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	<title>Comments on: Trademarks: Lexus slogan change in the works?</title>
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		<title>By: Jon Luc</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/trademarks-lexus-slogan-change-in-the-works.html/comment-page-1#comment-266899</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Luc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2006 18:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who really cares what they choose. Fact is, Lexus is a great car. Ugly, but a great car. It won&#039;t matter to me what they choose. It won&#039;t influence me one way or another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who really cares what they choose. Fact is, Lexus is a great car. Ugly, but a great car. It won&#8217;t matter to me what they choose. It won&#8217;t influence me one way or another.</p>
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		<title>By: global_lightning</title>
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		<dc:creator>global_lightning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2006 04:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Lexus: Because Escalades are ghetto&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lexus: Because Escalades are ghetto&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: global_lightning</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/trademarks-lexus-slogan-change-in-the-works.html/comment-page-1#comment-266823</link>
		<dc:creator>global_lightning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2006 03:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you want passion, get some Vi@gra&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you want passion, get some Vi@gra&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: global_lightning</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/trademarks-lexus-slogan-change-in-the-works.html/comment-page-1#comment-266822</link>
		<dc:creator>global_lightning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2006 03:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The relentless perfection of badge engineering&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The relentless perfection of badge engineering&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: global_lightning</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/trademarks-lexus-slogan-change-in-the-works.html/comment-page-1#comment-266821</link>
		<dc:creator>global_lightning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2006 03:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Lexus: The toaster with nice leather seats&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lexus: The toaster with nice leather seats&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: global_lightning</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/trademarks-lexus-slogan-change-in-the-works.html/comment-page-1#comment-266819</link>
		<dc:creator>global_lightning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2006 03:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Nothing is as boring as perfection, and we&#039;re the proof&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nothing is as boring as perfection, and we&#8217;re the proof&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: global_lightning</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/trademarks-lexus-slogan-change-in-the-works.html/comment-page-1#comment-266818</link>
		<dc:creator>global_lightning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2006 03:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Lexus: The cure for insomnia&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lexus: The cure for insomnia&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ricardo Head</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/trademarks-lexus-slogan-change-in-the-works.html/comment-page-1#comment-266790</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricardo Head</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... &quot;LEXUS: The Perfect Persuit Of Potentially Passionless Relent.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; &#8220;LEXUS: The Perfect Persuit Of Potentially Passionless Relent.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: autoweirdo</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/trademarks-lexus-slogan-change-in-the-works.html/comment-page-1#comment-266703</link>
		<dc:creator>autoweirdo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 18:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Passionate Pursuit of your Grandmother&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Passionate Pursuit of your Grandmother&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: The Stig</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/trademarks-lexus-slogan-change-in-the-works.html/comment-page-1#comment-266686</link>
		<dc:creator>The Stig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 17:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They could do some VW-like unpimp commercials making the Lexus logo on one hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They could do some VW-like unpimp commercials making the Lexus logo on one hand.</p>
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		<title>By: 1952 MG TD</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/trademarks-lexus-slogan-change-in-the-works.html/comment-page-1#comment-266661</link>
		<dc:creator>1952 MG TD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 15:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone remember in the Cadilac thread I was joking about how they have been pursuing perfection for this long and still haven&#039;t got there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone remember in the Cadilac thread I was joking about how they have been pursuing perfection for this long and still haven&#8217;t got there?</p>
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		<title>By: Carnut4ever</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/trademarks-lexus-slogan-change-in-the-works.html/comment-page-1#comment-266590</link>
		<dc:creator>Carnut4ever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the original slogan was the best and it was this that defined the Lexus name. Just don&#039;t expect passion and performance from Lexus and everything is fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the original slogan was the best and it was this that defined the Lexus name. Just don&#8217;t expect passion and performance from Lexus and everything is fine.</p>
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		<title>By: LSCMKVII</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/trademarks-lexus-slogan-change-in-the-works.html/comment-page-1#comment-266578</link>
		<dc:creator>LSCMKVII</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 06:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A new slogan isn&#039;t going to change the amt. of 50 something real estate agents that walk into the dealership looking for wheels.........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A new slogan isn&#8217;t going to change the amt. of 50 something real estate agents that walk into the dealership looking for wheels&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: C-Hole</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/trademarks-lexus-slogan-change-in-the-works.html/comment-page-1#comment-266549</link>
		<dc:creator>C-Hole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 02:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Passionate pursuit of perfection&quot; is just retarded. Enough with the crappy alliterations already.

The original (relentless) was the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Passionate pursuit of perfection&#8221; is just retarded. Enough with the crappy alliterations already.</p>
<p>The original (relentless) was the best.</p>
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		<title>By: audiot</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/trademarks-lexus-slogan-change-in-the-works.html/comment-page-1#comment-266544</link>
		<dc:creator>audiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 01:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;ll never lose &quot;perfection.&quot; Don&#039;t believe it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;ll never lose &#8220;perfection.&#8221; Don&#8217;t believe it.</p>
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		<title>By: Impulsive</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/trademarks-lexus-slogan-change-in-the-works.html/comment-page-1#comment-266543</link>
		<dc:creator>Impulsive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 01:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big mistake if it&#039;s changed to either of those listed.

&quot;Perfection&quot; provided the image of an end, something absolute, a goal that few, if any, could accomplish. &quot;Potential&quot; is vague, subjective and lacking in a goal of supremacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big mistake if it&#8217;s changed to either of those listed.</p>
<p>&#8220;Perfection&#8221; provided the image of an end, something absolute, a goal that few, if any, could accomplish. &#8220;Potential&#8221; is vague, subjective and lacking in a goal of supremacy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jameson</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/trademarks-lexus-slogan-change-in-the-works.html/comment-page-1#comment-266542</link>
		<dc:creator>Jameson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 01:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about the relentless persuit of boredom...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about the relentless persuit of boredom&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Veda</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/trademarks-lexus-slogan-change-in-the-works.html/comment-page-1#comment-266536</link>
		<dc:creator>Veda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 01:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude who gives a damn about a slogan.  The people who buy Lexus care more about the famous Lexus properties than anything else including what the small minority being the guys here have to say about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude who gives a damn about a slogan.  The people who buy Lexus care more about the famous Lexus properties than anything else including what the small minority being the guys here have to say about it.</p>
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		<title>By: 1c3d0g</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/trademarks-lexus-slogan-change-in-the-works.html/comment-page-1#comment-266535</link>
		<dc:creator>1c3d0g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 01:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about:

&quot;We make overpriced shitty cars...Lexus.&quot;

&quot;The best way to burn your money, the Lexus way&quot;.

&quot;Lexus is not Toy Ota, we only screw you if you have the cash to buy our POS vehicles&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about:</p>
<p>&#8220;We make overpriced ****ty cars&#8230;Lexus.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The best way to burn your money, the Lexus way&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;Lexus is not Toy Ota, we only screw you if you have the cash to buy our POS vehicles&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: SK9000T</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/trademarks-lexus-slogan-change-in-the-works.html/comment-page-1#comment-266526</link>
		<dc:creator>SK9000T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 01:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about:

&quot;The Potential Pursuit of Passion&quot;

&quot;The Potential Pursuit of Potential&quot;

&quot;The Pursuit of Pursuit&quot;

&quot;What Are We Pursuing Again ??&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Potential Pursuit of Passion&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The Potential Pursuit of Potential&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The Pursuit of Pursuit&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;What Are We Pursuing Again ??&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan the Man</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/trademarks-lexus-slogan-change-in-the-works.html/comment-page-1#comment-266521</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan the Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 00:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Dr*Manhattan, this change will do no good for Lexus. I personally also liked the original slogan. It does give a sense of insecurity as to where the company is heading. Besides, what difference will changing the slogan make.... its not like consumers are all sitting around analyzing their slogan. It is what it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Dr*Manhattan, this change will do no good for Lexus. I personally also liked the original slogan. It does give a sense of insecurity as to where the company is heading. Besides, what difference will changing the slogan make&#8230;. its not like consumers are all sitting around analyzing their slogan. It is what it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr*Manhattan</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/trademarks-lexus-slogan-change-in-the-works.html/comment-page-1#comment-266508</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr*Manhattan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 00:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The original slogan was great [The relentless pursuit for perfection].  Then, with the next slogan, there was way too much alliteration that it just sounded ackward [The passionate pursuit of perfection].

McDonald&#039;s restaurants changes their slogans every five years or so -  (anyone remember &quot;food, folks, and fun&quot;  -- UGG!).

That&#039;s okay for McDonald&#039;s, but not for an automaker.  Change it if it&#039;s necessary -- but not for the sake of change.  It cheapens your brand image, and makes customers insecure about the direction the company is taking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The original slogan was great [The relentless pursuit for perfection].  Then, with the next slogan, there was way too much alliteration that it just sounded ackward [The passionate pursuit of perfection].</p>
<p>McDonald&#8217;s restaurants changes their slogans every five years or so &#8211;  (anyone remember &#8220;food, folks, and fun&#8221;  &#8212; UGG!).</p>
<p>That&#8217;s okay for McDonald&#8217;s, but not for an automaker.  Change it if it&#8217;s necessary &#8212; but not for the sake of change.  It cheapens your brand image, and makes customers insecure about the direction the company is taking.</p>
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		<title>By: Left Lane News</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/trademarks-lexus-slogan-change-in-the-works.html/comment-page-1#comment-266494</link>
		<dc:creator>Left Lane News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 23:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(V)ike: We were citing an AdWeek story on the BMW thing. And when better information became available we quickly published it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(V)ike: We were citing an AdWeek story on the BMW thing. And when better information became available we quickly published it.</p>
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		<title>By: Madcapp</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/trademarks-lexus-slogan-change-in-the-works.html/comment-page-1#comment-266489</link>
		<dc:creator>Madcapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 23:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The relentless pursuit of people who wear Depends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The relentless pursuit of people who wear Depends.</p>
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		<title>By: spider</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/trademarks-lexus-slogan-change-in-the-works.html/comment-page-1#comment-266487</link>
		<dc:creator>spider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 23:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Their original slogan was the best. They ruined it with the changes. They should go back to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Their original slogan was the best. They ruined it with the changes. They should go back to it.</p>
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		<title>By: (V)ike</title>
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		<dc:creator>(V)ike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 23:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LLN didn&#039;t mention however, how they totally bombed on the &quot;BMW Dropping &#039;The Ultimate Driving Machin&#039; slogan.&quot; story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LLN didn&#8217;t mention however, how they totally bombed on the &#8220;BMW Dropping &#8216;The Ultimate Driving Machin&#8217; slogan.&#8221; story.</p>
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		<title>By: British_Rover</title>
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		<dc:creator>British_Rover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 23:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about the passionate pursuit of soul. 

or the passion and soul.

The current lexus slogan is ok those new ones are sucky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about the passionate pursuit of soul. </p>
<p>or the passion and soul.</p>
<p>The current lexus slogan is ok those new ones are sucky.</p>
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		<title>By: Bonquisha Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bonquisha Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 23:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cadillac&#039;s slogan sucks more the more you hear it. It may play in Peoria but everywhere else it is slightly embarrassing.
Not sure what to make of the Lexus slogans the passionate pursuit of potential is too alliterative. The other slightly meaningless. Lexus should be pursuing passion and character.

The Potential pursuit of passion
The Chase for Character</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cadillac&#8217;s slogan sucks more the more you hear it. It may play in Peoria but everywhere else it is slightly embarrassing.<br />
Not sure what to make of the Lexus slogans the passionate pursuit of potential is too alliterative. The other slightly meaningless. Lexus should be pursuing passion and character.</p>
<p>The Potential pursuit of passion<br />
The Chase for Character</p>
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		<title>By: dsmdriver84</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsmdriver84</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 22:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HAHA they&#039;re not going for perfection anymore? lol should that be taken as a good sign???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HAHA they&#8217;re not going for perfection anymore? lol should that be taken as a good sign???</p>
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