What the hell is the Jetta ? Just stretch it out and stop saying that you are comp for the Corolla in your commercials It would make more sense bc the Jetta has some name recognition. That new Passat coupe thing is going to flop They are NOT Mercedes and cannot pull that type of car off.
If they want to take over Toyota they have a LOOOOOOOng way to go
Save some money and make the next Jetta bigger and use that as your Accord Camry fighter and kill that Passat coupe thing

Toyota is successful for two main reasons… high quality and fair price. VW is well known for below average quality and a premium price. If they want to take Toyota on they have a mountain of work to do.

When companies make big goals like this they should be achievable and in a reasonable timeframe. This one just isnt going to happen… sorry VW!

Lackluster lineup? blow it out your ass LLN. Show me one product thats more exciting to drive in Toyotas portfolio over a Volkswagen. And i agree, what the hell is the Jetta? Id take a jetta over an accord/camry anyday.

Whoa Whoa im not saying that I would ever make the mistake and buy a Jetta over an Accord or Camry. Im just saying that the jetta has been around for years (questionable reliability yes turbos ignition coals etc) and when they redesign it they can just make it larger in order to compete with the midsize sedans
They can save money and not developing a new sedan. The only exciting VW is that GTI I drove one and they are not for me but they are fun as hell to drive

heres an easy fix… knock 25% off the retail price of the Passat. Done.

WHO wrote this??? It’s the MOST biased article I have ever read!

Where is LLN getting its info that VW wants to be the number one automaker? That’s ridiculous. And Toyota isn’t even number one yet – the year isnt over (they will be, but until then GM reigns)

Ok R1GHT30u5, quality? I agree to an extent. Price… O’Hell no. you put Camry and Accord in with the rest of their class and their way overpriced. Apparently either you don’t shop much or your just going with the rest of the crowd who are as gullable as they come.

It’s nice to have goals, but you have to set reasonable ones. I think Volkswagen should strive to establish its position as a mainstream automaker first, then build from there. The first hurdle they must overcome to accomplish this is changing the high price, low reliability reputation that the company has acquired in the U.S.

I think it is wise for VW to reevaluate their market position in the U.S. The upscale German wannabe image never really fit this former “people’s car” manufacturer. I think they should let Audi attend to the upscale part of the market while they steer their focus back to the everyman, mainstream part of the market. This means that VW will need to reevaluate every existing and upcoming product and decide if it fits the new position of VW’s U.S. operations.

They are wise to look to Toyota to form a business model. They are foolish to think they will outsale Toyota (or GM for that matter) anywhere in the near future.

Problem with VW is OUTRAGEOUS pricing.

$30,000 for a Jetta? Anyone with sense would get the Mazda6. I’d even get an American car over a VW, given the horrendous quality.

The GTi is the only nice car in the lineup, and still overpriced.

Woah Deanster thats drastic.
Well I guess once reliability is out the window you have to think about styling and comfort. I like the Passat and Ive driven a GTI and think they are overpriced and I don’t trust them. I would still get the VW Passat or Jetta over a Saturn Aura or (LOL) Malibu.
I would have to drive the Toureq and the Acadia to determine which I would buy if I had to choose ONLY btw the two. Of course that would never be the case and it would go to the MDX or the Veracruz
I hear the first Toureq was a nightmare but GM has been a nightmare for 20 plus years and they are huge company
Hard decision.

I think the Passat is actually the same size as the Camry. Hell, I saw a new Camry waiting a light next to a Crown Vic and the were almost the same size.

I would also choose a Jetta over an Aura IF RELIABILY IS OUT THE WINDOW like you said. VW is known for UNreliablity like Korea is known for cheap cars. Acadia and Toureg arent even in the same segment, and the Toureg is less of a car for more money. Oh, and BTW the jetta is basically a corolla copy is you look closely. They pulled off the exterior good though, much better looking than the corolla but again much more expensive.

Oh yes, GM WAS a nightmare 20 years AGO. Get over it, they aren’t anymore and you don’t have evidence that says they are a nightmare so don’t go around saying that (not that many people are listening. I am one of the few and that’s just because your ignorance amazes me)

Your so called Patriotism amazes me
GM is still making inferior products. Let me guess Shady Powers says it will run for 3 years with no problem lol

Where in my last comment did I talk about “patriotism”??

Say what you want about JD Power, make gay jokes about them if you’d like, but that doesn’t change the fact that they are just as respective as KBB.

And also talk about what I actually said in my comment, not about other random things.

All I can say VW is good luck. The Asians will kick your kraut ass all the way back thru Dachao to Auschwitz. Hell, Hyundai has been here far less time and they outsell VW/Audi combined.

The last decently built product to come out of Germany was the Bismark and it got taken care of rather bloody handily.

1115, my US-built Ford is on 5 years 3 months with ……. NO PROBLEMS AT ALL.

95 Honda been in for repairs twice one accident related and still drives like a dream at over 140k.
When your car stands the test of time like that talk until then sTFU

If I was calling JD gay i would have said Gay d powers. They are not used in courts of law or for anything other than to help GM out by taking money for surveys
The Koreans are know for inexpensive cars with great warranties I stick to the script unlike you
You so called patriotism is the basis for your lame ass arguments
VW over GM

Lol 1115, i was calling your joke itself gay. and Gay d powers is even stupidier. please, just quit trying. You have no PROOF that JD takes money from automakers themselves, and even if you did you would have to prove that GM specifically gave them money. then i’d believe you

The reason korean cars have great warranties NOW is to offer people some comfort, people still have bad memories of the first cars hyundai imported. but unlike you, I can forget the past and admit that hyundai is doing good now – you are biased and ignorant and cant admit that GM did something good. And I’m not ultra-patriotic at all. I am no more patriotic that anyone else is. I simply love my country, but that doesnt have much to do with what I’m saying here.

And I gonna beat both of you today with the whole reliablity thing. Today I rode in a early 80s Chevy 15 passanger van with nearly 400,000 miles on it. Very well taken care of, and when I asked the driver (who works for the company) he said that they were the original owners of the van and that there were only 2 minimal problems with it as far as he was aware and no probs in the past 5 years (the conversation started because I asked why they were keeping “this thing” for so long)

Someone explain to me this though::

Quoted from LLN
“VW’s goal is to overtake Toyota as the world’s number one automaker, but it has some serious hurdles to overcome here in the U.S. While Toyota has made huge strides in the U.S. market over the last decade, VW continues as a low-volume automaker due to its lackluster lineup and questionable reliability (VW recalled over one million Beetles earlier this year).”

Does this not sound extremely biased or what?

1115 – my dad’s early 90s Ford is at 225k miles and only a water pump change out of schedule. We bought the pump and did it ourselves (I think it was like 120 bucks – can’t remember).

Commodore, in a way that sounds biased, but it is not too far off the mark. Their US sales volumes are low (a fact) but “lackluster” is biased (although most automakers offer only lackluster products) and reliability is not a strongsuit of VW. VW’s major issue though is the value/price proposition relative to the competitors. VW simply sucks when it comes to value/price because their wares cost too much.

I still don’t buy the “1 million Beetles recalled” line. Unless the recall extends back to 1963, VW has not sold 1 million Beetles (here).

I knew you would make up some story of a friend or a distant cousin Unreliable domestics are the norm and the resale and reliability shows who is on top.
A hint Its not the domestics Its a One chevy van is not the norm and Chevy vans havent been the best seller high resale and a rock solid rep like Honda.
Its irrelevant just like Pedroheads post
Put JD in a search engine look on Wiki and check the Hyundai or Buick thread I named the website there.

1115 = born Jan 11, 2005?

Nice try but ……………………….No

Pedrohead? Wow, and you called me racist.

Wikipedia? You really must have been born in 2005. If I wanted to, I could go right now on the wikipedia article for kelly blue book and change it to say that it is the most unreliable measure for evaluating resale and that they are owned by toyota. when I gave you articles from USA today, cars.com, and autoweek you thought they were unreliable sites and you think wikipedia is a reliable site?? I don’t use the “oh thats just one car that was reliable excuse” because I can just say that your honda was just one of a very few decent ones.

I wonder why you ignored everything else in my last comment and just talked about the van.. because you dont have anything to say! And do you want me to teach you how to copy and paste so you can paste a link in your next comment to the sources that prove that japan is better than domestics quality-wise?

Ricardo:
I pretty much agree with what it says in the article, just the way its written touting Toy as the number one automaker, and talking about questionable reliablity and lackluster product….just seems like whoever wrote it did NOT like VW

Pedro head is not racist it’s a play on names they both end in O if you didn’t notice
Buy American If you are American buy Russian if you are Russian is worse than exchanging names.
I bet you believe in separate water fountains? It just means shorter lines for everyone huh

Honda has the rep for reliability. That’s why it was the best selling car and still is the car to beat and why your Aura (****ty as it is) used it in their showrooms to compare and why they are afraid to show it against the Malibu. When in history has a Chevy van been compared to anything except maybe a school bus or been a best seller??
In Chevy’s (GM) case it’s the exception so don’t try and pretend they are on the same playing field. I’m not going to say it but we know which cars have the higher resale reliability
Wikipedia cited criticisms on their pay for play policy they meaning JD powers. Of course it doesn’t support your America is just as reliable BS. GM and the domestics have been struggling to be behind and you can check how they are in the toilet resale reliability wise. To change Wikipedia then you would have some proof. You need to cite your sources there anyway so its more reliable then JD powers pay for play lets help GM out by saying there cars will last at least 3 years

You blasted cars.com yourself and I cited articles from about the Lucerne and DTS the Cobalt frame issues and the Corvette s top flying off so what’s your point ?? Remember the proof is on my side. You keep trying to convince yourself and the idiots that like American cars here but it’s not working. You can’t convince yourself to buy American Oh wait the Catera when it comes out lol. You know the Americans are behind and the Japs are ahead
Keep trying

I don’t believe in sep water fountains!? What are you talking about!!? I just said I believed in supporting one’s country. As an American, I just don’t understand why other Americans are rooting for their own auto companies to go bankrupt and “die” and that kind of thing. Not liking their products is one thing, but wishing them to fail is pretty extreme. I buy the best product available, but I don’t see what’s racist about wishing that American’s made the best products so that more people will buy them so that our economy will grow and so on. Also, racism is when you favor one race over another. Some examples of races are White, Black, Latino, Asian, and so on. American, Russian, Japanese, and so are NATIONALITIES.
The Aura is a first generation car. Cars like the accord and camry are their respective companies bread and butter – they have been around for decades and people have been trusting them – the aura is new so it will take time to build trust with consumers.

No, you haven’t cited any articles so far. You SAID stuff about the lucerne and corvette and so on, but you never actually gave proof to support for claims. And its not called the catera anymore – its the Catera Touring Sedan (hence the name CTS. Now, does lexus’s and acura’s abreviations stand for anything?). And I cited an article from cars.com which only showed 1 honda (out of 10 cars) in the top resale category. And ok, I’ll do some research myself on JD when I have the time since you dont seem to want to give me links to anything

And stop telling me to keep trying – I am not trying to convince YOU. I am simply showing everyone who has upwards of half a brain what an ignorant idiot you are

I take it back. Jan 11, 2005 is too old.
Maybe Nov 1, 2005.

That puts 1115’s mentality at under 2 years old. It fits, since he’s just starting to learn the alphabet.

Volkswagens = tinfoil nazi-mobiles.

About as reliable as a Panzer too.

Commodore, you should just shut up right now. Certain people in this site are just biased towards certain brands or country’s makes and it shows in their posts whether they realize it or not. You’ve been rooting for American brands with sporadic ignorant facts for the past month that can’t be proven. Stuff like, yea my uncle’s cousin has a camry that died blah blah sounds like the BS the other blind patriots here been chanting. If you really want to talk facts, then start posting tables showing why those asian makers suck compared to your beloved americans. Then maybe they’ll start listening…

Commodore, there is no such thing as patriotism in America anymore. Too many ethnic groups staying ethnic instead of embracing American culture. That’s why in Miami you see people flying Cuban flags outside their home, rather than American flags.

That’s why we teach students in Spanish, rather than forcing them to learn English.

It’s a bloody nightmare. You mark my words there will be an ethnic civil war in 100 years time because half the country won’t be able to understand what the other half of the country is even saying….

So good luck getting people to think in terms of rooting for the companies that contribute to the prosperity of the nation that they live in. They’re too thick/selfish to care.

Pedrohead- another brilliant post Bravo
Commi You are obviously trying to convince me and you failed Im not sure that you have convinced yourself
Try harder stop being a typical lazy American just like the ones that build GM’s

Pedrohead- another brilliant post Bravo
Commi- You are obviously trying to convince me and you failed I’m not sure that you have convinced yourself Why else would you be pulling up websites You re a joke
Try harder stop being a typical lazy American just like the ones that build GM’s

Veda, Commodore is not preaching patriotism. All he is saying is that the notion that GM/Ford build only crap and Honda/Toyota build only high quality merchandise is outdated and closed-minded. He is right on that point.

My dog is 2 years old, she’s smart as hell. IF I go “where’s your ball?” She gets her ball. “Where’s your toy?” and she passes the ball by, gets a doll. Smart girl….

Fuhrer was dreaming of world domination and WV having the same delusions. Yeah, they’ve been making Camry fighter for years. They actually came close at one point with Passat, but they almost won WWI & WWII.

So Deanster your bitch plays with your balls and toys?

Sorry Lambo I’m back but I’ll leave you alone. I remember how disturbed you became several months back because of my posts. Tripleonefivesmom, you are really an idiot. The fact that you drive a 12 year old car tells me what a car enthusiast you must be. Probably staring at it right new through the one window of your apartment at the Casa Economy Motel. You just know that someday you will make manager trainee at Subway store #17 and can finally afford that indestructible 1998 Honda. You lucky dog you. Others bash your screen name but I understand, 1115 or $1115.00. That is what you made last month, your highest monthly wage thus far. Your Mom is proud. Maybe now you can afford an extra room for her to get her out of that smelly alley living in an old big screen TV box. Go ahead, send a less then intelligent 8th grade education post back at me.

Passat costs 25% more but offers 30% less.

Previous generation Passat was very well mannered car. Initial quality was excellent as well: Consumer Report pegged it above Accord and Camry. After few years in service we learned that it is not reliable and Consumer Report was eating a crow. But it did have good handling and enough uuomph for the time.
Reliability is the factor in survivorship: WV has ADHD in that area.

Lamboz riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight You make about as much sense as Commi and Pedro. Keep reaching for the jokes

Hmm…Volkswagen seems to constantly follow up the right moves with the wrong ones. The Jetta currently occupies its midsize spot, as yes, the passat is priced well over camry and accord. However I see room for another sedan to fit between the jetta and passat. For those who lament on the fact that there is a $30K+ Jetta, keep in mind that the jetta starts at under 17K.

But some of you really have some VW hateage going on. All VW’s are overpriced? Please. I own a GTI, and show me one car (besides the Mazdaspeed3, whose lack of refinement I can do without) for under 23K (thats what I payed for my new GTI) that can feel and perform the way the GTI does.

The new rabbit starts at around 15K, and offers much more than you would get in a civic (which I think are overpriced). True that reliability has always been an issue with volkswagen, but sofar my GTI has been virtually trouble free. I wouldn’t keep it to run into the ground, but a 4 year 50000 mile warranty aint bad.

And people bashing the Jetta have to remember that the Jetta GLI is essentially a GTI with a trunk. Less practical (and less bang for the buck) but still an awesome drivers car.

DJ I know someone with a GTI and they love it.
Its not my bag but I think its a solid car. Very fast
I disagree with you though about the Jetta. I don’t think that they need another vehicle. The Jetta should be that car. I think they should just make it larger cut the trim levels down and have it compete with the big boys. Why waste all that money developing a new car It would be a waste of money
I don’t see them lowering the price of the Passat and they shouldn’t. The Jetta should suffice

tripleonefive, well I do agree that the Jetta could be that “mid-size” contender. However, then they would have to knock out the sub 20K lower end models. Right now the Jetta is trying to straddle both positions (as I’ve mentioned, its price range is outrageous…16.5K-32K, wtf). And, I’m not sure what the wheelbase on the jetta is (built on the same platform as the rabbit/gti), but I would be willing to bet that it is substantially shorter than the new accords and camrys, although perhaps not.

Right#:

Are you on crack? Toyota is succesfull ONLY because of its marketin g prowess.

1115: My honda died at 91K. My chevrolet got wrecked at 190K with no real problems, and i’m n ow on an olds that’s at 122K and isn’t even broken in.

AGM: I think you have a point.

I would hope VW had higher ambitions than competing with Camry

JJT stop with your lies there is no way your Civic died at 91k Even if you didnt put oil in it it still would have ran longer You are a wackjob and if you spoke some sense on here I would believe you but I dont
You said you bought a Tempo to replace it Come on Give it up
As far as VW I think they need to stay oput of the luxury car business and leave that to Audi Audi’s should be edgier with their styling and knock out that C pillar window for X sake
VW should cut down the trims on the Passat and Jetta. The Passat should be a V6 and the Jetta should have the inline 4 with a 6 option like the Camry Accord and Altima. Whether they use the Jetta as their Camry Accord fighter or they develop a new one they will have to go by the rules set by the Japanese. 3-4 trim levels with two engines reliability and room for 5
No matter what it cant be as bad as any domestic

God you people are retarded. You have almost nothing left to attack me on so you ignore all the good points i make in my posts and then revert back to what you have been saying like a broken record.

I DON’T CARE ABOUT CONVINCING YOU. YOU DON”T MATTER – AND YOUR MIND IS INCAPABLE OF UNDERSTAND MOST OF WHAT I’M SAYING ANYWAY.

Veda – I am not rooting for the domestics. It is not about Patriotism. What do I think of Chrysler? I think they suck. And Ford? They are in the middle of their turn around but have a long way to go. I wish both those companies luck. As for GM, they have EARNED my respect by building better cars. I’ve always wanted to like them (they contribute a LOT to our economy) but until now they have been building crap so I’ve been buying european cars. NOW, however, they have changed and showed me that they are capable of building products just as good as the best products out there. So, NOT ABOUT PATRIOTISM, so that try to use that to debate me because patriotism has nothing to do with our discussion. Our debate is about the ignorance of people like you and 1115 and the whether or not Jap cars are better than our cars.

I’ve always wanted to like them (they contribute a LOT to our economy) but until now they have been building crap
Not patriotism? Hmmm If not its just good old American car company pity
You are trying to convince me and with that last post you know you are the ignorant one Ill buy them they help the economy. Chrysler and Ford suck but not GM? OH PLEASE

the GTI is the only VW worth considering like someone said.

the jetta really needs to get a facelift. looks like a dreaded corolla.

I HOPE THEY MAKE IT.

tripleonefive is an automtive genius racist whom works at Subway.

Yet again You love mentioning my name Since you know so much about cars why dont you say something about them. Your jokes lack structure just like Pedroheads

Obviously Im not a racist if im saying the “Japs” are building better cars and I took care of that in a previous post I know you’ve been reading all of them so STFU. Its better than saying I live in America so I should only buy American

1115: “Prove” I’m lying about the civic. What kind of reason would I have for that?

I could think of reasons (or rather, excuses) for lying UPWARD on honda mileage, but it just doesn’t make sense to lie downward.

And, yes, i bought a Tempo afterward. Wasn’t my first choice, but I needed a car NOW, and that’s the first one I tested that wasn’t a hunk of crap (another one was a pontiac lemans the seemed to be falling apart while I road-tested it).

but i think you have a point with how many dollars you can get out of a car under the VW nameplate.

Commodore: Chrysler and ford make a lot of cars I’d never want, and almost none that I would

1115: that’s subtle racism. Like saying “The Jews are good at making money.” fake-compliment sterotype. Are you really to lazy to type “anese?”

So you can oppose my arguments about Honda’s lasting. I don’t believe you bc you are an idiot based on things you say in these thread and it goes against the norm for a Civic
A Tempo ? please If you didnt get that it would have been a Reliant lol
Shut up, are you too lazy to type TRIPLEONEFIVE?

So you can oppose my arguments about Honda’s lasting. I don’t believe you bc you are an idiot based on things you say in these thread and it goes against the norm for a Civic
A Tempo ? please If you didnt get that it would have been a Reliant lol
Shut up, are you too lazy to type TRIPLEONEFIVE? I abbreviate it just like i abbreviate jjt Get over it

I saw a Plymouth sundance on the highway today. That’s another car I’d take over a civic!