scheisse!

If we really wanted to end illegal immigration it could be done:
3 words
confiscation and auction

As far as not working for greedy, crooked companies, I think you’re right. If the best workers left those dogs, stuff would change

deantj: anybody who would be a good teacher would make more money doing something else. $30K would be OK in South Dakota, but in SOuthern California?
I hate having my kids in public school here, because their taking nthe same lessons they took in nebraska last year. Oh, Well.

Furthermore, I think the Automakers need to extract concessions from the UAW that allow them to easily get rid of lazy, incompetent workers.

R-head, as usual, you have an intelligent bit to add to the discussion

Jjay: China will have to make cars with better crash ratings, or they’ll never make it here

-Limit the amount of foreign cars made in the United States based on car class. Luxury cars would not face the same limit as normal cars, bought by median income people.
-Put a minor tax on imported cars. If the amount of cars limited to be produced in America from foreign based companies, there wouldn’t be a need for a stringent tax- the importation costs would for the most part make up for that.
-Ban cars with low crash test ratings, from low cost markets. China’s one of these markets. For the time being, they need to get on top of their game, considering safety, materials, and style, but if they were to import an extremely cheap car to the United States that barely passed safety stringents then it would most likely take alot of market from low income, to medium income individuals. This wouldn’t effect cars made in higher cost markets.

Fuck that, they don’t deserve a penny more than the 30k they make. That’s more than enough.

If you believe that you deserve more compensation, but your employer doesn’t reward hard work, then you should seek out a company that does. I’ve done it. I believe that is the best way to deal with crooked or greedy companies; not by strong-arming the money mongers into sharing a greater portion of their spoils with you.

If enough people avoided working for stingy employers, I would assume they would either have to increase compensation packages or eventually risk being forced out of business for various reasons. But, unfortunately with our illegal immigration problem, cheap-er labor is only an unsecured border away.

The UAW is necessary to workers, but it can create problems. When GM’s headcount decreases, they scream bad management. And they create a problem with workers not working hard, since they’re protected by the UAW. I’m not saying work them sweat and blood, but a lazy worker protected by the UAW is obviously bad. When they clear out the factory of employees, and with disagreements in health care which is an issue even I don’t even fully understand, then the UAW intervenes. There have been many problems caused by the UAW, noticeably since 1996 when Ford created it’s agreement with the UAW.

Not in a California carpool lane- I’m talking about the East Coast. I’ve seen American hybrids on East Coast carpool lanes, legal or not!

More or less the rebates are just there for more people to buy the cars- that’s part of the reason why they sell so fast. And then everybody argues that the fuel economy takes 3-5 years to get back what you paid for. Most people keep their vehicles for 6-8 years, so that’s nullified. You do save money with a hybrid, but just like dealers going below MSRP a rebate is partly to attract customers and get them off the lot fast.

Car pool lanes, with hybrid drivers and one passenger- is a bit stupid. Just another reason to get them off the lot.

California has some odd laws that I disagree with- don’t worry about spelling, most people have the grammar of a six year old anyways!

There is a lot of racism going around, but let’s not worry about the discrepancy in sentencing for crack and powder dealers. Let’s worry about raising teacher salaries and getting the thugs out of our schools.
Sink or swim.

jjay: Why blame the UAW? Unions are necessary. The only recent I have a geed wage/benefit, is the company’s fear that we’ll unionize.
UAW needs to make concessions, but the company should have gone in a different direction years ago, by giving the UAW stock. That way, the union and company’s health are interdependent

If you’ve seen an escape hybrid in a Cali carpool lane, it was breaking the law. Don’t know much about the aura hybrid, but as of November ’06, only Prii, Civics and Insights are allowed.

I’m opposed to letting single-driver hybrids in. Or hybrid tax rebates. Fuel efficiency is its own reward

I hate it when I make a grammatical error and notice it after it’s posted.

“This ridiculous healthcare system that allows ambulance chasers to sue the scrubs off the doctors”

The old “frivolous lawsuit” claim. ither the problem is dumb judges who don’t laughthe few frivoulos lawsuits that actually exist out of court immediately, or doctors who keep screwing up.

No legitimate lawyer’s going to take a case if there’s not a valid claim. “Frivolous lawsuits,” are invented by corrupt politicians at the behest of their owners, the giant, faceless insurance companies.

I’m going to let you in on a little secret — there are black folks who don’t know what the hell their doing, and if you call one of these people incompetent, you’re right.

Building stuff here isn’t the solution either. With all due intent the majority of that money earned by these foreign based companies goes back overseas, as already stated. Even if they have factories here, they will be pulling more money out of the USA then they will deposit. The National Deficit will only increase. For the most part, imports are less common, and are brought over in smaller numbers.

What we need to do is get our market back- It’s part GM, Ford and Chrysler’s fault, being behind the market. Chrysler and GM in many cases have been behind quality, and so has Ford, albeit in less cases. But it’s not all to the fault of GM, Ford and Chrysler- Unions, health care costs and ignorant media is part of the cause too.

Taxes on automotive manufacturers that have home markets outside of the United States would help. Maybe having a limit on the amount of import automobiles produced in the USA would be a good idea- Ford, GM and Chrysler could get some of their market share back, but still have to compete with Honda and Toyota. A stringent limit isn’t what I’m speaking of, but a limit large enough to give automotive manufacturers founded and based in the USA some market back, and still have to compete. Like I said, if there’s no reason to compete, why should Ford, GM and Chrysler continue with this restructuring plan?

If we’re on the same page, HOV lanes that is Jackjim, I’ve seen Ford Escape Hybrids and Saturn Aura hybrids on HOV lanes too, with one or few passengers.

The US currently faces a large trade deficit, and has been for too long of a time. What’s wrong with importing more than we export? It has everything to do with where the money is going. Even though Honda, Toyota, BMW, Hyundai, and others manufacture vehicles here in the states, for all intents and purposes those vehicles can still be considered imports. The profits still head back to Japan, Germany and Korea. Our factory workers receive a very small portion of the profits, but it’s a drop in the bucket when compared to the overall profits being sent out of the US. Add up all of the exchanging money, what we pay for imports, and what we receive for exports, and this country is losing money. Our national wealth is diminishing. Think of your household income. If you purchase more than you make, you will eventually go broke. Think of Toyota as a your kid with a minimum wage job while they still live in the house. The money they make does not go to the household income, and they still reap the benefits of living in that household. Now think of having many kids in your house…. It’s time to raise the rent so they start contributing to the household income.

So there are a couple choices here: start levying these new taxes to help offset the major imbalance, or start looking at the laws that are hand stringing the US auto companies. Unions? This ridiculous healthcare system that allows ambulance chasers to sue the scrubs off the doctors, outrageous corporate taxes… I vote for the latter.

My plan would allow you to buy an italian-built Countach (Or a mexican-built VW) You’d just have to handle the importation yourself

jJay: I’ve only sen those stickers on Insights abnd Prii, but i think thhe Honda Civic is eligible as well.

Ford, as you can imagine, was extremely angered at having the law written away from them.

jJay: There would be a ban on importing, not on a foreign owned company building products here. I think it’s assinine that two companies doing the same thing should be taxed at a different rate.

I’m not saying add taxes, I’m just saying, get other companies to build stuff here.

You didn’t even metion the Alaskan oil

Piablo: there’s a difference between being a racist and saying something racist. Hell, I say all kinds of politically incorrect stuff when I’m driving, but I love all stripes of women, from torrance to thailand, riverside to romania and Norwalk to nigeria

California has quite a few weird things to it…

And besides that, if taxes are created, and Honda and Toyota loose market, what’s the point for GM, Ford and Chrysler to keep moving on with this restructuring plan? Then we’ll be complaining…

What I also find funny is some of the same people who cry for more taxing of “the rich” in this country complaining about a tariff increase on rich foreign companies. Gee, is there any reason why we wonder if libs really do hate America?? Don’t misconstrue this as support for this tariff increase, because I don’t. But I can say my reasons for not supporting it are completely different. If they raise the cost for them to manufacture, they raise the cost for us to buy. Quite different from simply feeling it’s ‘wrong’ to tax a foreign company in the interest of our economy. Someone here with apparent above average intelligence did correctly point out that most other countries on this tiny planet do protect their own interests, because they have PRIDE.

BOT ONLY TOYONDA HYBRIDS!

It’s like some twisted Escher painting. It’s like a jackass drawing another jackass in front of a mirror, forever.

lots of black folks came to detroit from the South to work in auto plants (equal pay eith whites)

when people want to disparage american auto workers now, they often portray them as picaninnies or something.

I was actually born in Michigan and lived in nebraska 5 years.

The detroit metro area is heavily segregated

you are sooooooooooooooooooooo bogus, like gag me with a torque wrench

“Detroit autoworker,” in this context means a UAW member who builds personal vehicles.

Robert:

Foreign investment is not a bad thing. Foreign debt ….

That’s brilliant — tax Toyota, Honda, M-B for producing their import brand vehicles in the US and employing American workers. Who will employ these people when said carmakers decide to import 100% of their product instead of pay the tax?

I was unaware that all autoworkers are black but I guess since you are from Nebraska and southern Cal that makes you the expert on this mysterious “autoworker race.” Oh, and mind you, not all autoworkers are from Detroit the last I checked, not that it matters because the last I checked Detroit also has diversified beyond the mysterious “autoworker race” about which you seem to be an expert.

Must be like, righteously awesome JimJack-dude, to like, be from Nebraska and soCal dude, because you like, know like everything ’bout the autoworker race & shit, dude.

Stopping foreign investment (in any form) here would be the stupidest thing we can do right now. The U.S. economy is surviving because the world economy is booming. We supported the world through the last world recession, and now they’ve got our back. Not intentionally, it’s just how the markets work.

I hate politics, and politicians even more.

I live in sothern california.

Used to live in nebraska

that sounded like some stereotypical dumb detroit aoutoworker who thinks the white man owes him something

We should stop worshiping these foreign oil companies. There’s oil here, too

head: what kind of racist “ebonical” shit is that?

jJay:

Honda and toyota wouldn’t give up the market.
Part of my complicated plan would allow you to buy a foreign-built cvar abrouad and import it yourself. People would do that with a Ferrari, not with a toyota

Elvio:

I didn’t vote for those criminals

It’s sort of hypocritic to me. Ford’s strongest sales are in Europe right now, not in the US. Although it’s most potential value is to be met in the US, it’s making more profit in Europe.

So ban/tax companies that are making a profit that are foreign based? That’s not the solution…
If this went through, and let’s say they banned Ford and GM from the European market, we would most likely have no car market at all in the US.

Yeah, and domestic automakers shouldn’t be allowed to peddle anywhere outside of the US.

We should also ban all sales of foreign oil here in the US as well.

FORD and GM, and Chrysler (who makes most of their stuff in Canada and Mexico) would not be effected.

But Protectionism? I would have to agree with the immediate implications of such a bill. I do think that it would effect foreign investment in the US, which is one reason why this bill may not pass. The problem is getting a fair and reasonable share of that money through taxation that does not penalize foreign companies. Of course, one cent above what is now would upset most of theses companies.

But there is the more pressing problem of domestic companies being taxed out the butt to bring some of the money they make overseas home and invest it back into the US. The rate is high and the tax code for it is painfully complex. FORD, let’s say, makes a killing in Europe and wants to build some new factories or some such in the US, but sees how much they will loss to taxes compared to how much Mercedes -Benz or Toyota would have to spend to set up a new factory and Ford simply says, forget it we’ll keep the money over in Europe or we’ll go to China.

I’ve got a complicated idea for that, but it would work and cost no american jobs

No they’ll say “Damn, I have to credit a Saturn”

LOL, I can see the great minds in Washington thinking so. For me, it’ll be “Can I afford that Toyota now?” or “xxxx, I have to buy a Hyundai!”

I have to say this is one of the dumbest ideas that’s come out on here for quite some time. What other stupid ideas does your Government come up with?
Star a war?

Oh.. hang on… umm…