Comments on: “Unsafe is safe?” European cities do away with traffic signs http://www.leftlanenews.com/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs.html Car news, reviews, and specs for the auto-industry Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:02:49 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: keverly http://www.leftlanenews.com/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs.html/comment-page-1#comment-282649 keverly Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:41:47 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/11/20/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs/#comment-282649 Carmel, Indiana has been doing this for a couple years and it BLOWS. Carmel, Indiana has been doing this for a couple years and it BLOWS.

]]> By: RustedEmpire http://www.leftlanenews.com/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs.html/comment-page-1#comment-281960 RustedEmpire Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:45:27 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/11/20/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs/#comment-281960 I love roundabouts they work perfectly The United States lack roundabouts here and there...there is some in a neighborhood in houston within a four way stop intersection which doesn't make sense... when you have a roundabout, you must yield, not stop and then yield... but yea I love them I love roundabouts

they work perfectly
The United States lack roundabouts here and there…there is some in a neighborhood in houston within a four way stop intersection which doesn’t make sense…
when you have a roundabout, you must yield, not stop and then yield…
but yea I love them

]]> By: theshadow http://www.leftlanenews.com/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs.html/comment-page-1#comment-281923 theshadow Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:12:16 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/11/20/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs/#comment-281923 Would work perfectly well in a low-to medium traffic situation, but if the traffic gets heavy prepare for gridlock punctuated by brief suicidal lunges through cross-traffic! Um, and I think the rule is to yield to the left, except in the UK. Would work perfectly well in a low-to medium traffic situation, but if the traffic gets heavy prepare for gridlock punctuated by brief suicidal lunges through cross-traffic!

Um, and I think the rule is to yield to the left, except in the UK.

]]> By: Aussie#1 http://www.leftlanenews.com/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs.html/comment-page-1#comment-281874 Aussie#1 Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:22:18 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/11/20/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs/#comment-281874 Very Stupid Very Stupid

]]> By: black http://www.leftlanenews.com/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs.html/comment-page-1#comment-281866 black Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:17:26 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/11/20/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs/#comment-281866 At a area I frequent in CA, there is only a few stop signs (excluding the ones that lead to highway 1). Most intersections there have no traffic signs or markers whatsoever. At a area I frequent in CA, there is only a few stop signs (excluding the ones that lead to highway 1). Most intersections there have no traffic signs or markers whatsoever.

]]> By: Egbert Souse http://www.leftlanenews.com/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs.html/comment-page-1#comment-281854 Egbert Souse Tue, 21 Nov 2006 04:02:41 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/11/20/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs/#comment-281854 In Miami roundabouts are used quite they work pretty effectively. I like them, you dont stop moving, way better than stop signs or traffic lights. In Miami roundabouts are used quite they work pretty effectively. I like them, you dont stop moving, way better than stop signs or traffic lights.

]]> By: Bimmer http://www.leftlanenews.com/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs.html/comment-page-1#comment-281824 Bimmer Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:28:13 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/11/20/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs/#comment-281824 Hyperion, speed bumps also slow down emergency vehicles. Hyperion, speed bumps also slow down emergency vehicles.

]]> By: LamborghiniZ http://www.leftlanenews.com/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs.html/comment-page-1#comment-281818 LamborghiniZ Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:17:36 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/11/20/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs/#comment-281818 So progressive, so cool So progressive, so cool

]]> By: Fatstrat http://www.leftlanenews.com/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs.html/comment-page-1#comment-281813 Fatstrat Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:01:38 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/11/20/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs/#comment-281813 No signs will leave jurisdictions open to litigation IMHO. I think this will be a short lived experiment. No signs will leave jurisdictions open to litigation IMHO. I think this will be a short lived experiment.

]]> By: Hyperion http://www.leftlanenews.com/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs.html/comment-page-1#comment-281812 Hyperion Mon, 20 Nov 2006 22:44:21 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/11/20/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs/#comment-281812 I hate speed bumps with a passion. They are useless to slow down the people they were intended to target and the rest of us are forced to drive over them and get jolted around. I own, drive and prefer cars lower to the ground with stiffer suspensions. My car's suspension is not modified. Every time I encounter speed bumps, I must slow down to nearly a complete stop, disengage and re-engage my clutch, and speed up again, only to repeat the process a few dozen feet down the road. Many drivers with large and small vehicles alike just plow on through those speed bumps. You can hear the suspensions of small sedans bottoming out as they cross over them. It's annoying to deal with and even more annoying to see folks drive right on through them at full speed. You bet I take every opportunity to drive around speed bumps! I hate speed bumps with a passion.

They are useless to slow down the people they were intended to target and the rest of us are forced to drive over them and get jolted around. I own, drive and prefer cars lower to the ground with stiffer suspensions. My car’s suspension is not modified.

Every time I encounter speed bumps, I must slow down to nearly a complete stop, disengage and re-engage my clutch, and speed up again, only to repeat the process a few dozen feet down the road.

Many drivers with large and small vehicles alike just plow on through those speed bumps. You can hear the suspensions of small sedans bottoming out as they cross over them.

It’s annoying to deal with and even more annoying to see folks drive right on through them at full speed. You bet I take every opportunity to drive around speed bumps!

]]> By: Ricardo Head http://www.leftlanenews.com/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs.html/comment-page-1#comment-281810 Ricardo Head Mon, 20 Nov 2006 22:18:55 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/11/20/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs/#comment-281810 You do in the USA, Onur. . Shit, here we have remind people that "Objects In Mirror Are Closer Than They Appear" because people are too retarded to figure that out, and then Ford gets sued when someone yells "duhhh mirra be warped!" and some jackass judge/jury agrees. You just put 65 on a sign here and people will claim it is a reminder for their retirement age. You do in the USA, Onur.
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****, here we have remind people that “Objects In Mirror Are Closer Than They Appear” because people are too retarded to figure that out, and then Ford gets sued when someone yells “duhhh mirra be warped!” and some jackass judge/jury agrees. You just put 65 on a sign here and people will claim it is a reminder for their retirement age.

]]> By: onur http://www.leftlanenews.com/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs.html/comment-page-1#comment-281804 onur Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:20:25 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/11/20/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs/#comment-281804 The amount of road signs really overwhelmed me when I first came to the U.S. There is no way of looking at the road if you try to pay attention to all of them. And most of these signs have much more than just pictures or numbers on them. Speed limit signs for examle. Why the hell it writes "speed limit" on all of them? Just put a black and white (rectangular) sign that reads 65. That's it. That's how it is in Europe, just a red-white circle and 130 written on it. The reason we have signs is to give the information as quickly as possible. Most signs in U.S. are not doing that. Like the "buckle up for the next milloin miles" sign. What the hell is that?! You don't have to put the whole law books on the road!! The amount of road signs really overwhelmed me when I first came to the U.S. There is no way of looking at the road if you try to pay attention to all of them. And most of these signs have much more than just pictures or numbers on them. Speed limit signs for examle. Why the hell it writes “speed limit” on all of them? Just put a black and white (rectangular) sign that reads 65. That’s it. That’s how it is in Europe, just a red-white circle and 130 written on it. The reason we have signs is to give the information as quickly as possible. Most signs in U.S. are not doing that. Like the “buckle up for the next milloin miles” sign. What the hell is that?! You don’t have to put the whole law books on the road!!

]]> By: gsh http://www.leftlanenews.com/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs.html/comment-page-1#comment-281803 gsh Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:19:44 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/11/20/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs/#comment-281803 that asshole student in UCLA deserved to get tazered...this is America not Iran...there are rules. Can you imagine America without rules? It would be like Mad Max where people who drive Hummers really do have an advantage! that asshole student in UCLA deserved to get tazered…this is America not Iran…there are rules. Can you imagine America without rules? It would be like Mad Max where people who drive Hummers really do have an advantage!

]]> By: GL1 http://www.leftlanenews.com/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs.html/comment-page-1#comment-281801 GL1 Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:16:05 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/11/20/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs/#comment-281801 This is how most of europe deals with traffic... seems to work weel for them anyway... I'd like an autobahn here in the US... probably get a lot of people killed here in the US though... This is how most of europe deals with traffic… seems to work weel for them anyway… I’d like an autobahn here in the US… probably get a lot of people killed here in the US though…

]]> By: Kaptain75329 http://www.leftlanenews.com/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs.html/comment-page-1#comment-281800 Kaptain75329 Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:14:19 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/11/20/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs/#comment-281800 ^^^ ...unless you live in Washington DC. ;) ^^^ …unless you live in Washington DC. ;)

]]> By: Piablo http://www.leftlanenews.com/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs.html/comment-page-1#comment-281796 Piablo Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:38:18 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/11/20/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs/#comment-281796 And on a side note, if you are one of the people that think every driver out there is an idiot, always cutting you off, and always in your way, you are probably part of the problem ;) And on a side note, if you are one of the people that think every driver out there is an idiot, always cutting you off, and always in your way, you are probably part of the problem ;)

]]> By: Jaguar Sovereign http://www.leftlanenews.com/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs.html/comment-page-1#comment-281790 Jaguar Sovereign Mon, 20 Nov 2006 19:33:11 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/11/20/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs/#comment-281790 My neighborhood has what the city planners call "traffic Calming" which includes speed bumps, curb extensions, lane closures, Traffic Circles etc. All of the signs that go along wiht this plan do not calm traffic, In fact it angers them, they put in the speed bumps to slow people down, now they drive on the sidewalk to avoid the bumps in the road. hoever the traffic circles are a great idea, they keep the traffic moving and once everybody learns how to use them accidents are almost non-existent. this sounds like a great idea. My neighborhood has what the city planners call “traffic Calming” which includes speed bumps, curb extensions, lane closures, Traffic Circles etc. All of the signs that go along wiht this plan do not calm traffic, In fact it angers them, they put in the speed bumps to slow people down, now they drive on the sidewalk to avoid the bumps in the road. hoever the traffic circles are a great idea, they keep the traffic moving and once everybody learns how to use them accidents are almost non-existent. this sounds like a great idea.

]]> By: Andre Neves http://www.leftlanenews.com/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs.html/comment-page-1#comment-281787 Andre Neves Mon, 20 Nov 2006 19:12:46 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/11/20/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs/#comment-281787 Or we can start UCLA training on all current patrol officers. So that way, if you ef up, you get tazered. LoL jk BTW, my previous post is not to offend all Americans in general. I myself was born, raised, and currently living in the U.S. Booya! Or we can start UCLA training on all current patrol officers. So that way, if you ef up, you get tazered. LoL jk

BTW, my previous post is not to offend all Americans in general. I myself was born, raised, and currently living in the U.S. Booya!

]]> By: Andre Neves http://www.leftlanenews.com/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs.html/comment-page-1#comment-281786 Andre Neves Mon, 20 Nov 2006 19:10:20 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/11/20/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs/#comment-281786 This wouldn't work here. Americans in general are VERY irresponsible when it comes to driving already as it is. Too busy talking on the phone, text messaging, eating, drinking, etc. Instead of focusing their attention on driving, they do everything but. Why do you think there is so much relying on Navigation systems in this country? If they want to increase safety they need to "enforce the laws that already exist" because they go ahead and try new things. Start by suspending(without "warnings") licenses when an officer sees a driver do anything along the lines of what I listed above, while they are driving. That'll put a scare in the public and hopefully would change their driving behaviors. I think what is stated in this article could be possible in this country, but only in the future...the FAR, FAR, future. This wouldn’t work here. Americans in general are VERY irresponsible when it comes to driving already as it is. Too busy talking on the phone, text messaging, eating, drinking, etc. Instead of focusing their attention on driving, they do everything but. Why do you think there is so much relying on Navigation systems in this country?
If they want to increase safety they need to “enforce the laws that already exist” because they go ahead and try new things. Start by suspending(without “warnings”) licenses when an officer sees a driver do anything along the lines of what I listed above, while they are driving. That’ll put a scare in the public and hopefully would change their driving behaviors.

I think what is stated in this article could be possible in this country, but only in the future…the FAR, FAR, future.

]]> By: Hyperion http://www.leftlanenews.com/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs.html/comment-page-1#comment-281785 Hyperion Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:59:57 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/11/20/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs/#comment-281785 It would not work in the USA. I'll go as far to say that it may not even work in anything other than moderately sized cities and towns. I hope they are right, however, and it does prove to be a better system. That would be very interesting. The entire world has become so familiar with the car as personal transportation, maybe we actually could try new regulation of small roads. Of course, they ARE better trained over there... and more polite. Alas. It would not work in the USA. I’ll go as far to say that it may not even work in anything other than moderately sized cities and towns.

I hope they are right, however, and it does prove to be a better system. That would be very interesting. The entire world has become so familiar with the car as personal transportation, maybe we actually could try new regulation of small roads.

Of course, they ARE better trained over there… and more polite. Alas.

]]> By: Renton http://www.leftlanenews.com/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs.html/comment-page-1#comment-281784 Renton Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:22:46 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/11/20/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs/#comment-281784 Agreed... this will never work in the US. People already say "fukk you" to most traffic signs and regulations. Of course driver training here in the US is almost non-existent, so it is no wonder nobody obeys any rules. If it was not for taxes, socialized medicine, and the whole language thing, I'd move there. They get all the better cars anyway. Agreed… this will never work in the US. People already say “fukk you” to most traffic signs and regulations.

Of course driver training here in the US is almost non-existent, so it is no wonder nobody obeys any rules.

If it was not for taxes, socialized medicine, and the whole language thing, I’d move there. They get all the better cars anyway.

]]> By: rey323 http://www.leftlanenews.com/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs.html/comment-page-1#comment-281783 rey323 Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:22:13 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/11/20/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs/#comment-281783 Another reason why it wouldn't work here is that these signs and rules oftentimes help determine who's at fault in an accident. Without the ability to assign blame, how will the insurance companies and lawyers make their money? Another reason why it wouldn’t work here is that these signs and rules oftentimes help determine who’s at fault in an accident. Without the ability to assign blame, how will the insurance companies and lawyers make their money?

]]> By: buenos http://www.leftlanenews.com/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs.html/comment-page-1#comment-281779 buenos Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:49:49 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/11/20/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs/#comment-281779 Cool.. it would be like driving in Quebec where "Arret" or Stop, is merely a suggestion.... Cool.. it would be like driving in Quebec where “Arret” or Stop, is merely a suggestion….

]]> By: Foster http://www.leftlanenews.com/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs.html/comment-page-1#comment-281777 Foster Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:47:48 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/11/20/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs/#comment-281777 Well Right turns are safer but I imagine when you make a left turn you wouldnt be used to it. Good point about it not working here. That and the city wouldnt get enought money from tickets. Well Right turns are safer but I imagine when you make a left turn you wouldnt be used to it.
Good point about it not working here. That and the city wouldnt get enought money from tickets.

]]> By: Brendino http://www.leftlanenews.com/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs.html/comment-page-1#comment-281775 Brendino Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:37:09 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/11/20/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs/#comment-281775 I thought this was from the Onion when I first read it.. interesting concept though. I thought this was from the Onion when I first read it..
interesting concept though.

]]> By: Asher http://www.leftlanenews.com/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs.html/comment-page-1#comment-281770 Asher Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:29:25 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/11/20/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs/#comment-281770 Oh, and the reason it wouldnt work here in the States is because "socially responsible behavior" does not exist here and is even looked down upon... Oh, and the reason it wouldnt work here in the States is because “socially responsible behavior” does not exist here and is even looked down upon…

]]> By: Asher http://www.leftlanenews.com/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs.html/comment-page-1#comment-281769 Asher Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:27:09 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/11/20/unsafe-is-safe-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs/#comment-281769 If this articles real, then wow, that shit would NEVER work in the US!! And the first time I was in a round-about, just a few weeks ago, I drove around in circles 3 times before finally getting off at the wrong exit point - I swear I started laughing my ass off in the car by myself as I pictured myself as I was doing an exact replica of Chevy Chase in European Vacation! If this articles real, then wow, that **** would NEVER work in the US!! And the first time I was in a round-about, just a few weeks ago, I drove around in circles 3 times before finally getting off at the wrong exit point – I swear I started laughing my ass off in the car by myself as I pictured myself as I was doing an exact replica of Chevy Chase in European Vacation!

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