I could think of reasons (or rather, excuses) for lying UPWARD on honda mileage, but it just doesn’t make sense to lie downward.

And, yes, i bought a Tempo afterward. Wasn’t my first choice, but I needed a car NOW, and that’s the first one I tested that wasn’t a hunk of crap (another one was a pontiac lemans the seemed to be falling apart while I road-tested it).

but i think you have a point with how many dollars you can get out of a car under the VW nameplate.

Commodore: Chrysler and ford make a lot of cars I’d never want, and almost none that I would

1115: that’s subtle racism. Like saying “The Jews are good at making money.” fake-compliment sterotype. Are you really to lazy to type “anese?”

the jetta really needs to get a facelift. looks like a dreaded corolla.

I DON’T CARE ABOUT CONVINCING YOU. YOU DON”T MATTER – AND YOUR MIND IS INCAPABLE OF UNDERSTAND MOST OF WHAT I’M SAYING ANYWAY.

Veda – I am not rooting for the domestics. It is not about Patriotism. What do I think of Chrysler? I think they suck. And Ford? They are in the middle of their turn around but have a long way to go. I wish both those companies luck. As for GM, they have EARNED my respect by building better cars. I’ve always wanted to like them (they contribute a LOT to our economy) but until now they have been building crap so I’ve been buying european cars. NOW, however, they have changed and showed me that they are capable of building products just as good as the best products out there. So, NOT ABOUT PATRIOTISM, so that try to use that to debate me because patriotism has nothing to do with our discussion. Our debate is about the ignorance of people like you and 1115 and the whether or not Jap cars are better than our cars.

Are you on crack? Toyota is succesfull ONLY because of its marketin g prowess.

1115: My honda died at 91K. My chevrolet got wrecked at 190K with no real problems, and i’m n ow on an olds that’s at 122K and isn’t even broken in.

AGM: I think you have a point.

But some of you really have some VW hateage going on. All VW’s are overpriced? Please. I own a GTI, and show me one car (besides the Mazdaspeed3, whose lack of refinement I can do without) for under 23K (thats what I payed for my new GTI) that can feel and perform the way the GTI does.

The new rabbit starts at around 15K, and offers much more than you would get in a civic (which I think are overpriced). True that reliability has always been an issue with volkswagen, but sofar my GTI has been virtually trouble free. I wouldn’t keep it to run into the ground, but a 4 year 50000 mile warranty aint bad.

And people bashing the Jetta have to remember that the Jetta GLI is essentially a GTI with a trunk. Less practical (and less bang for the buck) but still an awesome drivers car.

That’s why we teach students in Spanish, rather than forcing them to learn English.

It’s a bloody nightmare. You mark my words there will be an ethnic civil war in 100 years time because half the country won’t be able to understand what the other half of the country is even saying….

So good luck getting people to think in terms of rooting for the companies that contribute to the prosperity of the nation that they live in. They’re too thick/selfish to care.

About as reliable as a Panzer too.

That puts 1115′s mentality at under 2 years old. It fits, since he’s just starting to learn the alphabet.

No, you haven’t cited any articles so far. You SAID stuff about the lucerne and corvette and so on, but you never actually gave proof to support for claims. And its not called the catera anymore – its the Catera Touring Sedan (hence the name CTS. Now, does lexus’s and acura’s abreviations stand for anything?). And I cited an article from cars.com which only showed 1 honda (out of 10 cars) in the top resale category. And ok, I’ll do some research myself on JD when I have the time since you dont seem to want to give me links to anything

Honda has the rep for reliability. That’s why it was the best selling car and still is the car to beat and why your Aura (shitty as it is) used it in their showrooms to compare and why they are afraid to show it against the Malibu. When in history has a Chevy van been compared to anything except maybe a school bus or been a best seller??
In Chevy’s (GM) case it’s the exception so don’t try and pretend they are on the same playing field. I’m not going to say it but we know which cars have the higher resale reliability
Wikipedia cited criticisms on their pay for play policy they meaning JD powers. Of course it doesn’t support your America is just as reliable BS. GM and the domestics have been struggling to be behind and you can check how they are in the toilet resale reliability wise. To change Wikipedia then you would have some proof. You need to cite your sources there anyway so its more reliable then JD powers pay for play lets help GM out by saying there cars will last at least 3 years

You blasted cars.com yourself and I cited articles from about the Lucerne and DTS the Cobalt frame issues and the Corvette s top flying off so what’s your point ?? Remember the proof is on my side. You keep trying to convince yourself and the idiots that like American cars here but it’s not working. You can’t convince yourself to buy American Oh wait the Catera when it comes out lol. You know the Americans are behind and the Japs are ahead
Keep trying

Wikipedia? You really must have been born in 2005. If I wanted to, I could go right now on the wikipedia article for kelly blue book and change it to say that it is the most unreliable measure for evaluating resale and that they are owned by toyota. when I gave you articles from USA today, cars.com, and autoweek you thought they were unreliable sites and you think wikipedia is a reliable site?? I don’t use the “oh thats just one car that was reliable excuse” because I can just say that your honda was just one of a very few decent ones.

I wonder why you ignored everything else in my last comment and just talked about the van.. because you dont have anything to say! And do you want me to teach you how to copy and paste so you can paste a link in your next comment to the sources that prove that japan is better than domestics quality-wise?

Ricardo:
I pretty much agree with what it says in the article, just the way its written touting Toy as the number one automaker, and talking about questionable reliablity and lackluster product….just seems like whoever wrote it did NOT like VW

I still don’t buy the “1 million Beetles recalled” line. Unless the recall extends back to 1963, VW has not sold 1 million Beetles (here).

Quoted from LLN
“VW’s goal is to overtake Toyota as the world’s number one automaker, but it has some serious hurdles to overcome here in the U.S. While Toyota has made huge strides in the U.S. market over the last decade, VW continues as a low-volume automaker due to its lackluster lineup and questionable reliability (VW recalled over one million Beetles earlier this year).”

Does this not sound extremely biased or what?

The reason korean cars have great warranties NOW is to offer people some comfort, people still have bad memories of the first cars hyundai imported. but unlike you, I can forget the past and admit that hyundai is doing good now – you are biased and ignorant and cant admit that GM did something good. And I’m not ultra-patriotic at all. I am no more patriotic that anyone else is. I simply love my country, but that doesnt have much to do with what I’m saying here.

And I gonna beat both of you today with the whole reliablity thing. Today I rode in a early 80s Chevy 15 passanger van with nearly 400,000 miles on it. Very well taken care of, and when I asked the driver (who works for the company) he said that they were the original owners of the van and that there were only 2 minimal problems with it as far as he was aware and no probs in the past 5 years (the conversation started because I asked why they were keeping “this thing” for so long)