“But regular folks are the only ones giving up the large trucks”

I guess you mean “NOT the only ones”.

Oh yeah….im sure thats statistically correct…one hummer buyer trades in for an element! What about all those “conquests” to the larger SUVs from the small cars over the years. Ever calculate milage on any given trip with 6 folk in one Tahoe or Suburban vs two honda civics? Some of us still NEED “large trucks” and LOVE ‘em.

Some people do need truck, especially for work, but too many people drive gas guzzleing luxo trucks commuting to work. Trucks are just not good daily drivers for most people’s purposes. That is the problem I see. It is not truck in principle, it is how they are used. Actually, I am against the H2 and Escalade in principle.

I’m with you on this one adam

If I got dirty looks and nasty gestures from ANYONE for the car I drove, I think I’d install a train horn in it instead of trading it in for an Element (of all things).

“If I got dirty looks and nasty gestures from ANYONE for the car I drove…” pretty tough stance but then you sign your comment Anonymous?

Ah, yes…”DUB Magazine”…the arbiter of all things automotive! There’s a real reliable source!

Take anything the NYT says with a grain of salt.

After the Jason Blair thing, I don’t believe anything they say.

“it was the dirty looks and nasty gestures from other drivers that finally persuaded her to give up the family’s Hummer H2 for a Honda Element.”

These people are childish. So who decides what the ‘moral’ vehicle is? Last I checked this was still a free country. If I want to buy a vehicle that gets 13 miiles a gallon that’s my choice. These people that use peer intimidation to exert their will & values on others are pathetic. But wait, I always thought they said it was the other side that did that. I thought their motto was ‘I’m OK, you’re OK’ or celebrate diversity? Oh, that’s right, that’s only if you agree with their point of view. Silly me.

Oh, and I don’t drive a Hummer or any other suv…

Celebrate diversity, not stupidity. Those ridiculously large SUVs do nothing but waste gas and kill whatever they hit. Free country doesn’t mean you should be an idiot, it just means you CAN be. Lets try to think on a slightly higher level than “just because i can means i should.”

Well said NW_Mike.

“Lets try to think on a slightly higher level”

Hmmm, so in reference to my first post, ‘you’ are the judge of what’s right and wrong? Higher or lower level? What if I think something you are doing is idiotic and I say it, is it true or opinion?

I thought people who are opposed to suv’s would relish the thought of their continued use because then the ‘evil’ oil would have to be replaced with a ‘friendly’ fuel.

Any car can kill.

Just another example of liberals (in this case, the NYT) trying to force their readers to think from the liberal point of view by only telling one side of the story. I am fairly liberal in principle, but I don’t consider myself a liberal because I’d rather not associate myself with the blatant hyprocrites that most liberals are. Anyone has a right to drive whatever they want; they have a right to be stupid and drive their gas-guzzling H2 while talking on their cell phone if it doesn’t break the law. Sure, we all hate those turd soccer moms, but my opinion of them isn’t any more right or wrong than their opinions of me.

People care what other people think of them no matter what they say. With thousands of American kids dying in the desert people eye drivers of large gas hogs as being partly to blame. We all know we are only in iraq for the oil not for human rights violations, terror cells or wmds. If brands like hummer and cadillac want to survive they need to engineer and market highend green machines implementing hybrids,displacement on demand and alternative fuels….and do it fast.

“We all know we are only in iraq for the oil not for human rights violations, terror cells or wmds.”

Spoken like a true ABB person. Opinion & emotion before fact. Remember 911? How about the USS Cole? Or the other Trade Center bombing? (etc. ad-nauseum)

But it is worthless to try and convince a closed mind (no matter how open you think it is).

Lastly, once the market demands a different kind of vehicle there will be one. But obviously we are not there yet, conservatives & liberals alike.

the terrorists who commited 911 or the cole were NOT funded by Iraq…ad-nauseum….

Terrorism is terrorism. The only way to lessen it’s effects is to kill them, plain and simple. I challenge anyone to provide a clean money trail proving that in the end they are not all connected in some way. I love how certain people’s opinions are ‘fact’ because they hate the opposing view and/or the people who have them.

Yeah, we are so evil for bringing down Saddam and his years of butchery. I am sure the Iraqi’s hate our guts for getting rid of him. I am sure that the world is not a better after removing him from power.

Oh and the oil thing, we only get like 15% of our oil from the entire middle east, so what ever…

So true, well said, NW_Mike.

Why are people so offened that people disparove of SUVs? As they say. “No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.” Maybe it is because people know that Luxo SUVs are usually some sort of compensation for some other shorcommings.

Oh, by the way, there were exactly ZERO al Qaida terrorist in Iraq prior to our invasion and subsequent occupation. But , I guess if it gets you through the night…

It’s really quite easy, people.

You either hate SUVs, or you’re a terrorist.

Consumer Reports got 20mpg in their Element.

Way to save the planet, Janna bin Laden.