you discrediting your own source. LOL, that’s great! I knew there was a reason that I usually refrain from posting…every one of these threads ends up at the lowest common denominator…

By: WonbyOne

WonbyOne — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 06:52:48 +0000

You know LamboZ
Consumer reports does test and publish their opinions but they do also publish a buyers guide that quantifies only responses from actual owners of the vehicles. The only bias contained therein would be of the vehicles owners themselves.
In general though, I have found CR to not care too much about performance from an enthusiasts perspective when shelling out their opinions.

By: elviososa

elviososa — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 03:33:39 +0000

Oops…sorry for double posts.

By: elviososa

elviososa — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 03:31:26 +0000

Geezz….it’s just the base modles that we see now…and all the Toyota haters already come to pointing the finger. If you look at the truck more, you can see that it will blow all the competition away by adding some rims… bars…and some these and that. Use your little imagination….Try to do the same to the other trucks such as up coming GMC/Chevy or the current Ram. Tundra will be the best looking one.

By: elviososa

elviososa — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 03:30:32 +0000

Geezz….it’s just the base modles that we see now…and all the Toyota haters already come to pointing the finger. If you look at the truck more, you can see that it will blow all the competition away by adding some rims… bars…and some these and that. Use your little imagination….Try to do that same to the other trucks such as up coming GMC/Chevy or the current Ram. Tundra will be the best looking one.

By: GarbageMotorsCo

GarbageMotorsCo — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 02:15:37 +0000

Oh please share your source Chuckles. “poor rating on Powertrain” my ass.

Try “poor made up bullshit propoganda with zero facts”

By: RustedEmpire

RustedEmpire — Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:05:58 +0000

big isn’t a good idea, we all saw the ford excursion flop

Just think, maneuvering that tank in a parking space would be difficult, and I’d be scared to pull my car out if one parked next to me…
I already have problems next to hummers and those oh so giant diesel double wheel pickups

By: chuckles

chuckles — Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:01:38 +0000

LamboZ, so consumer reports is the undisputed authority in everything automotive? I’ve never seen any Jap bias by them…LOL. Maybe check a few other sources, Tundra recieved a poor rating on powertrain by more than one source…deal with it.

By: Fatstrat

Fatstrat — Wed, 20 Sep 2006 14:47:09 +0000

LamboZ
You are correct, and also a little hypocritical “biases and narrowmindedness”).
What makes a ‘good’ car also has alot to do with how it meets the buyers needs. I hated the cavalier, but I knew a couple of guys in college that had them with tons of miles on them and all they had to do was change the oil and they were perfect ‘college cars’. Ran them the 250-300 miles between home and campus regularly and very reliably if not in much style. I would call that a ‘good car’. Purchased used, and with little expectation of any substantial resale but they served the purpose.
I know you were just using the Cav as an example (good one too) but just thought I’d make a point.
We tend to get over critical of some cars on this board.
Often unjustly so.

By: WonbyOne

WonbyOne — Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:13:09 +0000

I have had and excellent experience with my 03
Z71 as well. 86k miles.
I am also towing around 7k lbs regularly.
I have also a couple of long trips where I got 20+mpg as well (not towing).
I really like the 5.3. It is an excellent engine.

By: LamborghiniZ

LamborghiniZ — Wed, 20 Sep 2006 04:44:25 +0000

chuckles, i have checked my facts, thats why i said what i did, because my facts WERE correct. consumer reports shows that the F-150 has WAYYYY more problems per 100 vehicles than the tundra, or any toyota vehicle for that matter. i know you’re probably going to come back denying that consumer reports is a valid source, but considering they take the repair history data from hundreds of thousands of f-150′s, and hundreds of thousands of tundras, and objectively compile that info to produce these stats, you have no way to argue that facts are facts, and that if the data shows the f-150 to be unreliable, then it is. doesnt mean it doesnt perform well as a truck, but it just doesnt have great reliability. deal with it.

By: MHW

MHW — Wed, 20 Sep 2006 02:03:20 +0000

My Duramax with 80,000 miles has been flawless, and Toyota has yet to make anything that can touch it. You will here sob stories from all brands including the Toyota Tundra, so get over it!

By: GarbageMotorsCo

GarbageMotorsCo — Wed, 20 Sep 2006 01:08:45 +0000

Alot of burnt GM truck buyers will give this a chance, I gaurantee Toyota sells every single one they build. And with minimal incentives.

My Z71 went through 2 transmissions in 80,000 miles so 60k is just the start of a ticking time bomb waiting to go off.

By: chevy490

chevy490 — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 23:43:18 +0000

umm this is like retarted im wouldnt buy one if some one payed me to!!

By: Detroit Dude !

Detroit Dude ! — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:18:37 +0000

Looks heavy, and the front end frown just isn’t nice looking at all. The whole design looks out of proportion. Ford, Dodge and Chevy/GMC goy nothing to worry about here.

By: The Stig

The Stig — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:28:30 +0000

Toyota won’t be “moving forward” without diesels in this segment, as 1234 says.

And yes, it beyond fugly.

By: 1234

1234 — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:54:36 +0000

Major UGLY and where’s the DIESELS???? We want diesels for these trucks – nobody is buying gas hog trucks for work. Come on Toyota get in the game. It’s the diesels that are keeping Ford and GM alive in the working truck market…

By: Fatstrat

Fatstrat — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:50:20 +0000

I am basing my comparison on previous cars I have owned with similar mileage and the rough and heavy use my trucks get and have gotten in the past. I would compare my 60k miles to the typical mileage of a normal owner going 120k. My truck is not a city poser, though I commute in it often, it gets used hard every week and never fails to answer the call.
I also believe ithe 60k goes well beyone the initial quality measurment that is typically used for new vehicles.
By 60k miles on my Toyota’s I had already had major component failures in each case.They got real expensive as soon as the warranty period ran out. Same with my Fords The only reason I even considered the Tundra when shopping full size is because I trusted the local service dept. I am no kid and have owned way too many cars/trucks to count. Believe me, I can tell when I have a lemon and it doesnt take 60k miles for that.

By: cknoff

cknoff — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:26:07 +0000

Fatstrat, 60k miles is nothing on a car nowadays. My uncle regularly drive his Toyotas to 250k-300k without any problems. Our old Chrysler minivan went to over 150k without one problem, and then we sold it. Check back with us on your Silverado’s reliability when you hit at least 100K, ok?

By: Fatstrat

Fatstrat — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 14:38:01 +0000

thats funny Broken Cadillac.
My 03 Z71 Silverado has experienced none of those issues and I am pushing 60k miles on it now. I regularly tow a 7500lb trailer and spend a lot of time off road, much of it in difficult terrain. Aside from the outside mirror defrost feature that has failed a couple of times i have had zero issues. I have owned 2 Tacomas and had many more problems with them than I have ever had with my Chevy. Not saying that makes Chevy perfect, just reporting my experience.
In any case, the Tundra is no doubt a good rig. i passed on it when I bought my Silverado because the Tundra back seat was terrible and it had no towing capacity. I am sure those things have changed for this new version, but one of the things that made the last model attractive to buyers was it’s ‘right size’ dimensions. Upsizing will probably lose them a few customers and bring in a few others so I think sales will probably be about the same.

By: chuckles

chuckles — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:47:11 +0000

Check your facts before you post LamboZ. There have been virtually no reliability issues with the new F-series. Sure, Toyota will sell some trucks, and I’m sure the quality will be great, but most, including Toyota, don’t realize the loyalty of truck buyers. Look at Nissan, they put out what everybody thought was a contender…and what happened? PPHHHTT… Even with GM introducing its new truck, very few loyal Ford buyers will switch brands, and vice versa with GM buyers when Ford intros its new SuperDuty next year and another all-new F150 in 2008.

By: dl_caldwell

dl_caldwell — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:36:16 +0000

Toyota may indeed have built the best full size truck. However, many people have come to the conclusion they don’t want or need a full size truck. It’s amazing what a few triple-digit fill-ups will do!

What Toyota really NEEDS right now is a small, fuel efficient truck like they used to build 20 years ago. The Tachoma is grown into a midsized truck, the Tundra is now a full blown full size truck. Where’s the small truck? It looks like this market shift is catching Toyota off guard like everyone else.

By: BrokenCadillac...

BrokenCadillac... — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:25:21 +0000

Looks like a Dachsund… Toyota will sell every one that they make. Those who got burned by their Silverado/Sierra like a few buddys I know of will give this a shot, even if they end up with a RAM or F-150 in the end. BTW, the F-series is pretty reliable so somebody is pulling our legs.

Trust me, it doesn’t get any worse than the outgoing GM twins. Brake problems, tranny clunks, Piston slap, rear axle failures. And these are just the problems that have plagued my friends trucks. All of them diehard GM fans, like myself who also got burned on a 60,000 waste of metal Cadillac SRX

By: John Landers

John Landers — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:05:24 +0000

This truck looks awesome! I would buy it in a flash if it’s on sale for $8,000! I want the double cab at the price too.

By: LamborghiniZ

LamborghiniZ — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:28:50 +0000

lee oswald, you’re the perfect example of someone who SHOULDN’T be posting on this site, as you know absolutely NOTHING about what you’re talking about. Look at your childish use of caps and obsceneties to get your point across. You’re clearly never going to stray from your “America is #1″ routine, no matter the facts, so why even comment at all? Your input is worthless.

By: Donfuy

Donfuy — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:04:49 +0000

It sucks. Fugly!!

By: Sean

Sean — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 04:40:48 +0000

Ugly!

By: 56oval

56oval — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 02:20:20 +0000

Tundra v2.0 is a BUST! That back door window just does not work. v1.0 may have been girly and 7/8 size, but it was much better looking!

By: tren001

tren001 — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 01:54:21 +0000

Actually, if the new Tundra fails in the marketplace, it won’t look good for the Detriot 3. If Tundra sales are down, it’s probably going to indicate that the whole big truck market is taking a dip, since people won’t refuse to buy Tundras just because it’s Japanese and look kinda weird.

Now, say everyone takes a 20-30% hit on their full-size truck sales. No big deal for Toyota, who’ll sell 150,000 instead of 200,000 units a year (and maybe those smart people at Toyota are already expecting this, and thus decided to lower production recently). But if GM and Ford lose 20% of their full size sales, they’ve now got an extra 150,000 trucks sitting on dealer lots. Making it worse, the big three depend on truck sales for profit, while Toyota probably makes money on both truck and car sales. So this will hit the big 3 much worse than it will hurt Toyota.

By: cknoff

cknoff — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 01:25:30 +0000

It’s ugly, plain and simple. It might have reliability (which Toyota has dropped in recently btw), but not the legacy of it’s competitors. It’s biggest target was the casual truck user, a market that is currently dying. It doesn’t look good for Torota.

By: Kenny W

Kenny W — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 01:24:19 +0000

Since it’s a Toyota and those are hand crafted by God himself and last 200K miles with the hood welded shut the new Tundra will sell like hot cakes. I however think it’s the ugliest truck on the market. While the exterior is ugly the interior is at least decent, but still (from the pictures) seems less ergonomical than the Ford/Nissan/GM, and only bests the pathetically cheap Dodge Ram. The engine choices are also very nice, so that will certainly help. I still just couldn’t get past looking at the damn thing & knowing that I own such an ugly vehicle.

By: JC Whitless

JC Whitless — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:48:36 +0000

LamborghiniZ, this is SOOO a sissy truck.

Now the J3000, that is a MANS truck!!

By: 1c3d0g

1c3d0g — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:32:21 +0000

Ah, Toy Ota’s trying to play with the Big Boys…I wonder how long they’ll last before breaking an axle. ROFL, what a joke of a “truck”. I bet they still use that Denso POS parts supplier.

By: MHW

MHW — Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:47:05 +0000

Looks like a Pug had a hot date with a Weiner dog!

By: LamborghiniZ

LamborghiniZ — Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:19:02 +0000

The front end of this truck looks nothing like any other truck out there, the rear looks somewhat similar to the quad cab version of the last generation tundra, and the interior is nothing like anything thats ever been seen before on a pickup.

By: SFH1989

SFH1989 — Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:17:01 +0000

Are all trucks just going to end up looking the same?

By: wenge

wenge — Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:34:18 +0000

The front-end looks kinda heavy. I feel like the back wheels are going to lift off the ground.

By: LamborghiniZ

LamborghiniZ — Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:30:31 +0000

Since the newest generation came out a few years ago, stats show that its incredibly unreliable, a pretty good truck in the way it performs/works, but not that reliable.

By: Ricardo Head

Ricardo Head — Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:08:15 +0000

The F150 is unrealiable??? Since when?

By: LamborghiniZ

LamborghiniZ — Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:57:14 +0000

This truck is going to be best in class, better than the domestics, better than the outdated Ram, the unreliable F-150, and my prediction is even better than the new Silverado/Sierra. The Titan beat the domestics at their own game, and this Tundra will do it with the credentials to beat the American trucks plus the amazing reliability Toyota is famous for.

Now lets get ready to see all of the negative, hateful, biased and inaccurate comments about how this is going to be a ‘sissy truck’ or some nonsense like that.

By: Bonquisha Sheneequah Sharkeesha Shi-thead Jackson

Bonquisha Sheneequah Sharkeesha Shi-thead Jackson — Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:49:34 +0000

The base model looks better than the base Silverado (which looks like a Dakota) but the Silverado looks better as it gets more expensive. This doesn’t.
I’m not in the market for a pick-up so don’t know which I would buy if I needed one. I prefer the Interior to the interior of the silverado.