Good!!! love to see american cars prospering

If only the fuel requirements for the CARS program were augmented…

I think it’s sad because some of those models were America’s finest when they were new. I’m not even kidding either, the Explorer ruled the block back in the day.

The Exploder makes sense. They sold about a zillion of those before the little Firestone faux pas.

Rest in peace old clunker!

Interesting that Ford had the #1 new purchase followed by a Toyota, a Honda, A Toyota and another Toyota. Some people in Japan must be smiling a little more this week ……….

I don’t know what people see in the new Focus. That is the ugliest car on the Ford lineup. But I am happy that America tops the list of the most sold vehicles in the program.

karlove not as ugly as this!!!!!
http://www.autocult.com.au/img/gallery/full/hologram158.jpg
imagine that on the ford lineup LOL

I’d say the net-net here is that alot of Big 3 Detroit vehicles got dumped for a long list of Japanese branded products. No surprise there.

That Fiat Multpla is a hot runner in Europe carmaster4ever. EVERYONE should get one.

What people have realized is the vast majority don’t ‘need’ a 5000 pound, 4WD behemoth for taking the kids to school and getting groceries.

Lol:-)) No wonder Washington was skittish on releasing the data. We are subsidizing the sales of the J2 and using the trade-ins of domestic brands to do it. Geez, y’all just got luv the optics of it all:-)) Question, y’all think this how the German program worked – trade VW’s for Hondas or Toyotas? That they have US plants is a canard; where a company is incorporated is a significant factor whether y’all want to believe it or not;-) Anyway, just thought I’d throw that observation into the mix…

DB9;-)

DenverGuy, I imagine they’re quite pleased, probably in disbelief that it would be that easy, think they’ll return the favor – or anyone else for that matter?

DB9;-)

I broke this story yesterday
This is day-old eggs to me!
DrFill

LMAO with the Fiat Multipla. When I managed the company vehicle fleet in Europe our service dept pissed me off, so I threatened to replace all their service cars all with those hideous Fiat Multipla’s. Face with complete embarassment, they became very cooperative with me.

I was at a ford dealer today, and noticed all their “clunkers” that were stashed in the back of their lot, and some of those were actually nice cars! I asked if I could buy one of them…but apparently they all don’t operate anymore…. who would trade in an old corvette, along with a nice conversion van and some suburbans?!??!?! I tell you, there are sick people in this world!!! It honestly ticked me off today! And that was the ford dealer! I went to the chevy dealer and I was about to cry…so many decent cars that shouldn’t be terminated!

wait this is funny, didn’t you guys see it? GM has keep telling people how good their vehicle is, and how much better their MPG compare with Ford. Look what happen, Ford is #1, and still rock. also check this out:

GM has lost 20% sells after this program start
Chrysler has lost 10% sells since the program.
Toyota lost more then $500 Million since the program
Ford has profit again after post profit earlier.

If Ford can progfit, how come other company are not ?

Having such power with options like the Multipla as leverage is nice isn’t it mayer_ray_nagin?

@ idrinorbarsaku
I know what you mean. Some of these people are not only sick they are crazy.

well i guess everyone in europe likes riding platypuses then huh?
http://thenationalevil.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/platypus-4.jpg

FYI, The latest:

“By Angela Greiling Keane Aug. 5 (Bloomberg) — General Motors Co., the largest U.S. automaker, has the most sales under the “cash-for-clunkers” program, according to Transportation Department data released today.

Ford’s Explorer was the most popular trade-in vehicle, followed by Ford’s F150 pickup and Chrysler Group LLC’s Jeep Grand Cherokee. All of the top 10 trade-in models are made by the top three U.S. automakers. ”

Last Updated: August 5, 2009 17:12 EDT

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=akjL3wiDVfnU

DB9;-)

Not really carmaster4ever, we do perfer a bit more speed then what most of you in the US are use to. Of course there is a strong “green” movement that looks for practicality no matter how ugly it is.

please RS5 no body drive as fast and crazy like a bat out of hell than people in the U S of A thats why i love it here LOL

That’s why soldiers that get stationed here in Germany need to take driver’s courses now before they’re “allowed” on the german roads carmaster4ever? You might drive fast but here EVERYONE drives faster legally.

we dont need take a a course to drive fast we already do!!!!!!!! we have our own personal autobahns its called I-95!!!!!!! thank you.

And that’s why I get ripped for driving a mere 130mph here on the forums? Come on carmaster4ever, the grandma nextdoor to me drives faster then the US 55-75mph speed limit.

RS5 give me a break come over to uncle sam i’ll show you fast! funny comeback if your gonna speed over there at lest have a fast car.. a vw polo will get smoked by our rigs!

this is what happens when germans drive to fast on the autobahn
http://www.almostsmart.com/upload/files/2005/Feb/MultipleDeathAutobahnCrash.JPG

now all the biergarten’s will loose money! LOL

LOL! Sorry to say carmaster4ever but as my name says, I don’t drive VW’s. Actually I don’t drive anything other than Audi anymore, from my personal A3 up to our R8 models I cover the pallete.

ummmmmmmm are you aware vw is audi????????????

Good now if Ford had the New Euro Focus and the Ford Kuga they would have probably sold alot more metal than what they have now. I know the two they have selling now are temporary makeovers well they need to speed it along. Good Job Ford! What’s Good for Ford Motor is Good for America!
They can’t get cars that do 300 miles on an Electrical Charge, talk to you, sing , you can get a workout in, drives itself, and take off like Tony Starks in Iron Man fast enough.

155mph is my fastest on the street so far.

Just wanted to brag.

Same concern, different company. Somethings are shared but VW owns Audi basically for us to bail them out.

You don’t want me to brag then beatusmongous…

ohhhhhh i get it lol! audi sucks over in germany as bad a GM sucks here? OK thanks for the correction!

Nah, it’s more like Opel able to hold its own and having to fork money to GM to help keep them over water. (Opel=Audi, GM=VW in this example only)

Audi werden Sie getrunken?

none of opel’s cars sold over here under the GM name .. horrible cars! thats what made them go UNDER!

“You don’t want me to brag then beatusmongous…”

I thought it was funny.

carmaster, Opel’s still alive and kicking over here in Europe. Not doing as well as Audi but not many companies are doing as well as we are.

now I know german cars are good but dude ford is doing better than anyone right now

We have been and still are in the black carmaster, we haven’t even slipped a toe into the red yet. Considering Ford’s losses I’d say the overall picture is a bit rosier for us. I’m not bashing Ford and I’m glad to hear them getting back on their feet and I’m sure there might be a few companies that have even stronger numbers then Audi over the past year, but we’ve continually outsold ourselves every year for the past 11 years.

FSVT
Put the crack pipe down first
Then post!
DrFill

Do you work for audi? your talking as if you work for them LOL
well i heard that german cars over THERE are nothing but practical cars like toyota and nissans over HERE . all i can say about the german cars are is that they are very overpriced and age badly. come on, the recent E- class was out for what 7 years? wanna go get a bier? LOL

I do. Been with Audi since ‘98.

DrFill

FSVT is correct in all directions.

what do you do ? design build?

meant design or build

Testdrive.

oh….. LOL are the german cars as expensive over there as over here?

u speak german?

The past 2 years in Neckarsulm I drive while when I’m in Ingolstadt I work in the shop checking and repairing the cars for media.

RS5 mentioned that in an earlier thread – what a job! I don’t know if I’d prefer his job or what I do now, but I hardly call that a job. Combining our jobs is even better though, just too bad I don’t do the show I used to do anymore.

Yes in relation they’re just as expensive over here as in the US, although even a Polo costs more here then in the US. Yes I speak german as well, helps me converse with my boss and co-workers.

Audi RS5, I’m with you on this. And I read that like 98% or so of American drivers that take their test in Germany fail it the first time. That’s kinda funny if you ask me. It’s true though, Opel makes a very solid car, GM has had some garbage these past 10 years or so. Still waiting to get my B8 though, money is tight

What do you do beatus?

ok audi

ich sage aus allen deutschen Autos heraus, die audi das Beste meiner Meinung nach ist

dante at this point who really cares?

Creative Services for a television station. I write, direct, shoot and edit commercials and promos, and some special event shows. I used to produce a weekly variety show, which often included trips to the race track and a few visits to the Shelby factory (also at the race track), among other fun things like concerts and shows and such. But since money has been tight, we couldn’t justify the expense for the show, and it got cancelled. Now it’s just commercials and promos and events.

I know it’s not the best song in the world, but here’s a music video I produced years ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoqhU16cPFQ

I’m biased but I’ll agree with you carmaster.

Basically, I would have been the media that you prepared the cars for if I were there.

^^ LOL

Sounds cool, the closest I got to doing a show was working in Salzburg Austria for the TT Coupe Dealer presentation in 2005 I think it was.

I really miss doing the shows. That was a blast for me.

Long, hard hours for us that build/fix/maintain the cars but yes there is a certain flare working shows/presentations.

RS5 – Are you aware the A3 is the same thing as an upscale GTI? I’m not saying the A3 is worse, but it’s a ripoff to me.

My question is: How many of these purchased vehicles are built by Americans in America?

Jake you COULD compare just about any car to another and over here all Golf/A3/Focus types are lumped into one group as everywhere in the world. What separates an A3 from a Golf is quality and name, if that justifies the price? I won’t answer that.

Bosley, I’d ask how many of these purchases impact American taxpayers in a positive manner? That’s what truly matters, don’t narrow your scope while in a global market. As much as I too believe that US taxpayer money should be spent to further US taxpayer’s interests, that doesn’t always mean taxpayer money should be spent on US taxpayers. (Yes I do fill out a 1040 every year as well even though I live and work in Germany for a german company.)

“WASHINGTON (Reuters) – [...] Toyota’s Corolla sedan overtook the Ford Focus as the best-selling vehicle in the ‘clunker’ program. Toyota had two other passenger cars, the Prius hybrid and the Camry, in the top five. The Honda Motor Co Civic was No. 3.

Vehicles made by U.S. manufacturers accounted for all of the top 10 traded-in vehicles, which is to be expected since rebate terms require the older model get no more than 18 miles per gallon in most cases.

The ‘clunker’ group included five light truck models made by Ford. The list also included three Jeep and Dodge brands made by Chrysler and two GM Chevy models.”

August 05, 2009: 07:12 PM ET

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/reuters/MTFH33012_2009-08-05_23-12-49_N05179751.htm

4ever
He is in error
Toyota hasn’t lost 500million since CARS program started
Program has been in effect a matter of 2-3 weeks
Toyota was #1 in US in sales for July
Camry, Prius and Corolla are 3 of the Top 6 selling cars in CARS program

Give Ford some private loans, and the uneducated think they are actually worth something
What a load!
DrFill

This is horrible. The cash for clunkers program is hurting the big 3 even more. This program was made to stimulate new car sales and get older (and better than today’s) gas guzzlers off the road because the government wants to go green. Too bad the presidents limo only get 14 mpg and they want us to drive fuel efficient cars. But that’s not what people want to drive. I really regret voting for obama. He really doesn’t know what hes doing. We need a gear head to handle the auto industries problems. Instead of destroying good cars to help the new cars sales and hurt th used car market. Even scrap yards are getting screwed over by this program because they can’t salvage anything it all has to be scrapped.

^^ “But that’s not what people want to drive.” – You have any proof to back that up? I see tons of compact cars on the top 10 most purchased car list. No one is forcing you to trade your gas guzzler in.

“Too bad the presidents limo only get 14 mpg” – The president limo probably weighs as much as an armor vehicle given its protection. You want a car that gets worse than 14mpg, by all mean, have one. But that doesn’t mean people need to follow you and keep their clunkers.

“We need a gear head to handle the auto industries problems.” – Since when did we have a gear head for president?

“He really doesn’t know what hes doing.” – Sure, if it wasn’t for him, you would have the Big 1 – Ford by now, with the other companies divided up by creditors.

“I really regret voting for obama.” – It’s water under the bridge, but I seriously doubt you voted for him anyway.

sharpie its passed your bed time. Go to bed little kid. I don’t give a **** about what you have to say. You took everything I said and turned it around. what are you a chick? Grow up!

i’m having a hard time believing there were enough working ford windstars to make it to 10 on the clunker list…truly amazing, that fact…

also, sharpie 1, chevyman 0…if you’re keeping score at home…

DR Fill, actually you’re in error too. GM was number 1 in sales in July

July 2009 Total Sales:

GM 188,730
Toyota 174,872
Ford 164,818

If trends continue, Toyota will slide to number 3 shortly.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/july-2009-sales-figures.html#comments
Paragraph 6
I am using this site as a reference, to save time
I don’t have time to cross-reference
As fas as this site is concerned, Toyota was #1 for July
Thanks to Prius and the uptick from the CARS program
Your turn
DrFill

I just have to say “wow” to all of these comments, and to the completely expected results of the CARS program. I’m glad that the Focus was the #1 car for this program, at least for a while, but in the end, people are going to go with what they know will work for years to come.

Unfortunately, the Big-3 have put themselves in a hole with the American market (save you a few people who still think buying American will truly and completely save America). Ford is the only one to really put forth a positive effort with minimal government support (compared to GM & Chrysler). That is why I’m glad to see them with a car in the top 5.

My biggest nitpick with this crap is that I would truly love to purchase a new car. I pay my taxes, just like almost everyone else, and feel I should have had the opportunity to purchase a new car as well. Just because a car doesn’t get a combined 18mpg or worse, doesn’t mean it isn’t worthy of a trade. As many have said before, I love getting punished for driving a fuel efficient car for years.

Oh, a few more points:
sharpie wins over chevyman6 (This is obvious as chevyman has no good argument. Moreover, you said he turned it around on you? He took what you said, and just put what it means. This is hardly turning it around on you)

German cars & drivers are better (for the most part). American drivers may be able to drive fast in their eyes, but until they grasp the fact that they must signal to turn, I have no respect for most of them.

Please, people, learn how the full capabilities of the English language. Hell, at least learn the basic principles before you type here! (I know, this is a request that will NEVER be answered)

once again your wrong ford outsold toyota in the CARS program toyota was number two and honda was number 3 and …..toyota was number 4 and 5 LOL toyota may have outsold toyota but ford cars are way better now thats what really matters

on top of that FSVT never said anything about july sales he was clearly stating how toyota is not profiting as good as ford these days and im pretty sure toyota did lose money somewhere around 500m so did mazda.

“Id say the net-net here is that alot of Big 3 Detroit vehicles got dumped for a long list of Japanese branded products. No surprise there.”

Did you not read the article?

*sigh*

And I love the Ford focus too. I’d love to get a hatch SVT focus. That would be a blast to drive around town for my dd. The Mustang’s gas mileage isn’t anything to brag about.

The focus has been taking away sales from Honda/Toyota for years now. And so it should. It’s a well made car.

Dr. Fill…. check manufacterers official releases. I was even off by a few because of revised numbers, GM sold 189,443, Toyota 174,872, Ford 165,279. (Technically Prius is not doing any better than last year, #16 in sales – down 29.5% through July)

Unfortunately as of today, Corolla is now outselling Focus in Cash for Clunkers. I’m sure the Japanese are thrilled their profits are coming from people that don’t even buy their cars (you and I, and the rest of American tax payers…and our kids….and their kids).

Found a study out of the Univ. of Michigan that showed buying more fuel efficient cars doesn’t exactly mean oil consumption goes down, and a lot of times has the opposite effect. The savings from fuel economy is either used to drive more, or to purchase more items which require petroleum.

Maybe we should start a “cash for clowns” and trade in Congressmen…Republicans and Democrats. Lets face it, some have been around way too long, waisted more gas, and spewed too much smoke.

Top Selling Vehicles so far in 2009:
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2009/08/03/472734.html

The way I see it, they should have kept the money in America and limited the rebate going to Japanese automakers. Sorry, but I don’t listen to the global order bs, and how we’re imposing on the Japanese’s sales in America when their taxes on our vehicles are huge in Japan.