Comments on: Volkswagen announces seven-speed DSG gearbox

By: CTS DRIVER

CTS DRIVER — Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:15:37 +0000

vag has #1 and 3rd to last what gives? i hate theese studies they really dont tell what kind of problems there really are. did one break a tranny while the other had a bad trunk latch.

By: CTS DRIVER

CTS DRIVER — Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:11:44 +0000

hey wehat happened with bmw last year they were #10, and last year mercedes was 1 point ahead of chevy.

By: Madcapp

Madcapp — Wed, 30 May 2007 14:33:40 +0000

Like you said earlier, look at the JD power survey. The difference in initial quality between Toyota and Chevrolet is 0.18 defects per car. Who would want a Toyota anyway? That’s the #1 brand for boring people.

By: Get Real

Get Real — Wed, 30 May 2007 13:37:26 +0000

You want to compare Chevy with Toyota ????

They have the same initial quality ???

You are so funny. I laugh, that is good.

Go to a used car lot and buy a 2 year old Chevy vs Toyota. You pay a big premium for the Toyota.

Perception vs Reality is hard cash, and the world revolves around cash.

By: Madcapp

Madcapp — Wed, 30 May 2007 13:10:54 +0000

Oh by the way Get Real, since the #1 spot is held by both a German company and an integral part of the Volkswagen Group, it looks like your “euro-trash” theory is well, completely wrong.

By: Madcapp

Madcapp — Wed, 30 May 2007 12:59:45 +0000

OK Get Real, lets look at the JD power initial quality survey…
http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/charts/2006082a.gif
With the Exception of Land Rover, ALL 38 major brands are within 1 defect of each other in initial quality. #1 Porsche averages .91 defects per car, and #38 Isuzu averages 1.91 defects per car. There is no major differences in initial quality among brands…although there’s a huge misconception about quality, and a lot of money to be made promoting this misconception. Toyota averages 1.06 defects per car, but Chevrolet is only at 1.24 defects per car…not much difference at all, but everyone likes to pretend there is some major difference. The truth is that ALL cars are very similar to each other in initial quality, and after that, long term reliability is going to be more a factor of how the car is owned and cared for. And the final truth is that Get Real doesn’t know anything about cars and needs to keep his piehole shut because he keeps embarrasing himself by revealing his ignorance.

By: Get Real

Get Real — Wed, 30 May 2007 12:39:17 +0000

You must be ignorant also of all the problems people have with their BMW’s transmission failing. These are complaints from people who LOVE the car but hate the problems they have.

You are foolish for blindly following euro-trash cars.

JD-Power is reality.

Sorry you can’t see.

By: deutschetouring1337

deutschetouring1337 — Wed, 30 May 2007 11:20:25 +0000

I stand corrected Madcapp you hit it dead on. I had read in an older book that the old Austins were to use them so I thought it was a British design. Theres another system like the Zeroshift can’t think of it off the top of my head. I find it funny how most people on here get their facts from blogs and don’t read or are as passionate about automotive history as some of us

By: SRT-4Ken

SRT-4Ken — Wed, 30 May 2007 06:05:16 +0000

————>my mother’s ‘02 4spd Ford Windstar has 200hp & 240 literall tirescreeching lb/ft. of torque!!

By: Zer0

Zer0 — Tue, 29 May 2007 19:02:27 +0000

Has anyone seen the transmission made by the company ZeroShift?
http://www.zeroshift.com/
They can make them in either manual or automatic and it seems like it would be a great alternative, I don’t know why more manufacturers haven’t looked into it.

By: Madcapp

Madcapp — Tue, 29 May 2007 13:17:03 +0000

Get Real, you are a fool who has no clue about auto manufacturing. Volkswagen (and most other auto manufacturers) do not make their own transmissions. Instead, they buy them from dedicated transmission manufacturers. In the DSG case, the twin clutch assembly is a Borg-Warner supplied system, and the transmission partner is Getrag. When BMW finally gets around to introducing their twin clutch transmission (BMW calls it “ZSG” for Zero Shift Gearbox), guess what?…its going to be Borg-Warner and Getrag for the BMW system as well, no surprise there. If you like German cars, you need to pay attention to ALL brands collectively because they share many systems and suppliers and they are more interrelated than you think. And if you don’t know how a car is built, then you need to keep your piehole shut.

By: Get Real

Get Real — Tue, 29 May 2007 11:49:41 +0000

VW has to make the transmissions they have NOW last longer to help them crawl up from the bottom of JD Power and Consumer Reports reliability.

A new complex trany is NOT going to help increase sales.

By: Ian

Ian — Mon, 28 May 2007 03:35:36 +0000

sounds kinda kool. from 7 to 1.7liters…

By: hfry

hfry — Sun, 27 May 2007 23:02:31 +0000

Egbert Souse ever seen F1?

By: hfry

hfry — Sun, 27 May 2007 23:00:28 +0000

N/m^^^^^^^^^^^^

By: hfry

hfry — Sun, 27 May 2007 22:59:21 +0000

MAdcapp—Yeah BMW has a 7 Speed. They used on the Mini Tip-tronic. Its auto-TIp Tranny. 7 Gear are only engaged in Auto.

By: Madcapp

Madcapp — Sun, 27 May 2007 16:19:47 +0000

US based Passat has 2.0T 4 cyl, or 3.6L VR6. Euro models additionally get small weak stuff like a Non-turbo 2.0L and 1.6L 4 cylinders. This 7 speed DSG, in conjunction with the new 1.4TFSI and smaller diesels is just part of Volkswagens wise strategy to have very low consumption drivetrains available in response to high fuel prices. Other manufacturers would be very wise to follow this model.

VW is certianly not perceived the most premium brand out there, and their products are often misunderstood at first, but they are positioning themselves very well for the future and they do have world class engineering. There was a VW press release April 27th (exactly 1 month ago) that explains a little about this, and its good information to read.

http://media.vw.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=10132

By: archidictus

archidictus — Sun, 27 May 2007 15:56:53 +0000

Madcapp, what’s the smallest engine offered in the Passat? I’m not a VW follower, so I’m not sure, but the blurb above suggests that they’re intending to use the transmission in those as well. Last I checked, that had quite a wide range of larger engines and nothing smaller than a V6. Do the Euro models come with the smaller powerplants you suggested?

By: Madcapp

Madcapp — Sun, 27 May 2007 13:37:34 +0000

It isn’t Wikipedia, retard. And you’re just pissed because I’m right.

By: deutschetouring1337

deutschetouring1337 — Sun, 27 May 2007 12:38:23 +0000

Heh funny considering this technology was stolen from the brits…..hmmmmmm

By: archidictus

archidictus — Sun, 27 May 2007 06:35:57 +0000

“Only” 79 kilograms and 184 ft./lbs. of torque capacity? Where’s the innovative insanity that all the Veedubbers are cheering about? Novelty wears off quickly and the consequences of premature action echo for a looooooong time.

By: Hyperion

Hyperion — Sun, 27 May 2007 04:35:55 +0000

That’s it? If 170 horsepower is the best VW can do then I’ll happily buy a car that offers 300 horsepower and a 6-speed manual. I had no idea. Oh well…

By: SRT-4Ken

SRT-4Ken — Sun, 27 May 2007 01:25:36 +0000

———–>yeah, WEKS, that would be boring…170hp?? What’s the point in having instead of a 6spd manual, a DSG in a Spec-V Sentra??(metaphorical phrase) DSG,170hp? you’re better off with the manual…..

By: A4

A4 — Sat, 26 May 2007 22:18:11 +0000

maybe theyll use it in the GX3 if only…

By: PrimeGTP

PrimeGTP — Sat, 26 May 2007 17:23:15 +0000

I suppose it depends on your meaning of sport. If sports car = performance car, the DSG is the superior option. If sports car = fun car, most will go with the manual.

Manuals will probably die out in the near future, but I enjoy both.

By: Brendino

Brendino — Sat, 26 May 2007 16:46:52 +0000

That’s pretty cool!

By: Egbert Souse

Egbert Souse — Sat, 26 May 2007 16:31:07 +0000

the DSG is a cool tranny but a true sports car should have a 6 spd manual

By: Veda

Veda — Sat, 26 May 2007 11:38:48 +0000

WEKS, yea I forgot to mention that bit which makes it a rather useless alternative to the traditional old manual even though I like the concept of a DSG.

By: WEKS

WEKS — Sat, 26 May 2007 08:13:10 +0000

Veda, if it can only handle 170HP it’ll have to be one hell of boring sport coupe.

By: Saud

Saud — Sat, 26 May 2007 07:50:57 +0000

Execellent.

By: Veda

Veda — Sat, 26 May 2007 04:11:36 +0000

79 kg is still hella heavy when applied to small cars. It’d be a nice addition in large sport coupes though…

By: Hyperion

Hyperion — Sat, 26 May 2007 03:14:19 +0000

This is interesting. I wonder if this means the flywheel and dry clutches can be upgraded.

By: 1c3d0g

1c3d0g — Sat, 26 May 2007 02:20:21 +0000

Agreed, snoboardguy21 & Syrax.

By: Madcapp

Madcapp — Fri, 25 May 2007 20:10:55 +0000

BMW doesn’t have one already…we’re all waiting around for them to put one out as they have announced, but its still very much a no-show. We don’t even know what BMW will have their first dual clutch gearbox.

By: hfry

hfry — Fri, 25 May 2007 19:10:14 +0000

about time! BMW has one already. Yeah cant wait for Honda or Volvo (ford) to use one.