Then why did you choose a vanilla Bimmer that almost every college kid I know drives? Renton you talk biased as usual but the S40’s superior braking gives it a major advantage in real world outside track racing over the 3 series. But you wouldn’t know that… cause you’ll never own anything outside Audi, BMW, or MB. In any case, those who buy a 3 series or anything Bimmer coupe and don’t use it as a racing tool is a poor fool. In fact, it has been a stigma here that BMW owners are those who simply can’t afford more and just want to show off that German badge. And since you see them in every parking lot, it didn’t make you feel boring owning one? And why spend so much on an ugly car with crap interior only to pamper it like a poodle?

I think the dropping of the “R” line will help the resale value of those Volvos compared to other regualr Volvos.

They make some lovely Volvos

No if they just priced their cars realistically.

“R” Volvos were never racecars in the first place but for me personally, they were the only models that separated their pedestrian model range from every other car in similar classes.

Volvo makes great station wagons–a class of vehicle I’ve always loved–but without any “R” wagon in the range I’d be hard pressed to “ooh” and “aah” over a Volvo.

A car is just a car no matter who sells it. Unless it’s a real specialty model.

Now some boring person that wants an S60R can only get one on the used market, you are better off this way. Plus when you get your Alfa, you have a less boring car.

Remember when Chevy disc’d the Impala SS? The price did not go down on that puppy. In fact they still get decent change for an old car.

Now, do you live in the US, b/c as much as I want Alfa here, the reality is several years away at best. You can get them in Mexico though.

However, I bought my S60 R on its merit – safe, quick, comfortable, adjustable chassis, and reliable. The fact that it will blow by V8 Audi A6’s is just a bonus.

Unfortunately, this means that there will be no C30R, which would have been a real sales leader (if priced right), given that car’s target of young, affluent urbanites (read: yuppies with lots of testosterone and cash)

For those of you who want to see the passion some of us owners have for these vehicles, check out my article at http://www.swedespeed.com/news/publish/Features/article_862.html. Still think these vehicles are boring?

I also know a guy on the forum who’s making over 450 whp with his.

What exactly makes a Volvo boring looking? The shape? The S60 and S80’s shape is heads and shoulders over the Bangled 5 series’ Dame Edna front end, stunning WRX tail lights and generic side profile.

Golf4me,

You’re quick to judge Volvos as boring and not performance oriented just because that’s what the common uninformed consensus tells them. Volvo has a long history of winning on the racetrack – even with their station wagons. You’ve driven a 300hp S60R with a 6 speed on the track, right? I’m sure you have otherwise you would not be wasting our time with such babbling about Volvos not being rear wheel drive, therefore not really qualifying as a performance car. The S60R is an AWD model, just like Audi’s all-conquering Quattros from the 80s – not performance oriented at all, right?