Comments on: UAW’s Gettelfinger opposes GM, Chrysler merger

By: beatusmongous

beatusmongous — Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:53:22 +0000

She worked in the pharmaceuticals field, not auto, so she didn’t have the same rigor that you have. But my point was that things like that can happen, and do happen, thanks to lazy individuals being protected by unions.

By: 400horseSS

400horseSS — Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:38:20 +0000

Never in my 8 yrs at GM has a rep. told me to slow down on my job, thats just ridiculous, each job has a footprint, so it doesn’t matter if you do it slower or crackhead fast, you have a certain time to do each job.

By: beatusmongous

beatusmongous — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:49:03 +0000

400, lazy people deserve to get fired. We had (operative word) lazy people in my job, too. It’s a good thing we aren’t unionized, though, or they’d still be here.

And just for the record, I’ve read many of your posts. You seem to be a hard worker, and you most likely deserve the compensation you receive. I do not doubt that. However, do you think it’s fair that someone gets the same pay as you and does almost no work? Do you think it would be fair if a union rep approached you and asked you to slow down your productivity because you made others look bad (that happened to my wife)? Why should you work hard while someone else doesn’t, and yet you both receive the same compensation? Why should you be stuck in a position while Joe Kiss@$$ gets promoted to manager because the boss likes him? Shouldn’t it be based on knowledge and productivity, instead of politics?

Yes, there are rules that protect the workers and keep workers and customers safe, but nowadays, the federal government enforces those rules.

Unions used to be good for productivity, but now they are not. And that’s almost all unions, not just the UAW.

By: 400horseSS

400horseSS — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:05:49 +0000

I love how you d-bags use the big 3 as a punching bag for your sorry delusional post, like EVERY damn job on the planet don’t have lazy ass people, come on people your smarter than that or are you ?

By: 400horseSS

400horseSS — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:03:57 +0000

^ The 2 greasy hoes above me can eat a dick.

By: BMW M1

BMW M1 — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:39:09 +0000

400Horses: we all know that every company has Unions…what you dont realize is that the UAW is bloated and a big pile of shit and almost every deal they strike ends up helping jackasses like “getsthefinger” above instead of the common worker who’s job actually might need saving. The UAW has become everything that a union shouldnt be.

Before you start yapping at my heels, let me tell you that i’ve worked for both Ford and GM and I know what im talking about.

From my time at Ford and GM, I know that even after so many job cuts there are lots of people for whom work means sitting on a chair and sleeping/solving crosswords the whole day etc. If work stops coz a machine isn’t working and it just needs to be reset, nobody is willing to do it because it is the electricians job and if someone did it the electrician might be displeased and complain. In the end, that lazy electrician can only be found after a good amount of time has passed. He was still earning above $100/hr for slacking off.

All these stifling practices have to go!!

The other unions dont have these idiotic practices, hence the unions there are PRODUCTIVE!! The Japs and Germans who are manufacturing in the US are doing the economy a favour-its basic economics. The pay the american workers, they pay their american suppliers(who hire americans)—-granted the profits go back to Germany/Japan for further R&D but this leads to new cars and tech being manufactured which will be brought at some time to the States.

So, stop spouting garbage and go get a life.

@C6Racer: lmao

By: C6Racer

C6Racer — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:57:56 +0000

The UAW can go shove it. So can the guy above me.

By: 400horseSS

400horseSS — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:38:09 +0000

Well i see gay4me is up to his old union hating garbage, its really simple people if you don’t like the union don’t support it, I dont go on blogs hoeing and crowing about how much i hate this and that and still buy their products, buy japanese and german fags, our economy will thank oyu later, you guys are a bunch of bitches, look around you there are unions everywhere and just because your job blows and does’nt pay good that YOUR dumbass fault.

By: RaineMan

RaineMan — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:58:39 +0000

On the bright side though… if Ford and GM close more plants and move production to Mexico that will mean less illegals here in the states.

By: RaineMan

RaineMan — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:56:47 +0000

The union’s time is just about up in this nation anyways… does anyone really care what this guy thinks?

By: HalGameGuru

HalGameGuru — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 05:51:19 +0000

The UAW doesn’t seem to realize they do not control the world or the markets. If these companies do not trim the UAW fat they will go under, then there will be no jobs for UAW workers anyways. Do they honestly have no idea how the jobs they fail at came to be? They do not just magically appear for UAW members like some liberal utopia. The UAW is not competitive and hasn’t been for decades. They are getting closer and closer to causing the Big 3 to turn into Mexican car companies.

By: bluecollarboy

bluecollarboy — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:01:28 +0000

Doesnt the uaw have a 2 tier wage agreement?? oh ya, if any of one of you guys were making the kind of money a uaw worker makes, you wouldnt be on here bitchin about it. everytime theres a contract, gm and chrysler seem to agree to the terms.

By: elviososa

elviososa — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 03:03:56 +0000

Let’s just close down GM and Chrysler and see if UAW is going to be bitching again.

By: Thunder Chicken

Thunder Chicken — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 02:25:53 +0000

Yes, hecti, there is: Move production to Mexico. Which is exactly where many jobs have been going. Well done, UAW…

By: hecti

hecti — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 01:37:03 +0000

i agree with 1c3dog
the big three have been shafted because of the constant increase in blue collar salaries and benefits
is there anyway to not hire uaw workers?

By: 1c3d0g

1c3d0g — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 01:04:32 +0000

I really don’t think the UAW has a damn thing to say in this matter. If anything, they f*cked it up for both companies. Right now it’s the survival of both companies as one unity, so I believe it would be wise for the UAW to keep its mouth shut and let the Domestics work it out.

By: sharpie

sharpie — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:32:41 +0000

“Gettelfinger also wasn’t happy about GM’s decision to end SUV production early in Janesville, Wisconsin”

Nobody cares if this Ghettofinger guy is happy. Let the closing of this SUV plant be a forewarning to the UAW because the situation will get worse before it gets better unfortunately. What’s better? Merge and lost “some” jobs, oh have one or both company file for bankruptcy? A bankruptcy court can undo labor contract.

By: bolex

bolex — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:21:27 +0000

“…That would mean the elimination of additional jobs..” seriously, does this guy realize whats going on with the economy? i dont get why this guy doesnt realize that GM Chrysler and Ford are in jeapordy of closing the doors…..mind boggling.

By: 441Zuke

441Zuke — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:17:12 +0000

you wanna know how fucking cushy they have it at the chrysler plant by my house they offer pet insurance for the union member this is at the plant that builds the minivans and pick up trucks. The workers were shocked recently when they closed down the minivan line

By: dl_caldwell

dl_caldwell — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:15:08 +0000

Have you seen what the executives at GM and Chrysler are making? They are getting paid millions to do what? Run the whole operation into the ground? If you want to make everyone work for “reasonable pay” let’s start at the top and work our way down.

By: beatusmongous

beatusmongous — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:12:05 +0000

Each time I see this entry, I read “Chrysler gives UAW the middle finger”…

By: golf4me

golf4me — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:23:59 +0000

What makes the most sense to me, though, is that Fiat buy ALL of Chrysler. They’ve been wanting to get back into the American market, and now have several offerings that will appeal to Americans, they get factories to build in the dollar zone, they get a dealer network, and brand names that Americans trust (stop laughing) somewhat. More than Fiat at least. Or, a chinese maker. All others really don’t make much sense because of a lot of overlap.

By: golf4me

golf4me — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:17:48 +0000

Gettlebutter knows that if they merge, they will do so in order to file BK, get rid of the contracts, and get rid of all the dead wood. Frankly I think all three should merge, go BK, and just start over. Otherwise there will probably be no US-owned car companies in a couple of years. I’d rather have one than none.

By: beatusmongous

beatusmongous — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:30:17 +0000

F3, the trouble is, they are so used to the pay and benefits, that they think the same pay and benefits should apply to EVERY job.

By: F3INT))AP3X

F3INT))AP3X — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:48:07 +0000

The Unions are so ridiculous, I wish GM could just fire every single person involved with them and then offer for them to come back to work the next day for a reasonable pay, maybe that would help some of these schmucks to realize that they work a regular job not some sort of super-job that gets them unusual benefits and pay.

By: hangonbig3

hangonbig3 — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:27:34 +0000

Do you think anyone gives a shit what the UAW thinks about anything….Those who do probably listen to who Oprah thinks should be President.

By: ricky_b

ricky_b — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:15:16 +0000

Well, duh, Ronnie. Yes, GM, Chrysler and Ford’s problems are rooted in bad management decisions but having been a salaried employee in a UAW plant (Ford) many years ago, I’m not buying the cry baby attitude that the UAW hasn’t had an impact on a lot of the decisions made. If the Big Three are to survive, they need a lean, flexible, trainable work force that’s ready to meet the challenge. The attititude of “the company owns us…” is outdated. And I don’t see Ronnie offering any good ideas on how the UAW can help the situation any.

By: golf4me

golf4me — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:12:20 +0000

yarddog, and johnny > exactly.

By: johnnycanuck

johnnycanuck — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:08:59 +0000

Unions would oppose the sun coming up in the morning if they thought they could regulate it. Never let the facts get in the way of the same old rhetoric.

By: yarddog82abn

yarddog82abn — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:57:46 +0000

I have a great idea how about UAW buys Chrysler from Cerberus Capital Management, if they are so grate I’m sure they’ll do good job with Chrysler…..

By: yarddog82abn

yarddog82abn — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:53:06 +0000

I guess UAW didn’t read the “Cerberus Wants to keep stake in Chrysler” article.
LLN send them a memo would-ya

By: tzu13

tzu13 — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:46:50 +0000

One more reason that all union workers should be “consolidated” out of a job in favor of people who are willing to work for a fair wage.