Looks absolutely awesome in my opinion!

Can someone explain why this has 65 more hp than an 2.0t b8 a4 weighs allot less but still has a 0-60 run in the same realm????

I’m gonna miss the R32. It was such a sleeper… and that VR6 exhaust note is wonderful.

Why do all the new sport compacts have to scream “boy racer”? It just draws more heat from the 5-0.

Looking good, pretty disappointed in the performance though. 0-60 in 6.5 seconds? A Subaru WRX with similar specs (2.5l Turbo 265hp AWD 3200lb Curb Weight) can do the same sprint in close to 5.3 seconds. At least the R20 looks a hell of a lot better!

Zero, they have to finally put some different between the Golf and the TT. who would buy the TT-S (from which the golf R gets its engine) if they had the exact same specs? the TT-S makes that sprint in 4.9

It’s not the same sprint! This R weighs a lot more than it!

I’ll be honest – I’m not a huge fan of the new GTI from the front but this is awesome! I hope it comes packaged like the last R32 loaded to the gills standard (with the bs things I like including dual zone climate control) and it makes for an awesome daily driver. It just looks more special to me than the R32 did – which didn’t look any better than my GTI IMO and I had a hard time justifying paying $30k + for some special metal interior bits, the VR6 and AWD which really was it. This I can see paying that money since alot isn’t offered on the new GTI (to make it cheaper).

@ krautninja

Are you sure the Golf R has the same engine as the TT-S? TT-S is a 2.0-liter turbocharged, direct-injected inline Four. The article implies the R is getting a lighter 6.

None the less, it’’s cool. The Scirocco is still a better package. I would have purchased a Scirocco if it had come state side, I wouldn’t pay all that money for a Golf.

netguru i doubt they would make a 2.0t 6 cylinder

guru, the 6 has been replaced with the 2.0 T from the TT-S . VW did away with eh 3.2 VR6 that used to power the R32.

Bring on the R VW. i’ll be saving my lunch money for this thing lol,

I dont understand how this isnt faster too. 60 more hp and 50 more torgue than a standard vw 2.0t and only 0.4 seconds faster to 60? its an ok upgrade but still should be better.

Uh… Everyone above should note that VW is notorious for underestimating their 0-60 sprints. They rate my GTI at 7.0 seconds but it’s clocked at 6.0 sec by most major publications, and I’ve had my own clocked at 6.2 sec with all-seasons. I say it does it around 5.4-5.6 sec in reality.

oh my god, a fcuking gorgeous!! I dont understand the 0-60 mph time!
With 200hp GTI model, it goes like 6.7 sec per multi-mags in last few years. Why pay more for a new R-model for a mere 0.2 second quicker????? I really like this R-model. Just too bad that the 265 hp won’t put this R-model in low 5 seconds range or something…..

GUYS, THE 0-60 IS A MANUFACTURE ESTIMATE. Anyone knows that these are ALWAYS conservative. Under promise and over deliver. They would rather say the car does 0-60 in 6.5 when it does it in 5.8 than say it does 0-60 in 5.5 and it does 5.8.
The MKV GTI is as fast as 6.0 to 60 (Car and Driver). The average is 6.3 (Automobile, Road & Track, Motor Trend) The SLOWEST I have seen it is 6.7 and that is the manufacturer claim.
Expect this car to run 5.5 to 60 as the R32 that it replaces did 5.7 or 5.8 with 15 less hp and more than that in torque.

Calm down and wait to see. With the EXACT same engine as the TT-S it will not disappoint. Lets just hope they bring it to the states with a 4-door option. If not, I will stick with the A3.

@krautninja – The WRX is sub 5 seconds to 60 (4.7 in the Car and Driver 10 best issue) but weighs about 200 lbs less than this Golf R. Also, the WRX is not nearly as nice in the fit and finish department either. They are a bit different cars.

i’ll be that guy who says “i like the mk v look better”…not super enthusiastic about the visual changes w/the mk vi…i liked the big ol’ headlamps, and the rear fender bulges of the new one look odd to me…

so are they ditching their naming convention to not make it so obvious they’re moving to a lower displacement? seems like a marketing guy got in there on the decision making…

I didn’t see any mention of AWD; I hope it has it. And yes, they need to offer four doors on this one. The MS3 has four doors standard and looks great. VW can accomplish the same thing and still sell. Leaving it a 2-door will I think decrease sales.

tornado , i wasnt really comparing the it to the WRX. i was comparing the Golf R to the TT-s. with everyone arguing that the Golf R seemed a bit slow, i was simply stating that albeit having the same engine as the TT-S, with the TT-S manufactures time to 60 being 4.9 it only makes sense for VW to detune the engine just a tad for the R20 to justify the premium for the TT-s over the R20…tho i think the R20 comes in only FWD wear as the TT-s is rear biased Quattro… But you are also right the WRX is a different car than the R20.

I have to give you dedicated VW guys a lot of credit. I probably couldn’t tell you one generation from the other if my life depended on it. It’s the same with the Miata. Stick one in front of me and if I’m within 3 or 4 model years it’s almost a f*cking miracle.

i like it, as far as the Golf is concerned: subtile changes FTW!

On top of VW underestimating their 0-60 times, if the R is (and I really hope it is) still AWD, then it’s likely it’ll weigh about 150lbs more than the normal GTI, which might account for the difference too. But to be quite honest, this 0-60 time leads me to think that it won’t be AWD, hence why such a small difference.

It’s common for front wheels-front engine cars to hit a “wall” when it comes to 0-60 when adding more power, and this could be such a case.

i like the little porsche-like lights and the two exhaust in the middle look awesome!

I love the idea of smaller engine and more umph out of it. Smaller means lighter, lighter means need less ponies to make it run faster.

sweet. But, vw needs to have the golf r or gti hit 0-60 in under 6 seconds. this 6.5 or 6.4 crap is not worth the hassle owning a vw.

Pretty pathetic 0-60 time. Who in their right mind is gonna pay close to 35k+ for a car THAT SLOW? Get a GTi and save the 10 grand.

This car will be all-wheel drive. that is mostly why they are calling it the Golf R (probably GTI R or R20 in U.S.) , because it is succeeding the R32. Otherwise, they would probably just call it the Golf plus or GTI Plus names they were considering, according to rumors.

LOL @ snoogah;
@netguru: where exactly does this article imply that the Golf R is getting a “lighter 6″ ?????

@ JakeK & TornadoGTI: Thank god some members of this blog know a little bit about the subject before they comment. Its almost funny how many hilariously stupid comments I read. I guess we are the professors of the auto industry, as long as these grasshoppers learn, it will all be worth it. lol Maybe i need to get a life, too…. I am productive sometimes, i promse. lol

@krautninja: I’m sorry, but im fairly certain that you are misinformed. The R will follow the tradition of its MkIV and Mk V predecessors and include 4motion (AWD). Otherwise, they most likely would just call it a GTI plus or something.

Anyone know the difference in curb weight compared to the R32? I took that for a nice long test drive one time, and it felt “heavy” for lack of a better word. Underpowered compared to similarly priced vehicles, but that should be addressed by the smaller motor, so the R might be an interesting car.

@ krautninja – My mistake however you are still in the wrong by saying that it SHOULD be a detuned TT-S. It is 100% THE SAME engine with the same numbers for both torque and hp. It too, the R20 that is, will use 4motion (Haldex) AWD, however not the same as Quattro AWD. That is the only major mechanical difference between the TT-S and the R20 (Golf R). If the TT-S does 0-60 in under 5.0 seconds, which I have seen 4.7 for the fastest so far, than you can be sure that this R20/Golf R will be well un 6 flat. Most likely 5.3 to 5.6. Just my VERy exducated guess.

EVERYONE THEY RELEASED REVISED 0-60 TIMES AND ” the manual gets to 62 in 5.7, the DSG in 5.5″ SO STOP BEING LITTLE B!TCHES AND WHINE WITHOUT KNOWING THE FACTS!!!!

future– did you not read the article?
now this is more like it vw. a car that is under 6.0 seconds in the 0-60 race. this sounds like a great gti. but i will mis that vr6 exhaust note. nothing else sounds that pure…
but, i’m sure the new turbo 4cyl it will not have that buzz buzz jap sound of the import world. thank god for that…

THEY RIPPED OFF AUDI FOR THAT INTERIOR… which is not a bad thing.

So basically, they’re giving us the VW equivalent of the Euro S3.

Rather than saddling us with the old 2.0 and FWD on the Passats, this powertrain (with DSG) is what VW should be offering us. I’d gladly switch. Like “alsvw” said, the V6’s have great exhaust notes, but a powertrain that is just as fast with better mpg is a good trade off.

ahhaha…they changed the 0-60 time…they were playing a trick on us!!! LOL
I knew that time couldn’t have been that high! This will be a good car here in the US!

I’m still not impressed. A Stage 1 Cobalt SS Turbo can easily out muscle this thing… and costs a lot less.

For $35k I’d rather have a WRX or a Camaro.

Jake, take it easy, don’t have a heart attack! Who, but teenagers, give a sh!i about 2 seconds or tenth of second in 0-60? How that changes anyone life? I am sure this car will drive much better then T32, for one simple reason: better weight distribution with 4 banger. As far as AWD: real man don’t need AWD when you have 3 pedals and front wheel drive.

I’ll answer my own question in case anybody else was interested. From what I gather, the 4 banger is about 400lbs lighter than the 3.2 was (which seems excessive to me, but I’ve found that number on a few sites). The DSG however, is about 100lbs heavier than than the 6-speed was.

So assuming ZERO other changes (bad assumption), the R20 should be a few hundred pounds lighter than the R32, and might actually perform.

@RaineMan -

A go-cart with a 420 hp crate engine can do better than the Cobalt, but does that mean you are going to go out and buy one? If you like the Cobalt with this option, great, go out and get it, but these are two different cars. You might as well compare a Porsche to a Camaro – both good cars, but you are in different leagues in terms of interior fit and finish and exterior dynamics as well as civilized ride quality. So you can get a Cobalt that’s quicker – but you’re still going to have a low-rent car interior and an exterior of a car that 16 year old fat teenage fake-blond girls drive and simply look like a teenage douch-bag instead of a 30-something douchebag with money in the GTI-R.

Is it going to be the GTI-R here or the Golf-R? It’s a dumb move to not use the GTI name…

jake,
+1

I’ve never liked the look of the mark 5 GTI.The mark 6 at least has the Scirocco front end. But frankly the Scirocco is a much better looking car. In fact the new Volvo C30 is a much better looking car. If the optional sport package on the C30 R is in any way decent I would take it over a GTI or R any day of the week. The body of this car,other then the front end is “frumpy” looking. It’s essentially nothing more then a box with a nice looking front end. Even the new VW Polo is a way better looking car then the Golf. I firmly believe they should limit this car to a 4dr only. Anything 2dr should “only” be a Scirocco!!

lol @ Raineman, actually a bone stock Cobalt SS turbocharged is capable of doing 0-60 in 5.5 seconds, and the 1/4 in less than 14 seconds. It’s been confirmed on css.net that someone did 13.7 (or .6?) on stock tires with one.

But yes as much as it sucks for VW that the little ol cobalt SS for like 10k less is just as fast, the Golf/GTI is definitely a much nicer ride.

Beautiful. I’d love to take this car up to the mountains during the winter.

Oh my, have you ever been inside a Cobalt raineman????

And for that matter, a new WRX will slam both of them a a much better price

the wrx looks like ass…some people can get over that, but not me…i don’t want to pay 30k for something i think is obscenely ugly, even if it has good performance numbers…not to mention, subie doesn’t even have a 6 speed for the wrx, right? they seem to be 5 years behind in transmissions…

it’ll be interesting to see the final price of this thing, and whether the folks who road test ‘em say its worth the money…the r32, from the reviews i read, seemed to be a great high speed all weather cruiser, but not a stoplight racer…more of a gt car, due to weight issues mostly…i dig the concept…4wd hatch w/good power and torgue, good interior, high quality look (high quality build debatable), but is it worth the premium over a gti or ms3, etc? we’ll see…

@leftwingagenda,

I have to agree with you there. The WTX is awful, bordering on the atrocious in packaging department. The transmission gear count is just one of a long list of “no thanks” when looking at Subaru – no chain driven valve train, no direct injection, no double clutch, etc. But it will run circles around VW in terms of reliability.

it better be 6spd in the states

I have to admit that the new VW brand face has grown on me. I wasn’t that impressed with it at first, but I am really starting to feel it now. The overall design looks a little bland, but it does have some nice detailing that spiffs it up a bit. I think this is one of those vehicles that you have to see in person to fully appreciate. At least I give VW credit for defaulting on the restrained side of design, unlike what Mazda did with the 2010 Mazda3 MPS (which is disappointedly hideous).

If you like the WRX, that’s cool, but don’t go bashing this car, which from looks, has a build quality that any subaru can’t touch, same goes for fit and finish! I have never ever been a fan of those rice crap cars!

Hope you are friends with your mechanic or you enjoy the torture that comes with owning an import.

Be prepared for repairs!

You’d have to be a complete moron to choose this over a much more reliable, better built Saturn Astra than this POS. Anyone who drives a VW is an embarrassment to their Country.

Be American. buy American. Buy GM

speaking of saturns assfnck,
I have a 2007 saturn aura xr that is a complete piece of SH!T
since it’s so good, why is it that I get constant abs, and air bag lights coming on at least 3 times a month??
Last month, it was at my saturn dealer for 2 frikin weeks!!! Luckily for saturn, the lemon law is no longer affective(my dads lawyer told us), but driving it through the damn dealership might do the trick! This car is an embarrassment just as much as talking to you is!
VIVA VW!!!!

TWO THUMBS UP TO idrinorbarsaku

Please bring the 4 door R to the US. Americans are tall and fat, with more than one kid, and at the same time, we love performance. If this R doesn’t live up to its suggested performance for the price, VW should stick to great TDI’s.

i want it.. my next hopes.. is it intercooled?

of course it is

This car will be fantastic if only they bring it. Has same drivetrain as the Audi, about the same weight (check German web sites) and conservative 5.3 0-100. Comparing to Subies is silly if using daily driver as no comparison in fit, finish, ride, handling and steering (not to mention styling!!). Anyone complaining about reliability is likely behind the times also; check CR for Rabbit recent reliability. Please bring so I can dump my X5 for a real car in the winter.

First of the golf-r is a better gti correct? and whats the difference in the golf-r as to the mkvi?

I’m still waiting VW. Please bring the Golf R to the USA in a 4 door and optional DSG/automatic transimission!!