Fat chicks are like mopeds…
They’re a lot of fun to ride, you just don’t want your friends to see you on one.

The big three need to regain some self respect and either get off that moped or trade it in on a shiny new BMW.

I personally find it appalling that the majority of Union workers consist of high school drop outs and people who have never went to college yet, they get better pay and benefits than most people who had the perseverance to get a four year degree.

I know this fact for two reasons:

1 – When I was an engineer for Delphi, I was told I could not put anything on the line that required reading as some of the employees had a “limited” education and it would be against UAW policy.

2 – While working on my second degree I met a UAW employee who was pissed because she lost her GM job to outsourcing after working there for over 15 years. I asked her, “As part of your benefit package over the last 15 years, wouldn’t they pay for you to go to college to better yourself?” She said yes, they would have paid 100% of any classes she took. So why didn’t you take any I asked? Get this…

She told me it would not have been worth her time to take college classes and get a degree because any job that she would have subsequently been qualified for would have paid less than she had been currently making.

No offense to anyone reading this but, if you work in a factory all day doing relatively mundane things a high school student can be taught, your pay should be commensurate. Minimum wage or maybe a bit more, but certainly not over $60,000.00 per year (not to mention overtime that is acquired by “line slowdowns”). If you want to make more money, apply yourself and get more education.

Contrary to popular (UAW) belief strikes are not how most people get raises.

OK, I’ll get off my soapbox now.

You don’t know the difference betrween “your” and “you’re,” and expect us to believe you went co college?

I think the Big Three should have changed their relationship with the UAW when times were good. They should have given the union stock, and put in quality-based incentives.

I don’t think many of the union workers are overpaid, but the union and management are top heavy, and the UAW needs to get realistic about concessions it’ll have to make

America doesn’t have time for UAW stupidity. They need to learn the hard way I guess.

That kind of contract negotiation only happens in China.

If productivity was the problem, then why are the unions FORCING GM to produce cars it can’t even sell. It seems production is what GM has plenty of, demand is not.

So is it GM’s fault that demand is not high and why should the UaW suffer? Because it’s actually the UaW’s fault.

Their greed has forced GM to penny pinch and design their cars around MUCH tighter budgets and profit margins, forcing them to produce quality which is inferior to their competitors, without substantially less retail cost to offset it.

Maybe if the UaW wasn’t so fucking greedy, GM could sink more money back into their products to make them more competitive.

Shoot everyone who belongs to the UaW, on the grounds of treason. Why?

1. People who commit treason do harm to the nation they are committing treason against
2. The UaW are doing harm to America by helping to kill its auto industry
3. And are therefore committing treason

Just kill them all. They are worthless pieces of garbage. Kill them. Shoot them. Hunt them like animals. Set them all on fire. That’s all you need to do.

autonut’s right that there are unforgiveable excesses at the executive level, especially those execs who don’t do a good job, but the salary/beneft/legacy costs of the union reach far wider.

Union workers got fat and lazy (figuratively) on pay and benefits years ago when the going was good for the Big 3, and they kept gorging themselves year after year on more pay and benefits. The going is not good anymore, and the union needs to learn sacrifce in a big way. Airline unions since 9/11 certainly have felt the pinch.

What burns me is that the article reports that the union will work out a deal with 2/3 and then coerce the third into a better deal that’s then used to reneg on the deal with the first two and get a better deal. C’mon. I’m sure striking would have dire consequences for GM financially, esp. in the short term, but I’d also like to see what would happen….

Whaa? Unions are a dinosaur from the past. The Big 3 would love to get rid of them, but how are they going to do it?? They would almost HAVE to go bankrupt like Delphi to get a response from the unions. The union’s time in our country is over, and the sooner they are disbanded the better. They are crippling the companies they work for. Like I said in another post, to have a high school graduate driving a Porsche and making 80k+ for putting together a door on a car is ridiculous. Let the market decide salaries like everything else. If they are REALLY needed, then they should have nothing to worry about. I suspect though that a lot of them could be replaced by chickens…

I think its only fair that either Toyota’s American plants are unionized or the Big 3 is ununionized

The UAW is short sighted. They just want to suck as much money from the Big3 until the companies go under. The UAW doesnt realize helping the Big3 survive helps them keep getting paid into the future. I guess short sighted greed is what you get when you have an organization run by high school dropouts and members without the capacity to grasp the big picture.

GM should go chapter 11 and reorganize all their contracts under protection of law. If the UAW doesnt like it GM can wash its hands of the UAW completely. There are plenty of out of work autoworkers. Hire them in a union free plant – the plant stays open as long as their is no union. GM can keep playing that game long enough to be profitable.

Its time the Big3 teach the UAW a lesson. Start moving plants to cheaper countries & letting highly compensated UAW workers go. Sure it will hurt at first but it is the only way to survive long term.

Then the UAW will begin to understand a percentage of nothing is nothing. They need to compromise to keep the company cutting the checks in business.

Screw the UAW and its overpaid workers. Hopefully the workers saved their extra $20/hour becuase they will need it to live on for the rest of their lives.

That’s the lesson in life I learned from fatfucks: DON’T BE CIVIL.
Just tell them to get lost.