Close down and transfer operations to China or Mexico. **** this bull**** union, teach these lazy uneducated ****s a lesson.

400SS, this is what youre stupid unskilled ass looks forward to: job “security” that gets threatened everytime your fat Dorito-eating ****bag leader decides he wants a pay raise and strikes. Have fun living on welfare faggot!

WOW, the unions need to go.

They are forcing production to be outsourced.

Let this be the linchpin. Bust em open and let people work under the same forces the rest of us work. And if they have to – move the work to the thriving south or west where people work hard and succeed. Our country cannot be harmed by this **** anymore.

Gotta agree with the other posters, who ever said you should be able to make more money than the market can support. If you charge more than the other guys your business won’t last long. Now if a judge is smart enough to allow GM to go to another source while AA is on strike we might see some movement to settle but otherwise I think it will be another company down the crapper thanks to the UAW.

Proud to own a UAW-built Suburban. I’m proud that I helped support a man earning a wage he can live off of. You all act like these line workers should be paid $7/hr or something.

@DeansterTJ,
Has your ignorant ass ever tried to work on a car? Ever rebuild an engine or transmission? Ever swap a motor? Its not easy and requires specialized skills. I’ve rebuilt engines only to watch them blow a rod immediately upon the first startup because I did something wrong. A vehicle is an extremely complex piece of mechanical and electrical engineering. Guys who go to be mechanics have to get specialized training and there are college education programs for automotive maintenance. You can get a degree in being an automotive electrical engineer.

The real victim here is General Motors. They have a hot selling sedan and this is going to cut into what should be Apex sales for it. I’m sure many prospective Malibu buyers will want one, go to the Chevy dealer with every intent of buying and then be turned off when there’s none available.

Also some advice for GM, stop all G6 production and put the parts to use in Malibu production. Unless of course the two aren’t interchangeable, but I’d assume they would be.

If I ruled the world I would make the union folks all read something deeper than “Star” or “O” magazine. They don’t have a clue what is happening in the world or in their own industry or just don’t give a ****. Well here’s the news to the geniuses: The U.S. auto industry is in a dog fight to survive and it won’t get easier. So the lean and tough will make it and the slow and dumb won’t. And I don’t care that some at the top make a lot of money – that’s true in every business. That’s free enterprise. The industry as a whole has to face a new way of producing the product and if they want the jobs to stay home (anywhere in the U.S.) then they all have to get on board and get with the program. And just like any other industry – if they don’t like it, get another job.

No post-HS education. No trade. No skills = No real money.

Even if you have the the above three, its no guarantee. Life is tough.

Why do UAW workers feel like high wages/benefits are their birthright ?

Autoworkers are skilled and work hard (productivity for Ford/GM has gone up). One way to look at this is that the UAW no longer has a monopoly on this skill as there are now plenty of skilled autoworkers around the world. The UAW is banking on GM coming in and forcing AA’s hand. With the market contracting the way it has been, I think GM and AA can wait them out.

While I am not in favor of “check-card” voting (someone explain why Dems belive this is more fair than anonymous voting), our “free trade” agreements are not really all that “free”. A smart politician’s position would be to say we have absolute free trade, however, whatever tariffs or restrictions a country has on our goods, we will have the same reciprocal policies. That way we don’t get penalized and continue our free trade stance.

I’m sure these union guys are pissed that their benefits are going away, but they must realize they are cutting their own throats by striking.

Look here Frylock:

No one is saying they should get paid $7 an hour. But their proposals are ****ing ridiculous. $50 an hour plus $30,000 a year in benefits and pensions and health/dental insurance for life, plus retirement packages and golden handshakes everytime somthing goes wrong? **** off.

I don’t give a **** how hard it is to put an engine together. IT’s also hard to wait tables at a busy resto-bar, ever try doing that for an 8 hour shift? How about dealing with patients who are always threatening to sue, or how about driving a ****ing cab. What about nurses, stuck at $30 an hour with minimal benefits?

The reason the two groups (union, everyone else) is locking horns is because there is a DIFFERENCE IN OPINION as to what they’re worth. Ergo, they’re not necessarily worth what they’re offering to the Auto companies.

Start an open shop next door and see what people will do the same job for. That is what the jobs are worth – what people will take for them. That is how the rest of industry basically is run. In time the worth of jobs settles out. It takes care of itself. The northeast has been run from a false economy for decades. Does it strike anyone up there why the best and strongest economies are in the west and south?

Deanster you are so ****ing dumb, and I never had a clue that being a college grad guaranteed $$$$, i’ll ask the buisiness major the next time he cleans the plates off my table at Applebee’s.

Close down and transfer operations to China or Mexico. **** this bull**** union, teach these lazy uneducated ****s a lesson.

400SS, this is what youre stupid unskilled ass looks forward to: job “security” that gets threatened everytime your fat Dorito-eating ****bag leader decides he wants a pay raise and strikes. Have fun living on welfare faggot!

Comment by DeansterTJ,…………………I thought this was about the pay cut but seeing that you suck professional major **** for a living you would know, and i work with teachers, CPA’S, law majors, financial consultants, but ? what homo, line work pays better, maybe you should consult the prime ministeror who ever the **** runs Canada and tell em you need a raise because college “entitles” more money.

I guess you see the consessions we made last year huh TugJob, and I havent had a raise since 2003, now your free to talk about fisting and education Dickster, but after you get the mail delivered and take the trash out and get the boss a cup of coffee.

San Francisco bus drivers have in their contracts that they have to be at least the second highest paid bus drivers in the country and that they are allowed unexplained absenses from work.
So don’t try taking a bus when there is a large football, baseball, basketball or boxing match going on as the drivers are all at home watching the game.

I’m not sure why the UAW turned out mediation from a US judge. Last time I checked, judges generally are impartial and understand the law better than any one of us. While striking is a right held by unions (provided they are legal), it has to be carefully used … especially in this day and age of outsourcing.

While I have very strong viewpoints of unions, I think they are necessary to protect the ‘little guy’. In this case, this is where things become very murky. Neither side is going to get all the concessions they are demanding — a compromise has to be made. Right now, GM is losing billions by the delays in production due to this strike. GM (and the other domestics) are hurting. Wouldn’t the union be ’smart’ and find a happy medium somewhere now? A lot of bad blood will remain after this strike is over … but more importantly, 1000s of jobs are on the line here. It would be awful if a big chunk of the jobs went elsewhere putting more people out of work and making the economy that much worse off …

Ooops … mediator, not judge. My bad.

lucklaster you cant think like that, there are groups of people(illegal immigrants) that will do ANY job for bare minimun to send money to the home.

Looks like American Axle is well on it’s way to becoming Mexican Axle. Way-to-go you union idiots… put more people out of work… send more American dollars across the border.

I realise the unions try to do good things for the working man… but if my choices were less pay or no pay… I think I know where I’d stand.

^ Jobs are going to Mexico regardless.

^ And I think that’s the sad reality of this situation. It is hard for the american public to get behind the union on this because they see union employees as grossly overpaid. But jesus, if we keep losing decent paying jobs to other countries, where will we be in a few years? We can’t ALL work at McDonalds with 1115…

Well look at 400horse****ssucked, all bent out of shape.

I don’t have to go to the prime minister jackass (although well done, I would never have thought a unionmonkey like you would know who runs the country) for more pay, I make enough on my own with no union and no outside help. Luckily I don’t have a boss and I don’t have to petition anyone for greater pay, I charge whatever I think is medically/ethically reasonable for the open market.

BTW, your last two posts are entirely unintelligible. Something about working with teachers, lawyers…then you lost me. Were you trying to formulate something coherent monkey? You should probably stick to drilling bolts and leave the discussion to the big boys. Cheers ****face!!!

You dont have a boss, so you do Gay porn for real, i bet you get extra for 2 in one hole, and dont forget about the money shot, but i love the way your eyes gleam when suck my dick. Cheers and wipe your chin.

So Deanster doesn’t have a boss, i guess you don’t need one to be CEO of sucking dick.

A lsesson on the perils of contracting out.

I don’t blame the UAWv 4 refusing a federal mediator
GM should step in b4 it runs out of American Axle-made rear knuckles for its Pontiac G6 and Chevrolet Malibu sedans.

Union members arean’tr a;ll lazy and uneducated ****s.

The Camry and accord will gain sales from this.

Locomiotive engineers are not heavily educated, just a lot of OJT and they can make $70 or more.

our “free trade” agreements are a joke

Utah has a good economy.

It’s sometimes good to be in a union.

Unions are necessary to protect the ‘little guy’
illegal immigrants drive wages down – mmeat packing plats that paid $16 an hour now pay $8.

What the hell country do some of you live in. And please type in english so that the few of us that do live in the U.S. can figure it out (if we care to). And YES – I do mean everything I have said on this topic – EVERYTHING.
This is free country – for all of you in those other places: that means free to work where you want to. Or not. Get that – or not. And if you don’t like something about the company you work for or if you don’t think they understand how smart you are and how much you deserve to be making a hell of a lot of money with perks like the president – then get another frigging job – or – here’s an idea – go learn another trade or train for another industry. GOT IT. The U.S. is NOT your mommy or whatever you call mommy in those other countries some of you live in. The company you work for is NOT your mommy. The economy of our country is NOT your frigging Mommy. GROW UP. Go out on your own. Take care of yourself. The industry you have fallen into is not there to baby you all your life. It is not your Mommy. Grow up. And I mean everything I say.

injunraiv: indeed. You know, as an outsider I can see that this is a systematic problem that goes much deeper than just the Domestic car market. This outsourcing bullsh!t is bleeding the economy dry and f*ckers like the UAW are at least partly responsible. They have an all-or-nothing mentality, but this is a dangerous sentiment as it could mean everyone will be out of a job sooner or later. Something has got to be done about these issues but apparently there are too many incompetents in Washington unable/unwilling to move a muscle to help the industry.

I sincerely hope, for America’s sake, that the next administration will do, whatever it takes, to right these wrongs and bring those lost jobs back where they belong.

It’s funny how 400HorseSS says he works sooooooo hard at his assembly line job but he finds time at all times of the day, during any day of the week to get on here and post. I graduated college in 2005, I started working as an engineer in a manufacturing company that supplied front and rear subframes for Nissan. The line workers DON’T DO ****. All they do is take a few parts out of a basket, throw them on a jig, then hit a button and let the welding robots that I PROGRAMMED, using the PLC logic that I WROTE, using the jig to build the part that I DESIGNED AND TESTED NIGHT AFTER NIGHT while they were asleep in their beds at 1AM in the morning and I was working a 16 hr shift to meet these ridiculous auto companies deadlines AND making much less than $30 an hour. Give me a break, 50K a year to put a few parts on and hit a button??? Thank God I got my year of experience in and I have a new engineering job where I don’t have to listen to stupid complaints and comments from these “assembly” workers and make better money. And as for Frylock 350, what kind of dumbass rebuilds an engine and it blows up on the first start? It isn’t hard to build a car, as long as you have the TIME, MONEY and TOOLS, which these so called line workers have time, since it’s their job, the money is supplied by the company, and the tools are already programmed to do the hard ****. Come on, it’s not like they’re doing something SKILLED like painting and body work. I’ve said enough, now go bitch about my post.

“So Deanster doesn’t have a boss, i guess you don’t need one to be CEO of sucking dick.”

Comment by jabari,

I AM, however, the CEO of your whoremother. How’s that little marmite-mining skank doing? The last time I saw her she was teabagging my sack while I **** all over her eyes. Then I cam in her face and gave her a Strawberry Shortcake. Look that one up, littlest homo!

Just face that fact that most of the UAW are lazy ass mofo’s and their jobs are leaving if they keep complaining about wanting ridiculous salaries. Try working on a farm or construction work, that will stop your bitching, I know because I’ve dont it, I wouldn’t complain about putting a ****ty little part on a part of a car and calling myself a “car builder” that has mad skills and needs 50K a year for my back breaking work. Now call me a ****er and go pick up your food stamps.

Im laid off Hemiheadgiver Duhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

And if you know so much Hemi you know we recieve sub-pay now go back to Applebees bussing tables you full of **** ****, an engineer is the most overrated piece of **** in the plant, now bitch about my post.

Engineers just stand around in groups looking at a frame then ask us questions on how to make the product better then you talk **** like you actually do work, eat a dick dude.

Hmmmmmm, most overated peice of **** in the plant??? You wouldn’t have a ****ing “job” if it weren’t for engineers asshole. You wouldn’t know which screw to put in which hole without an engineer holding your hand. And who the **** works at applebee’s? You obviously like to eat there alot, must be all a ****ing line work position can afford. Now go tune up your Chevy Cobalt.

So engineers made GM huh , i dont think so, the line made GM get off your high horse, and you signed up for 16 hour days and im sure your pid nicely for it, what about the line when were working 10hrs or bodyshop working 12 to 14

Engineers are so good it takes 9 of them to stare at a steering box.

Ok you obviously have some flawed ass thinking. So, instead of insulting you like everyone else, I’ll stick to a little sanity. ENGINEERS DID CREATE GM! Along with every other form of manufacturing. Yes, the workers make the part, but the part would never have been without engineers designing, testing, and BUILDING the prototypes. And I didn’t sign up for 16 hours a day, that’s why I found new job. Automotive is the worst industry to work in. And it was a JAP company, they live to work, we work to live, thats the difference. I don’t like foreign ****, I but US when I can. But, I can see why people want to send work oversea’s when people who mastly stand around ALL day want 50K a year! I’m not saying I agree with greedy CEO’s and all that, that’s another point, let’s stick to the greedy ass UAW. Why would I WANT Americans to lose their jobs? I want them to keep them, but don’t bite the hand that feeds you. Now I have to go to the damn store to get some Aleeve, thanks.

^ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ, and pick me up some cool ranch doritos.

Give me a break, 50K a year to put a few parts on and hit a button??? HemiRoadRunner…..It is ASSEMBLY LINE WORK genius.

You wouldn’t know which screw to put in which hole without an engineer holding your hand. HemiRoadRunner> so standing around looking at a frame pass is creative.

It kills me that most of these D-bags care about another man’s job, like all of a sudden GM cut UAW pay the cars and trucks will get cheaper(they wont) seriously just because some do work others are to pretty to do they shound’nt be paid properly and is 50k that much money, like the UAW will fold overnight wake the **** up people, these jobs are pretty much the only ones left just ask the military company who just lost a contract to a foreign competitor, the way some of you want it is all manufacturing jobs go to mexico or china but the nerds behind a cubicle can keep the ecomomy going………whatever.

Proud to be union bitches.

Ok, Jabari, you obviously don’t have enough brain cells to scroll up and read the REST of my posts. I WORKED WITH ASSEMBLY WORKERS! Every 5 min they call me on the radio to fix something they **** up. They stand in fron of their cells, and do repetitive work all day. It is NOT a 50K a year job! If thats what you get, well then I’m still happy for you and I hope you buy AMERICAN products with your pay. Face it, Firemen, Cops, Paramedics, Teachers are all hardworking people that get no recognition for their work, they just do it. You aren’t sweating your ass off or killing yourself to work, if you are, then I will be given a project to make YOUR work easier! And when I was an automotive engineer I didn’t have time to stand around and look at frames, unless I wanted to get home at 2AM in the morning. Don’t try and act like your something your not, face it, the UAW are a bunch of pains in the asses and YOU would be better with out them. But, I guess you would rather make 50K a year for the next 5 years than 40K a year for the next 30 years. Sounds like a plan!

So, I’m a little confused here. American Axle is offering to pay their workers $20 to $30 an hr, and the UAW is asking for around $40 to $50. More or less, I’m concerned why American Axle doesn’t simply fire the UAW workers who don’t want to work for $20 to $30 dollars an hour, which is really good I’d say personally. Is it because of some discrimination law, the whole workforce is unionized in the immediate area, or what?

What even brings up a bigger question though, is what’s running through the heads of the UAW? Obviously they are there to protect the worker, but it’s pretty obvious that from every corner of the globe, they’ve been under criticism.

^^^^ Exactly, $20 an hour is over 40K a year. But, having 40K a year isn’t worth job security for the next 10 or 20 years, no, we want 50 an hour and get paid it for 3 years before we lose our jobs and live off the government for the rest of our lives. I’m glad these people aren’t financial advisors. Do you have 401K’s???

The UAW is there to protect the worker? C’mon the UAW is there to protect the UAW.

Sorry girls its $14 an hour

And yes Stig the union is crooked as the management.

Strange hemi that you were allowed to do repairs seeing that maintenance does ALL repairs you lying bitch, try next time and hit the reset button on your B.S. game.

^^^ My B.S game? And what is with the maintenance comment? Maint has nothing to do with NEW vehicle launches and PLC programs, that’s the engineers job. Maint works on the crappy old lines that have been around and there isn’t any IMPROVEMENTS to be made. They fix a broke bolt or a tool, they don’t fix the PART your making or the PROGRAMS needed to make all that machines work that makes that part. If you understand this, then there is no explanation needed, if you don’t then no explanation is possible. I was feeling sypmathetic for you line workers facing layoffs and all, but after the attitude I’ve seen on here and the other LLN’s message boards, I know exactly why they are laying your arrogant @$$’s off. At least because of you I have a dollar menu to choose from.

Sniff, Sniff a 26 year old engineer has seen everything, im gonna go kill myself now, im useless.

Well I’m sure that I’m still older than you. Your career is obviously not so hot, but hey, at least I can afford a new car and have the option to buy what you “build”. Maybe I shouldn’t even care about other Americans working in this country since they sure have an attitude and don’t care that people like me support them. So why don’t you remind me why I would want you to have a job and support you when your such an arrogant @$$? I sure don’t remember a jap insulting me like you and the other UAW “workers” have. Maybe I’ll change my mind and become a jap lover afterall, then when you lose your job and cry I won’t feel bad.

Sniff, Sniff a 26 year old engineer has seen everything, im gonna go kill myself now, im useless.

Y’all should watch last night’s episode of The Big Bang theory

Is that the theory when we gang bang 400 horse’s mom???

Jackjimturkey’s comments are the ****, they always take my mind off of murdering 400 horse**** and 1115.

well, if your mind is on killing someone else, maybe you should go see your local scientist about that big bang theory, SOON…….