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		<title>By: JIM KLEIN WATER FUEL HYDROGEN CAR</title>
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		<dc:creator>JIM KLEIN WATER FUEL HYDROGEN CAR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 02:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Video: revolutionary water-based power for cars?  While Klein&#8217;s idea sound promising, there has been some dispute &#8230; run on hydrogen, just like every fuel cell concept and bmw hydrogen car has for years&#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: WATER POWERED CAR GM PATENT</title>
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		<dc:creator>WATER POWERED CAR GM PATENT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 02:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Video: revolutionary water-based power for cars?  &#8230; new electrolysis process that he claims could revolutionize how cars are powered. &#8230; The patent itself claims that the car&#8217;s alternator electrolyzes the water to &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Video: revolutionary water-based power for cars?  &#8230; new electrolysis process that he claims could revolutionize how cars are powered. &#8230; The patent itself claims that the car&#8217;s alternator electrolyzes the water to &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Resource Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/video-revolutionary-water-based-power-for-cars.html#comment-508941</link>
		<dc:creator>Resource Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Resource Guy...&lt;/strong&gt;

Hi I was looking for Denny Klein Water Power on Saturday, when I came across your Hillary Is 44 &quot; Blog Archive &quot; Levi Johnston Poses Nude page.  ;) Thanks and i think this site some more on this …I am a bit confused!  Check out my site for more infor...</description>
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<p>Hi I was looking for Denny Klein Water Power on Saturday, when I came across your Hillary Is 44 &#8221; Blog Archive &#8221; Levi Johnston Poses Nude page.  <img src='http://www.leftlanenews.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  Thanks and i think this site some more on this …I am a bit confused!  Check out my site for more infor&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: UH</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/video-revolutionary-water-based-power-for-cars.html#comment-263631</link>
		<dc:creator>UH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 23:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The goverment seeks to elimate alternative full sources that they themselves cannot control or profit from. Anyone who has invented a process and went public has been killed, disappeared or sold their patents/work (obviously against their will) and have become hermits.

I&#039;m not a conspiracy nut. I only speak up because I witnessed this first hand.
I lived next door to a nice fellow who in the late 80&#039;s made such claims, a few months after going public, he was killed. His killer has never been found. Many men in suits came into his house, and unloaded all his &quot;work&quot; and I never heard anything about it again. 

What does the goverment do when a company tries to bypass our need for oil? Check it out at www.switchtohydrogen.com

The goverment has issued an injuction, stopping them from obtaining a chemical critical in generating your own hydrogen harmlessly and best of all FREE. 

Hydrogen based cars are nothing new, but the solar powered hydrogen generators they were/are prepaired to sell us are.

Open your eyes people. There is alot of misinformation out there, and I believe the gov etc.. is behind it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The goverment seeks to elimate alternative full sources that they themselves cannot control or profit from. Anyone who has invented a process and went public has been killed, disappeared or sold their patents/work (obviously against their will) and have become hermits.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a conspiracy nut. I only speak up because I witnessed this first hand.<br />
I lived next door to a nice fellow who in the late 80&#8242;s made such claims, a few months after going public, he was killed. His killer has never been found. Many men in suits came into his house, and unloaded all his &#8220;work&#8221; and I never heard anything about it again. </p>
<p>What does the goverment do when a company tries to bypass our need for oil? Check it out at <a href="http://www.switchtohydrogen.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.switchtohydrogen.com</a></p>
<p>The goverment has issued an injuction, stopping them from obtaining a chemical critical in generating your own hydrogen harmlessly and best of all FREE. </p>
<p>Hydrogen based cars are nothing new, but the solar powered hydrogen generators they were/are prepaired to sell us are.</p>
<p>Open your eyes people. There is alot of misinformation out there, and I believe the gov etc.. is behind it.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/video-revolutionary-water-based-power-for-cars.html#comment-258209</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 01:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are great observations and statements being made here. It seems &quot;We&quot; are on the right track here, by trying to find a solution for the ever increasing price for transportation. The BIG OIL guys have all the backing financially to buy up the little guys ideas,whether they are 100% accurate or not.  If they are close in their calculations it doesn&#039;t matter. They are quickly silenced.  And if the are some how original in their formula&#039;s, the Big Oil guys are the sole owners of this idea..... Solution!!!  Start a group to buy up or research these ideas instead of selling them to BO guys..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are great observations and statements being made here. It seems &#8220;We&#8221; are on the right track here, by trying to find a solution for the ever increasing price for transportation. The BIG OIL guys have all the backing financially to buy up the little guys ideas,whether they are 100% accurate or not.  If they are close in their calculations it doesn&#8217;t matter. They are quickly silenced.  And if the are some how original in their formula&#8217;s, the Big Oil guys are the sole owners of this idea&#8230;.. Solution!!!  Start a group to buy up or research these ideas instead of selling them to BO guys..</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/video-revolutionary-water-based-power-for-cars.html#comment-193291</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 04:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I smell a rat. Back in 1976, someone came out with a water injection unit, which was said to make a car with a V8 get 66 miles per gallon of gas improvement.

GM was suppose to have bought it from the inventor and paid him 5 million dollars, then never produced it. Being that was 30 years ago it seems that they thought I would not remember this.

So if anyone did some research they will find this tobe another hoax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I smell a rat. Back in 1976, someone came out with a water injection unit, which was said to make a car with a V8 get 66 miles per gallon of gas improvement.</p>
<p>GM was suppose to have bought it from the inventor and paid him 5 million dollars, then never produced it. Being that was 30 years ago it seems that they thought I would not remember this.</p>
<p>So if anyone did some research they will find this tobe another hoax.</p>
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		<title>By: stew</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/video-revolutionary-water-based-power-for-cars.html#comment-174526</link>
		<dc:creator>stew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 02:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any ten year old can put the end of a hose into a tank of water that is elevated put the other end at some lower elevation and then by inputting only one little suck, start a flow of water that will continue for as long as the earths weather refills the tank for him.  And all of you skeptics know that the flow he created can be used to perform work.  He doesn&#039;t have to violate the laws of thermal dynamics.  And he doesn&#039;t have to create or destroy energy.  He is simply focusing the effects of static energy {that of gravity in this case} already present in his enviroment to produce many more times the potential for work to be performed than the energy it took for him to suck on the hose.  So quite arguing about perpetual motion and start trying to figure out how to focus a little of the massive amount of potential energy to use to produce work that already exists all around us everywhere.  I think a lot of you skeptics could benefit from the use of a little common sense and some time spent thinking about the positive rather than the negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any ten year old can put the end of a hose into a tank of water that is elevated put the other end at some lower elevation and then by inputting only one little suck, start a flow of water that will continue for as long as the earths weather refills the tank for him.  And all of you skeptics know that the flow he created can be used to perform work.  He doesn&#8217;t have to violate the laws of thermal dynamics.  And he doesn&#8217;t have to create or destroy energy.  He is simply focusing the effects of static energy {that of gravity in this case} already present in his enviroment to produce many more times the potential for work to be performed than the energy it took for him to suck on the hose.  So quite arguing about perpetual motion and start trying to figure out how to focus a little of the massive amount of potential energy to use to produce work that already exists all around us everywhere.  I think a lot of you skeptics could benefit from the use of a little common sense and some time spent thinking about the positive rather than the negative.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/video-revolutionary-water-based-power-for-cars.html#comment-174366</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone thought that maybe the key here is releasing the oxygen from the H2O and mixing it with the fuel? Now you have oxygenated fuel which should burn more completely than Gasoline alone.  Therefore he may actually be releasing energy that would have previously gone out the tailpipe as hydrocarbon emissions. That being said, this still sounds a little fishy to me and I would still like to see some peer reviewed journals on the subject as better evidence that combining HHO or H2 and O2 with Gasoline can allow that gasoline to release more energy than it would have otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone thought that maybe the key here is releasing the oxygen from the H2O and mixing it with the fuel? Now you have oxygenated fuel which should burn more completely than Gasoline alone.  Therefore he may actually be releasing energy that would have previously gone out the tailpipe as hydrocarbon emissions. That being said, this still sounds a little fishy to me and I would still like to see some peer reviewed journals on the subject as better evidence that combining HHO or H2 and O2 with Gasoline can allow that gasoline to release more energy than it would have otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Theodore Dukay Szinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theodore Dukay Szinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 02:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of you are talking Frogshit.
Runing a car on Hydrogen is not new. It has been done 60 years ago in Hungary and Germany.
I have experimented with it over 30 years ago. I have successfuly managed to run a small aeroplane engine on a self produced Hydrogen. Not to mention I have blown my self up due to Hydrogen&#039;s violent explosion. Due to my primitive knowledge: I have come to the conclusion that I can not produce enough Hydrogen on board the vehicle what the engine requires: It runs then stops, wait for more gas to be produced then runs again. It was unreliable.   I have never patented anything, because if you patent something then everybody knows it, or you may disapear. With a modification it can be copied, and you get nothing. While the smart is thinking, the stupid already doing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of you are talking Frogshit.<br />
Runing a car on Hydrogen is not new. It has been done 60 years ago in Hungary and Germany.<br />
I have experimented with it over 30 years ago. I have successfuly managed to run a small aeroplane engine on a self produced Hydrogen. Not to mention I have blown my self up due to Hydrogen&#8217;s violent explosion. Due to my primitive knowledge: I have come to the conclusion that I can not produce enough Hydrogen on board the vehicle what the engine requires: It runs then stops, wait for more gas to be produced then runs again. It was unreliable.   I have never patented anything, because if you patent something then everybody knows it, or you may disapear. With a modification it can be copied, and you get nothing. While the smart is thinking, the stupid already doing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Brinybone</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/video-revolutionary-water-based-power-for-cars.html#comment-113739</link>
		<dc:creator>Brinybone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hhhhmmm.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hhhhmmm&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 21:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand the skeptics on here if you want to look at it from a purely scientific point of view.  I don&#039;t know the science of it, but I&#039;m guessing that most skeptics are saying your just trading one energy source for another (electricity for gas).  But if you look at it from a political/ecological view point, what do you have to lose?  Electricity is a renewable energy source.  It can be made in the USA or even from solar powered batteries.  It doesn&#039;t matter if gas is cheaper.  Relying on oil makes us vulnerable to foreign interests and puts billions of dollars in the hands of evil people.  To me, it isn&#039;t whether it&#039;s more efficient, it&#039;s whether or not it can eliminate our slavery to oil.  At least electricity isn&#039;t controlled by some foreign oil cartel.  So to whoever said we are just trading the cost from paying the oil companies versus paying the power company, who cares?  At least the power company is located here and provides jobs and money to Americans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand the skeptics on here if you want to look at it from a purely scientific point of view.  I don&#8217;t know the science of it, but I&#8217;m guessing that most skeptics are saying your just trading one energy source for another (electricity for gas).  But if you look at it from a political/ecological view point, what do you have to lose?  Electricity is a renewable energy source.  It can be made in the USA or even from solar powered batteries.  It doesn&#8217;t matter if gas is cheaper.  Relying on oil makes us vulnerable to foreign interests and puts billions of dollars in the hands of evil people.  To me, it isn&#8217;t whether it&#8217;s more efficient, it&#8217;s whether or not it can eliminate our slavery to oil.  At least electricity isn&#8217;t controlled by some foreign oil cartel.  So to whoever said we are just trading the cost from paying the oil companies versus paying the power company, who cares?  At least the power company is located here and provides jobs and money to Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: AsusPoweredTech</title>
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		<dc:creator>AsusPoweredTech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest i am a bit sceptical about this idea... (and to response to post 56 and 57... HHO is close to water vapour... but when you heat water, it doesnt change its chemical structure, water is HOH) Now it shows that its possible energy output is seemingly endless which i cant see happening... But there wouldn&#039;t be such a hype or interest in this subject if it wasnt remotely possible that what they&#039;re saying is true. Now with his car, he is able to go 30x further than just gasoline powered alone, with only an added 4 ounces of distilled water used. (although im sure its not really 30x) Even if this takes 50 years to complete a way to making water into a viable energy producer, it looks to at least be a way to save us a lot of money, and the way crude oil is being distributed these days, is a huge benefit to our economy no matter what you say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest i am a bit sceptical about this idea&#8230; (and to response to post 56 and 57&#8230; HHO is close to water vapour&#8230; but when you heat water, it doesnt change its chemical structure, water is HOH) Now it shows that its possible energy output is seemingly endless which i cant see happening&#8230; But there wouldn&#8217;t be such a hype or interest in this subject if it wasnt remotely possible that what they&#8217;re saying is true. Now with his car, he is able to go 30x further than just gasoline powered alone, with only an added 4 ounces of distilled water used. (although im sure its not really 30x) Even if this takes 50 years to complete a way to making water into a viable energy producer, it looks to at least be a way to save us a lot of money, and the way crude oil is being distributed these days, is a huge benefit to our economy no matter what you say.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 11:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: TR</title>
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		<dc:creator>TR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 00:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oil is controlled by a cartel.  Whether there is a shortage or not doesn&#039;t matter.  Gas prices continue to rise because we don&#039;t control the majority of the crude oil.  Alternatives will become more cost efficient because the Middle East will continue to control the price of oil.  It doesn&#039;t matter whether gas is more efficient if gas costs $6.00 a gallon due to greed.  It&#039;s all about renewable energy sources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oil is controlled by a cartel.  Whether there is a shortage or not doesn&#8217;t matter.  Gas prices continue to rise because we don&#8217;t control the majority of the crude oil.  Alternatives will become more cost efficient because the Middle East will continue to control the price of oil.  It doesn&#8217;t matter whether gas is more efficient if gas costs $6.00 a gallon due to greed.  It&#8217;s all about renewable energy sources.</p>
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		<title>By: Aes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2006 02:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carun-

Do some background research on the principles of how both electrolysis and fuel cells (the reverse process of electrolysis) work. Wikipedia has some good articles. Even better, howstuffworks.com has an excellent article on fuel cells.

The energy required to split/shatter water molecules IS the energy that is eventually released by either burning or catalyzing the hydrogen gas. To advocate otherwise is to advocate a perpetual motion machine. 

Klein&#039;s paper posits that inefficient electrolysis has always been a barrier to hydrogen production - WRONG. Most of the inefficiency arises during either the production of the electricity itself, or during the burning or catalysis of the H2.

Energy is NOT inherent to H atoms. Energy is inherent to the BONDS between them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carun-</p>
<p>Do some background research on the principles of how both electrolysis and fuel cells (the reverse process of electrolysis) work. Wikipedia has some good articles. Even better, howstuffworks.com has an excellent article on fuel cells.</p>
<p>The energy required to split/shatter water molecules IS the energy that is eventually released by either burning or catalyzing the hydrogen gas. To advocate otherwise is to advocate a perpetual motion machine. </p>
<p>Klein&#8217;s paper posits that inefficient electrolysis has always been a barrier to hydrogen production &#8211; WRONG. Most of the inefficiency arises during either the production of the electricity itself, or during the burning or catalysis of the H2.</p>
<p>Energy is NOT inherent to H atoms. Energy is inherent to the BONDS between them.</p>
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		<title>By: carun</title>
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		<dc:creator>carun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 23:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Addendum to my previous comment: As has been stated, the alternator is running at a continuous steady rpm while driving anyway; so except at idle I don&#039;t think there would be an increase in rpms to run the electrolyzer; but I may be wrong. At any rate, if I wasn&#039;t clear before, I think that the addition of H or HHO , etc. into your burn would be a positive thing, especially since doing it his way means that you don&#039;t have to store it (storage is one of the main problematic areas of research re H, and H distribution; so producing as you use is, I think, a great interim solution).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Addendum to my previous comment: As has been stated, the alternator is running at a continuous steady rpm while driving anyway; so except at idle I don&#8217;t think there would be an increase in rpms to run the electrolyzer; but I may be wrong. At any rate, if I wasn&#8217;t clear before, I think that the addition of H or HHO , etc. into your burn would be a positive thing, especially since doing it his way means that you don&#8217;t have to store it (storage is one of the main problematic areas of research re H, and H distribution; so producing as you use is, I think, a great interim solution).</p>
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		<title>By: carun</title>
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		<dc:creator>carun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 23:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of &quot;energy in&gt;energy out:&quot; From what I gather (though I&#039;m not a physics major, just a h.s. grad), the energy in (electrolysis) is not the thing which produces the energy out; its job is to simply separate the H from the water and leave it in a burnable state, so that the energy which is already inherent in the H can be used through burning it. So, you&#039;re not getting more out than you put in. What you&#039;re getting is the liberation of the tremendous energy which is already stored in the H. Again, I&#039;m not claiming to be a physics major, but that&#039;s what I think is going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of &#8220;energy in&gt;energy out:&#8221; From what I gather (though I&#8217;m not a physics major, just a h.s. grad), the energy in (electrolysis) is not the thing which produces the energy out; its job is to simply separate the H from the water and leave it in a burnable state, so that the energy which is already inherent in the H can be used through burning it. So, you&#8217;re not getting more out than you put in. What you&#8217;re getting is the liberation of the tremendous energy which is already stored in the H. Again, I&#8217;m not claiming to be a physics major, but that&#8217;s what I think is going on.</p>
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		<title>By: Fixtur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fixtur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HHO gas, huh?  Is that anything like H2O gas (more commonly known as Water Vapor)?

Water isn&#039;t dangerous unless your head is being held under it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HHO gas, huh?  Is that anything like H2O gas (more commonly known as Water Vapor)?</p>
<p>Water isn&#8217;t dangerous unless your head is being held under it.</p>
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		<title>By: Fixtur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fixtur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HHO gas, huh?  Is that anything like H2O gas (more commonly known as Water Vapor).

Water isn&#039;t dangerous unless your head is being held under it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HHO gas, huh?  Is that anything like H2O gas (more commonly known as Water Vapor).</p>
<p>Water isn&#8217;t dangerous unless your head is being held under it.</p>
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		<title>By: Withaclue</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/video-revolutionary-water-based-power-for-cars.html#comment-80856</link>
		<dc:creator>Withaclue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 16:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Anyone who thinks that aby combination of Hydrogen (pressurized or not) and Oxygen is more dangerous (likely to explode) than the gasoline currently running in automobiles has done no research, and is just plain mistaken.  I once watched a video where a couple of researchers setup two identical tanks.  One contained gasoline, one contained a Hydrogren mixture (the point was to disprove the fear about hydrogen that started with the Hindenburg).  From 100 yards they fired a single rifle shot (for ignition) into the hydrogren tank.  I little white smoke started coming out of it and that was all.  They then fired a shot into the gasoline tank.  Black smoke began to come out, followed shortly by flame, then a violent explosing.  Which one would you rather be sitting in front of us in an accident?

2. Do a search for HyZor in google and see how this technology DOES apply TODAY.  That said, this guy is a &#039;claim jumper&#039; because this technology has been around since at least the 60&#039;s, maybe earlier.

POINT:  The guy in the story is the joke, not the technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Anyone who thinks that aby combination of Hydrogen (pressurized or not) and Oxygen is more dangerous (likely to explode) than the gasoline currently running in automobiles has done no research, and is just plain mistaken.  I once watched a video where a couple of researchers setup two identical tanks.  One contained gasoline, one contained a Hydrogren mixture (the point was to disprove the fear about hydrogen that started with the Hindenburg).  From 100 yards they fired a single rifle shot (for ignition) into the hydrogren tank.  I little white smoke started coming out of it and that was all.  They then fired a shot into the gasoline tank.  Black smoke began to come out, followed shortly by flame, then a violent explosing.  Which one would you rather be sitting in front of us in an accident?</p>
<p>2. Do a search for HyZor in google and see how this technology DOES apply TODAY.  That said, this guy is a &#8216;claim jumper&#8217; because this technology has been around since at least the 60&#8242;s, maybe earlier.</p>
<p>POINT:  The guy in the story is the joke, not the technology.</p>
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		<title>By: BUILDER</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/video-revolutionary-water-based-power-for-cars.html#comment-79447</link>
		<dc:creator>BUILDER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 23:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with this technology is that it really is not a technology.  Maybe it could set us up for the next thousand years, but it won&#039;t.  Ford didn&#039;t invent the assembly line, but it was based on solid principles.  There were people that leapt to their deaths with winged contraptions attached to their arms in the hope of flying.  The problem was that the premise their technology was built on was not sound.  Same with this thing.  The best thing we can leave for our kids and their kids is a strong interest and foundation in mathematics and the physical sciences.  That is what will set us up for the next thousand years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with this technology is that it really is not a technology.  Maybe it could set us up for the next thousand years, but it won&#8217;t.  Ford didn&#8217;t invent the assembly line, but it was based on solid principles.  There were people that leapt to their deaths with winged contraptions attached to their arms in the hope of flying.  The problem was that the premise their technology was built on was not sound.  Same with this thing.  The best thing we can leave for our kids and their kids is a strong interest and foundation in mathematics and the physical sciences.  That is what will set us up for the next thousand years.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/video-revolutionary-water-based-power-for-cars.html#comment-79175</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 19:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see a lot of nay saying regarding this - and its healthy I guess but imagine what a world we could leave for our kids and their kids if more and more smart fellows (and ladies) get into this technology and make it work the way we would all like it to work.  It will set us up for the next ten thousand years of development.  I wonder what the message board would have looked like when Ford told the world he would produce cars for everyone - or when Da Vinci told people that someday men would fly?  I am a bit worried about the oil barrons though - money talks all the rest walk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see a lot of nay saying regarding this &#8211; and its healthy I guess but imagine what a world we could leave for our kids and their kids if more and more smart fellows (and ladies) get into this technology and make it work the way we would all like it to work.  It will set us up for the next ten thousand years of development.  I wonder what the message board would have looked like when Ford told the world he would produce cars for everyone &#8211; or when Da Vinci told people that someday men would fly?  I am a bit worried about the oil barrons though &#8211; money talks all the rest walk.</p>
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		<title>By: AES</title>
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		<dc:creator>AES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 18:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul - off topic response. I&#039;ll respond anyway, though.

Vegetable oil is an inexpensive way of running your car, and I applaud you for having the where-with-all to do it, but unfortunately it&#039;s inappropriate to label it as a &quot;solution&quot;, or more specifically, a widespread solution. The people who use vegetable oil as a fuel are able to do so because they are a very select few. If EVERYONE were to suddenly jump on the bandwagon, so to speak, it would put an immense strain on the agricultural system, and costs would skyrocket.

A more humourous downside is the smell. I had a friend who ran his old Mercedes Benz turbo diesel on used vegetable oil, and he eventually had to get rid of the car because he got incredibly sick everytime the engine ran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul &#8211; off topic response. I&#8217;ll respond anyway, though.</p>
<p>Vegetable oil is an inexpensive way of running your car, and I applaud you for having the where-with-all to do it, but unfortunately it&#8217;s inappropriate to label it as a &#8220;solution&#8221;, or more specifically, a widespread solution. The people who use vegetable oil as a fuel are able to do so because they are a very select few. If EVERYONE were to suddenly jump on the bandwagon, so to speak, it would put an immense strain on the agricultural system, and costs would skyrocket.</p>
<p>A more humourous downside is the smell. I had a friend who ran his old Mercedes Benz turbo diesel on used vegetable oil, and he eventually had to get rid of the car because he got incredibly sick everytime the engine ran.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/video-revolutionary-water-based-power-for-cars.html#comment-75158</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 13:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry link is www.bio-power.co.uk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry link is <a href="http://www.bio-power.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.bio-power.co.uk</a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/video-revolutionary-water-based-power-for-cars.html#comment-75138</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 13:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As anybody considered that we have a solution now, I run my diesel car on pure vegetable oil. It costs much less than diesel and can even be recycled from restaurants. If you buy the correct car (i have an old merc) you don&#039;t even have to warm the oil first.

You can also seperate the heavy white fats from the red fats and just burn the red fats which allows the oil to be used in any diesel engine. Please have a look at www.bio-power.com for more info</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As anybody considered that we have a solution now, I run my diesel car on pure vegetable oil. It costs much less than diesel and can even be recycled from restaurants. If you buy the correct car (i have an old merc) you don&#8217;t even have to warm the oil first.</p>
<p>You can also seperate the heavy white fats from the red fats and just burn the red fats which allows the oil to be used in any diesel engine. Please have a look at <a href="http://www.bio-power.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.bio-power.com</a> for more info</p>
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		<title>By: George Spivey</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Spivey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 01:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah it&#039;s a hoax. He&#039;s making money off of licenses sold, stock in the company sold, and investors.
Welding with HHO (Brown&#039;s gas) produces a brittle weld compared with Oxy-acetylene.
You can see his patent on the net, and there&#039;s nothing different about his electrolysis device. Takes more energy than it produces. You can get a patent on anything that doesn&#039;t infringe on other patents; that doesn&#039;t mean it works. The USPO only bans perpetual motion machines, and he got around this by making it a perpetual energy machine. If it really worked, the water at the exhaust pipe could be put back in the tank, and it would produce energy without any input, hence perpetual motion machine.

If it were for real, there would be independent testing laboratory reports, and scientific articles published in reputable journals. Not to mention a Nobel prize for transcending the laws of thermodynamics.

If you google, you can find sub atomic physicists laughing at his patent, saying he did a very good job of pseudo science babble, and pointing out the flaws.
There are four or five flaws in the news video itself, but many in the patent.

P.S. alternators already are shut off when not in use; that&#039;s what the voltage regulator does. When there is no current flowing in the windings the alternator presents no load other than the friction of the bearings and belt. It is the opposing magnetic fields that cause a load on the engine, and those opposing fields also generate electricity to charge the battery. This only happens when the regulator turns the alternator on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah it&#8217;s a hoax. He&#8217;s making money off of licenses sold, stock in the company sold, and investors.<br />
Welding with HHO (Brown&#8217;s gas) produces a brittle weld compared with Oxy-acetylene.<br />
You can see his patent on the net, and there&#8217;s nothing different about his electrolysis device. Takes more energy than it produces. You can get a patent on anything that doesn&#8217;t infringe on other patents; that doesn&#8217;t mean it works. The USPO only bans perpetual motion machines, and he got around this by making it a perpetual energy machine. If it really worked, the water at the exhaust pipe could be put back in the tank, and it would produce energy without any input, hence perpetual motion machine.</p>
<p>If it were for real, there would be independent testing laboratory reports, and scientific articles published in reputable journals. Not to mention a Nobel prize for transcending the laws of thermodynamics.</p>
<p>If you google, you can find sub atomic physicists laughing at his patent, saying he did a very good job of pseudo science babble, and pointing out the flaws.<br />
There are four or five flaws in the news video itself, but many in the patent.</p>
<p>P.S. alternators already are shut off when not in use; that&#8217;s what the voltage regulator does. When there is no current flowing in the windings the alternator presents no load other than the friction of the bearings and belt. It is the opposing magnetic fields that cause a load on the engine, and those opposing fields also generate electricity to charge the battery. This only happens when the regulator turns the alternator on.</p>
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		<title>By: BUILDER</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/video-revolutionary-water-based-power-for-cars.html#comment-67899</link>
		<dc:creator>BUILDER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2006 22:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think point number 8 in response #46 is the key question.  I think that even if the electrolysis were perfect (100% efficient), the most energy you could obtain by burning the resultant gasses, no matter what you call them or what you combine them with, would only be enough to replace the energy used in the electrolysis.  That would assume the combustion was 100% efficient.  Combustion is known to be much less than 100% efficient, just for the loss due to heat alone.  Now if he got more energy out of the electrolysis than he put in, he would really have something, and the car could run on water alone!  But, we would have to rewrite that silly law that says energy cannot be created or destroyed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think point number 8 in response #46 is the key question.  I think that even if the electrolysis were perfect (100% efficient), the most energy you could obtain by burning the resultant gasses, no matter what you call them or what you combine them with, would only be enough to replace the energy used in the electrolysis.  That would assume the combustion was 100% efficient.  Combustion is known to be much less than 100% efficient, just for the loss due to heat alone.  Now if he got more energy out of the electrolysis than he put in, he would really have something, and the car could run on water alone!  But, we would have to rewrite that silly law that says energy cannot be created or destroyed.</p>
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		<title>By: skeptic</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/video-revolutionary-water-based-power-for-cars.html#comment-63816</link>
		<dc:creator>skeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2006 13:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll believe this when Big Oil buys him out just like they are buying out solar photovoltaic companies. Have you seen any Shell Oil ads for their photovoltaics? They bought out Siemens photovoltaics. I guess they got tired of paying Siemens not to advertise. BP also has them.
SO.... when the MONEY moves to this idea I&#039;ll believe it.
Go to Changing World Technologies.... and ask yourself why Big Oil is cutting off their access to political funding. Oil from garbage... refuse.... plastic.... and perhaps someday sewage.
HHO gas..... is not something anyone wants to play with that&#039;s why it&#039;s not used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll believe this when Big Oil buys him out just like they are buying out solar photovoltaic companies. Have you seen any Shell Oil ads for their photovoltaics? They bought out Siemens photovoltaics. I guess they got tired of paying Siemens not to advertise. BP also has them.<br />
SO&#8230;. when the MONEY moves to this idea I&#8217;ll believe it.<br />
Go to Changing World Technologies&#8230;. and ask yourself why Big Oil is cutting off their access to political funding. Oil from garbage&#8230; refuse&#8230;. plastic&#8230;. and perhaps someday sewage.<br />
HHO gas&#8230;.. is not something anyone wants to play with that&#8217;s why it&#8217;s not used.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/video-revolutionary-water-based-power-for-cars.html#comment-62523</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2006 03:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read entries here and on other chat rooms. I am interested in his use in automobiles not welding. Here are a few observations and questions. 


1.	Most automobiles run their alternators all the time. This burns fuel, and the load is wasted. The car battery only needs a limited amount of electricity to recharge it. Hybrid cars solve this by selectively running their alternator (it only runs when the battery needs charging).
 
2.	Rather than shut off the alternator, this new system makes use of this wasted electricity or load. 

3.	He does not store the HHO gas so there is no relative little increase in the danger of explosion. It is used on demand. 

4.	Some have suggested that simply shutting off the alternator would have the same effect as producing HHO. I am not sure if that is accurate. Would the two really be equivalent? You would have to calculate the load the alternator places upon the engine and the amount of gasoline it consumes. Shutting off the alternator would save gas but how much?

5.	What are the relative efficiencies of his process? How much gas is produced based upon watts consumed? Is it really enhancing the performance of the engine to the point where the expense is justifiable? In other words, if the unit costs $7,000, what MPG would you need to get to make it worth your time. ($7,000 is what he&#039;s selling his generators for) Okay, maybe with volume production he gets the price down to $1,000. I would still want to see how much gas I would be saving. What would my MPG be in order to earn it back? If it took ten years of driving, I don’t think it would be worth it.

6.	Next you would have to compare that to amount of HHO produced by the same unit of electricity produced by the combustion of gasoline. According to the inventor, HHO is more reactive than simple H2 O2. If this were true, it would reduce the inefficiencies of the engine and thus yield better gas mileage. Even if he is simply producing hydrogen, how much is he producing given the amount of electricity his device consumes? Would it really be better than simply shutting down the alternator? 

7.	Is he really saying that he’s creating more energy than he uses, or is he proposing that HHO is more reactive than standard H2 O2? It sounds as if his theories on HHO are dubious at best. 

8.	How is the device producing the HHO gas? Has he invented a better method of electrolysis?  


9.	What volume of HHO gas is produced based upon his method of electrolysis? He must be producing something with his generator because he is selling the welding generators. I’m not saying welding with HHO is a good thing to do, but he is doing it. The video of his system working makes that clear. If they did not, he would be shut down very fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read entries here and on other chat rooms. I am interested in his use in automobiles not welding. Here are a few observations and questions. </p>
<p>1.	Most automobiles run their alternators all the time. This burns fuel, and the load is wasted. The car battery only needs a limited amount of electricity to recharge it. Hybrid cars solve this by selectively running their alternator (it only runs when the battery needs charging).</p>
<p>2.	Rather than shut off the alternator, this new system makes use of this wasted electricity or load. </p>
<p>3.	He does not store the HHO gas so there is no relative little increase in the danger of explosion. It is used on demand. </p>
<p>4.	Some have suggested that simply shutting off the alternator would have the same effect as producing HHO. I am not sure if that is accurate. Would the two really be equivalent? You would have to calculate the load the alternator places upon the engine and the amount of gasoline it consumes. Shutting off the alternator would save gas but how much?</p>
<p>5.	What are the relative efficiencies of his process? How much gas is produced based upon watts consumed? Is it really enhancing the performance of the engine to the point where the expense is justifiable? In other words, if the unit costs $7,000, what MPG would you need to get to make it worth your time. ($7,000 is what he&#8217;s selling his generators for) Okay, maybe with volume production he gets the price down to $1,000. I would still want to see how much gas I would be saving. What would my MPG be in order to earn it back? If it took ten years of driving, I don’t think it would be worth it.</p>
<p>6.	Next you would have to compare that to amount of HHO produced by the same unit of electricity produced by the combustion of gasoline. According to the inventor, HHO is more reactive than simple H2 O2. If this were true, it would reduce the inefficiencies of the engine and thus yield better gas mileage. Even if he is simply producing hydrogen, how much is he producing given the amount of electricity his device consumes? Would it really be better than simply shutting down the alternator? </p>
<p>7.	Is he really saying that he’s creating more energy than he uses, or is he proposing that HHO is more reactive than standard H2 O2? It sounds as if his theories on HHO are dubious at best. </p>
<p>8.	How is the device producing the HHO gas? Has he invented a better method of electrolysis?  </p>
<p>9.	What volume of HHO gas is produced based upon his method of electrolysis? He must be producing something with his generator because he is selling the welding generators. I’m not saying welding with HHO is a good thing to do, but he is doing it. The video of his system working makes that clear. If they did not, he would be shut down very fast.</p>
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		<title>By: BUILDER</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/video-revolutionary-water-based-power-for-cars.html#comment-55457</link>
		<dc:creator>BUILDER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 May 2006 20:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Aes.  Doe anyone else have a knowledge of science and physics that it DOES conform to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Aes.  Doe anyone else have a knowledge of science and physics that it DOES conform to?</p>
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		<title>By: Aes</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/video-revolutionary-water-based-power-for-cars.html#comment-55268</link>
		<dc:creator>Aes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 May 2006 17:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BUILDER: That&#039;s exactly the question I posed to the company, and their response was:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;the issue here is that this is novel, unique and new----the fact that it doesn&#039;t conform to your knowledge of science and laws of physics, blah blah blah, couldn&#039;t matter less to us---this is something new and different, it is what we say, and we are now way too busy to deal with you.
Buzz off now, back to your job at the photomat.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

At best, this company is advocating pseudoscience, and at worse, they&#039;re flat-out white collar criminals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BUILDER: That&#8217;s exactly the question I posed to the company, and their response was:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;the issue here is that this is novel, unique and new&#8212;-the fact that it doesn&#8217;t conform to your knowledge of science and laws of physics, blah blah blah, couldn&#8217;t matter less to us&#8212;this is something new and different, it is what we say, and we are now way too busy to deal with you.<br />
Buzz off now, back to your job at the photomat.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>At best, this company is advocating pseudoscience, and at worse, they&#8217;re flat-out white collar criminals.</p>
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		<title>By: BUILDER</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/video-revolutionary-water-based-power-for-cars.html#comment-54254</link>
		<dc:creator>BUILDER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 May 2006 03:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due respect, I think some of you are missing the point.  Why would you bother to add an energy transfer system to your vehicle when that system cannot provide as much energy as it uses? - Just to say you&#039;re &quot;sticking it&quot; to the oil companies?  If you want to run your internal combustion engine on water, you have to &quot;crack&quot; that water with an elecrical current via the electrolysis process.  By the law of conservation of energy, the most energy you could possibly recover would be just enough to support the elecrolysis.  There would be no energy left over to power the vehicle into motion.  Now, consider all the inefficiencies in the process and you actually use energy, not create it.  That&#039;s just the facts of physical reality.  Can somebody prove this statement to be wrong?  I would love to hear it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect, I think some of you are missing the point.  Why would you bother to add an energy transfer system to your vehicle when that system cannot provide as much energy as it uses? &#8211; Just to say you&#8217;re &#8220;sticking it&#8221; to the oil companies?  If you want to run your internal combustion engine on water, you have to &#8220;crack&#8221; that water with an elecrical current via the electrolysis process.  By the law of conservation of energy, the most energy you could possibly recover would be just enough to support the elecrolysis.  There would be no energy left over to power the vehicle into motion.  Now, consider all the inefficiencies in the process and you actually use energy, not create it.  That&#8217;s just the facts of physical reality.  Can somebody prove this statement to be wrong?  I would love to hear it.</p>
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		<title>By: rhome</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/video-revolutionary-water-based-power-for-cars.html#comment-53465</link>
		<dc:creator>rhome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 May 2006 17:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you guys are smart...almost too smart for your own good.... ah well...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you guys are smart&#8230;almost too smart for your own good&#8230;. ah well&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Aes</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/video-revolutionary-water-based-power-for-cars.html#comment-51612</link>
		<dc:creator>Aes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2006 02:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to even their own research paper, HHO degrades rapidly into H2 and O2.

So no, it isn&#039;t stable. That&#039;s why they have to produce it on site. Otherwise they&#039;d be selling it in tanks. 

Also, I stated that it gets energy from hydrogen BONDS, which are present in the HHO molecule. Considering the instability, the &quot;patented&quot; gas also likely contains a good deal of straight-up H2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to even their own research paper, HHO degrades rapidly into H2 and O2.</p>
<p>So no, it isn&#8217;t stable. That&#8217;s why they have to produce it on site. Otherwise they&#8217;d be selling it in tanks. </p>
<p>Also, I stated that it gets energy from hydrogen BONDS, which are present in the HHO molecule. Considering the instability, the &#8220;patented&#8221; gas also likely contains a good deal of straight-up H2.</p>
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		<title>By: kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/video-revolutionary-water-based-power-for-cars.html#comment-51005</link>
		<dc:creator>kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2006 18:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it doesnt burn hydrogen, it burns hho which is alot more stable, since its all possible to convert h2o into hho, i dont think this idea is that far fetched it was just a matter of time to find the proper electrolysis technique to use and formulate a way to do it. im extremely glad this guy found a way to do this as fossil fuel is way to expensive, hopefully this will cure our fuel crisis, and if this idea can be applied to veihicles, then the possiblities for its uses are almost endless, power plants for one, we could get double out of our hydro-electric plants by using this method,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it doesnt burn hydrogen, it burns hho which is alot more stable, since its all possible to convert h2o into hho, i dont think this idea is that far fetched it was just a matter of time to find the proper electrolysis technique to use and formulate a way to do it. im extremely glad this guy found a way to do this as fossil fuel is way to expensive, hopefully this will cure our fuel crisis, and if this idea can be applied to veihicles, then the possiblities for its uses are almost endless, power plants for one, we could get double out of our hydro-electric plants by using this method,</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/video-revolutionary-water-based-power-for-cars.html#comment-50972</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2006 18:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hoax</description>
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		<title>By: ANONYMOUS</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/video-revolutionary-water-based-power-for-cars.html#comment-50750</link>
		<dc:creator>ANONYMOUS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2006 12:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its for real! Take that Oil companies.</description>
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		<title>By: JohnnyBlazE</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/video-revolutionary-water-based-power-for-cars.html#comment-50712</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnnyBlazE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2006 12:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aes, sorry for the confusion of &quot;running on water&quot; - I mean it uses water as the item input into the system and runs off the hydrogen bonds you mentioned... i&#039;m no science whizz (pity because I used to enjoy this, just didn&#039;t follow it up) but basically I think you know exactly what is meant by this whole system and you&#039;re being devil&#039;s advocate... still, you&#039;ve done a good job of bringing about an in depth discussion and some well-needed scrutiny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aes, sorry for the confusion of &#8220;running on water&#8221; &#8211; I mean it uses water as the item input into the system and runs off the hydrogen bonds you mentioned&#8230; i&#8217;m no science whizz (pity because I used to enjoy this, just didn&#8217;t follow it up) but basically I think you know exactly what is meant by this whole system and you&#8217;re being devil&#8217;s advocate&#8230; still, you&#8217;ve done a good job of bringing about an in depth discussion and some well-needed scrutiny.</p>
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		<title>By: Aes</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/video-revolutionary-water-based-power-for-cars.html#comment-49763</link>
		<dc:creator>Aes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 22:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After a barrage of further terse (and spelling-error ridden) emails from the company, I finally got ahold of a peer reviewed journal. HHO as a molecule does exist, albeit unstably.

As an efficient electrolysis process, this is actually quite nice, because HHO degrades rapidly into h2 and o2. But the notion of &quot;running on water&quot; is completely erroneous. It runs on hydrogen bonds, NOT water. As with any other exothermic reaction, it requires an endothermic energy investment. Period. 

If anyone wants a copy of the paper, let me know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After a barrage of further terse (and spelling-error ridden) emails from the company, I finally got ahold of a peer reviewed journal. HHO as a molecule does exist, albeit unstably.</p>
<p>As an efficient electrolysis process, this is actually quite nice, because HHO degrades rapidly into h2 and o2. But the notion of &#8220;running on water&#8221; is completely erroneous. It runs on hydrogen bonds, NOT water. As with any other exothermic reaction, it requires an endothermic energy investment. Period. </p>
<p>If anyone wants a copy of the paper, let me know.</p>
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		<title>By: AES</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/video-revolutionary-water-based-power-for-cars.html#comment-49466</link>
		<dc:creator>AES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 18:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I emailed the company. After some terse initial responses, they answered:

&quot;regarding where the energy comes from in the auto
application---you get electricity from the alternator---it produces our gas
as you drive, our gas gets injected into the fuel-tank and bonds with
gasoline---upon combustion you get greater HP and better gas mileage and
much cleaner emissions.&quot;

In other words, the gas&#039;s power ultimately can be traced back to the gasoline which runs the engine, which in turn runs the alternator. So it&#039;s a way of making use of a small amount of otherwise wasted gasoline power. Nothing more.

So why not selectively turn the alternator on and off? Hybrid cars are already capable of this (their engine shuts off at low speed). BMW has concepts that do this regardless of whether the the engine is running: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=115127</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I emailed the company. After some terse initial responses, they answered:</p>
<p>&#8220;regarding where the energy comes from in the auto<br />
application&#8212;you get electricity from the alternator&#8212;it produces our gas<br />
as you drive, our gas gets injected into the fuel-tank and bonds with<br />
gasoline&#8212;upon combustion you get greater HP and better gas mileage and<br />
much cleaner emissions.&#8221;</p>
<p>In other words, the gas&#8217;s power ultimately can be traced back to the gasoline which runs the engine, which in turn runs the alternator. So it&#8217;s a way of making use of a small amount of otherwise wasted gasoline power. Nothing more.</p>
<p>So why not selectively turn the alternator on and off? Hybrid cars are already capable of this (their engine shuts off at low speed). BMW has concepts that do this regardless of whether the the engine is running: <a href="http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=115127" rel="nofollow">http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=115127</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/video-revolutionary-water-based-power-for-cars.html#comment-49418</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 16:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When married with a traditional fuel system, 4HP input into the water based system gives back 17HP…&quot;
??? You can never get out more energy than you put in.

12 volts, 30 amps is 360 watts, or about half a horsepower.
This is used to make hydrogen, at up to 90% efficiency.
The hydrogen is then burned at 25% efficiency, to give you 360x0.9x0.25, or 81 watts of useful power output.
In other words, you have added 279 watts of load to your engine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When married with a traditional fuel system, 4HP input into the water based system gives back 17HP…&#8221;<br />
??? You can never get out more energy than you put in.</p>
<p>12 volts, 30 amps is 360 watts, or about half a horsepower.<br />
This is used to make hydrogen, at up to 90% efficiency.<br />
The hydrogen is then burned at 25% efficiency, to give you 360&#215;0.9&#215;0.25, or 81 watts of useful power output.<br />
In other words, you have added 279 watts of load to your engine.</p>
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		<title>By: jim press</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim press</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 16:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Greg, this guy is converting to gas from water, not storing the gas.</description>
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		<title>By: Tony Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/video-revolutionary-water-based-power-for-cars.html#comment-49159</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 13:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IN THIS HOUSE WE OBEY THE LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS!

                             -Homer Simpson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IN THIS HOUSE WE OBEY THE LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 12:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is what this guy doing anything different than an HFI (hydrogen fuel injection) system? It&#039;s my understanding from the video that he&#039;s burning the HHO gas along with gasonline to give him increased gas mileage. Trucks with the HFI system (here&#039;s a link to a wired article: http://www.wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,69529,00.html) use electrolysis also to get hydrogen and then burn the hydrogen along with gasoline. However, they are only claiming the system gives them a 10% decrease in fuel use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is what this guy doing anything different than an HFI (hydrogen fuel injection) system? It&#8217;s my understanding from the video that he&#8217;s burning the HHO gas along with gasonline to give him increased gas mileage. Trucks with the HFI system (here&#8217;s a link to a wired article: <a href="http://www.wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,69529,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,69529,00.html</a>) use electrolysis also to get hydrogen and then burn the hydrogen along with gasoline. However, they are only claiming the system gives them a 10% decrease in fuel use.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnnyBlazE</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/video-revolutionary-water-based-power-for-cars.html#comment-48879</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnnyBlazE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 11:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether it&#039;s the big success or anything new (he claims its evolutionary not revolutinary on his site hytechapps.com) it&#039;s still worth looking at.

They say its safe enough and are beginning dev of a military Hummer... hmm.

When married with a traditional fuel system, 4HP input into the water based system gives back 17HP... *shrugs*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether it&#8217;s the big success or anything new (he claims its evolutionary not revolutinary on his site hytechapps.com) it&#8217;s still worth looking at.</p>
<p>They say its safe enough and are beginning dev of a military Hummer&#8230; hmm.</p>
<p>When married with a traditional fuel system, 4HP input into the water based system gives back 17HP&#8230; *shrugs*</p>
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