Finally got a first post!

And I’m not the least bit surprised, I hope this results in Toyota fixing the problems with drive by wire throttle

way to go! bring those SOBs to their knees and make them pay for this. they have gotten away with this for too long already.

I hope this is the beginning of the end for Toyota. But that would be too good to be true. At least it brought awareness to people that aren’t gear heads that Toyota never had and most likely never will have good quality.

maybe this is why they pulled out of f1. they wanted to have some money left over after we sue their a$$es.

They are going to get crunched, hopefully. I wonder what the effects will be?

Up to 2,000 Toyota customers claim to have experienced a sudden surge of acceleration, and some reportedly told ABC News that they didn’t even have the recalled floor mats in their vehicles. Even more disturbing are the results of an ABC News investigation that reportedly found “hundreds” of accidents and up to 16 deaths as a result of unintended acceleration.
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=8982147

http://autocoverup.com/2009/04/06/lexus-sudden-acceleration/#STS=g1p78hww.1dlz

(2009/4/6)

1. The car accelerated all by itself
2. the brakes would not work while accelerating
3. Uncontrolled speeds can reaches between 65mph and 110mph
4. Lexus responds to all with “Improper installation of floor mats”

Make:
LEXUS

Article posted 6 months before family’s tragedy.

Recent news. Please read this.

“More than 1,000 Toyota and Lexus owners have reported since 2001 that their vehicles suddenly accelerated on their own, in many cases slamming into trees, parked cars and brick walls, among other obstacles, a Times review of federal records has found.
The crashes resulted in at least 19 deaths and scores of injuries over the last decade, records show. Federal regulators say that is far more than any other automaker has experienced.”
“Dr. David. W. Smith, an emergency room physician from San Dimas, has yet to receive a satisfactory answer from Toyota about his Lexus GS 300. Smith said he was driving with his cruise control in Central California on Highway 99 last year, not touching the accelerator, when suddenly the vehicle accelerated to 100 mph. The brakes did not release the cruise control or slow down the vehicle, Smith recalled. Finally, he shifted into neutral and shut off the engine. “I am sure it is the cruise control,” he said. “I haven’t used it since.”"
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-fi-toyota-recall8-2009nov08,0,6120294.story

Ex-Toyota Lawyer Accuses Automaker of Destroying Rollover Evidence.

According to CBS News, an ex-lawyer for Toyota of North America has filed a racketeering suit against his former employer. ToMoCo’s former managing counsel Dimitrios P. Biller accused the automaker of illegally withholding evidence in hundreds of rollover death and injury cases, in a “ruthless conspiracy” to suborn evidence of its vehicles “structural shortcomings.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/29/cbsnews_investigates/main5273636.shtml

Toyota cover-up every single little problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laYrW–qYFA

See, this video. floor mat doesn’t move.

Japanese try to cover anything up that is a sign of weakness or embarrassing

Toyota execs knew of SUV control defect for years: cops
July 13, 2006

KUMAMOTO (Kyodo) A vice president and managing director at Toyota Motor Corp. both knew about a serious steering defect in the Hilux Surf sport utility vehicle in 1996, eight years before it was recalled due to an accident in Kumamoto Prefecture, police sources said Wednesday.
they were professionally negligent for not recalling the model for the eight years until the accident injured five people. Toyota officials said they felt it was not necessary to recall the model in 1996 because the defect was not frequent enough.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20060713a1.html

Toyota Denied Sudden Acceleration Problem For More Than 5 Years
http://kansascity.injuryboard.com/automobile-accidents/toyota-denied-customer-complaints-on-sudden-acceleration-problem-for-more-than-5-years.aspx?googleid=274028

How can a car accelarate on it’s own?
Is there any kind of proof that it wasn’t a driver’s mistake?

^^^ Hey DipSh!t, did you read the part where it said 2000 documented cases? Do you really think all 2000 cases were caused by driver mistakes? If they were due to driver’s being morons, don’t you think such cases in similar numbers would arise with other manufacturers? Moron.

somegreek, these incidents arose after toyota adopted a drive-by-wire system…so it’s an electrical problem or computer glitch (like the example daiso quoted above with the cruise control going haywire)…

and if you recall just a few weeks ago an off duty cop, driving with his family in the car, accelerated up to 120 mph, couldn’t stop, and the entire family died in the resulting wreck…do you think a cop doesn’t know how to stop a properly functioning car? this is abnormal behavior by the car, at a rate higher than other manufacturers (if it was just dumb drivers, it would be happening to all makes and all models)…

no offense, but you’re being a bit dense on this one…read a little bit of the background on this case and it’ll make more sense…

@illwill
Those weren’t rhetorical questions. So F* off.

I have a friend who has reported unexpected acceleration coming from his Toyota. He does not have Toyota floor mats.

Having used his car for a couple of weeks whilst he was away, I have to admit, I *think* i have felt this unintended acceleration, but to be honest, it was quite subtle if anything at all. I’m talking speeds appropriate to suburban streets, and main roads at most.

From his point of view, it seemed more obvious…..

Toyota is going to go out of business. Victims of the American Revolution.

Be American. Buy American. Buy GM.

It is unAmerican to drive imports. Don’t buy Toyotas

This situation will come back to bite Toyota if they don’t address driver concerns immediately. It smells of a cover up and if Toyota continues to stonewall, then people will follow whatever conclusions they want:

http://www.sayeducate.com/2009/11/05/abc-news-spotlights-toyota-runaway-problem/

Come on guys. This could happen to any marque. Just happened to be Toyota. Few years back it was Audi.

Even if the car “unintentionally accelerates” there is no modern braking system, if operating as designed, which can’t overide the accellerator. Don’t believe it? Just put your foot firmly on the brake and then step on the accellerator. Of course that will not account for panic and poor judgement if the thottle is stuck or the wrong pedal is pressed.

If you get unintended acceleration in a Prius, does anyone notice?

Typical Toyota, they have to get sued before they fix anything. I mentioned this before, but anyone remember the engine sludge issue? They called their own customers liars in that crazy episode…

It’s the customers fault. They weren’t thinking with their dipstick. Should’ve used Castrol.

OMG is it just me?… or is anyone else on this site SICK of hearing this “Need more oil for GM” Douche. It is also Un-american to drive a car that has absolutely no build quality, no style, horrible lines, disgusting interiors. I would Never… EVER consider buying a GM *Government Money* vehicle. Why would I buy a from a company that pretty much relied on the tax payer to save it’s sorry ass?… Why would I drive a car that every time I see one I think it is horrid looking, just as most people I know do… they have a SH!T design team on their hands. I don’t know about anyone else in here but I like to be comfortable and happy with the look of the interior being thats where I will be spending my time driving it. Yeah, don’t get me wrong, I would never buy a toyota either, being that I am anal retentive and even cannot just stand the fact that that ****ing shift knob on the automatics twist off very easily being they are so loose but still, come on. You CANNOT compare a GM to the style and quality of my VW and my Honda.
As for toyota, this is really unfortunate and I really think this company is in sorry shape. They have concealed this information for far too long, and it is a little bit too late for them to start cleaning up this mess, the damage has already been done and the bed has already been made so now they are going to have to sleep in it and hopefully pay for their actions. Human lives were lost and I surely do not believe that vehicles accelerate due to *Human Error* because I sure as hell know when my foot is pressing the gas down to the floor… I highly doubt these people died on purpose and for anyone to blame these deaths on human error is a disgrace, Especially when a frantic call came from the car while it was happening and right before the accident, how do you consider that human error?… Not even cruise control accidently being kicked in could do that because it is off with one tap of the break, and I do not buy the whole “Car mat defect” for one minute. Sorry toyota, but I see your sales slipping even more than they already have been until you can make a mechanically safe car and you can rebuild your reputation. Good luck.
Buy VW… Buy honda… BYE Toyota and GM

@ AnfHollisterGuy – Everyone is sick Need more oil for GM and all the clones of him. That being said, your whole on GM and them being government motors. Get over it. That whole government motors this is also getting extremely old. GM I will admit in the past has had a below average record. However, they have been decent cars and trucks in the past 10 years. You preaching about VW and Honda makes you sound like snob and yuppy.

@ Long Dong Auto – While it would definitely make sense that the brakes should over ride the gas peddle in a car, this is not always the case. The brakes on these Toyota are vacuum assisted by the engine. When the engine is running the car at 120 mph, there is not enough vacuum to provide the assist needed to over come the accelerator. You are right though that at a stand still your going to be able to keep the car from moving (or at least should be able to) by holding the gas and accelerator down.

@ajm11 Amazing that nobody thinks about shifting to neutral.

Can I file a class-action suit against Toyota owners for being stupid?

@ ajm11

Just look at AnfHollisterGuy’s name, I think that says it all about his snobby and yuppy comments. It is usually the case with people that shop at those 2 stores.

This is sounding more and more like a software glitch. How many times have we read an article on the Volt where they go on about the amount of time devoted to algorithms to account for every possible interface between the driver/generator/gas engine just to get the thing to run like a normal car… a scenario I might add that we are not aware they’ve achieved yet. Now this apparent DBW issue as it relates to Toyota isn’t nearly as complicated but all signs are pointed to some combination of software, sensors and the computer’s interpretation of these factors being… well, just plain wrong given certain parameters.

As I stated before I still don’t quite understand the need for DBW on the average automobile but if you’re going to insist on using it there had better be one ‘if/then’ which says ‘if the car’s accelerating and the poor schmuck behind the wheel doesn’t have his foot on the gas then, Tokyo, we have a problem’.

HollisterGuy = another victim of NMOFGM’s ignorance.

As for Toyota, this is going to kill their reputation if they can’t pinpoint and fix this problem. Even if they do indeed fix the drive by wire system, they will still have this looming stigma over them for some time. Remember the Firestone fiasco?

Majority of posts so far has been pretty nationalistic, or rather GM evangelistic. Let me remind you the facts as I recall them.

First of all, I think Toyota has a problem on its hands with drive by wire unit. The reason there is a drive by wire unit in the car, because it does require less assembly time and generally more reliable then cables and pulleys. Most of the cars have them today and I don’t know who is supplier of “black boxes” and to whom. For all we know, GM/Ford/BMW cars that have drive-by-wire may have the same problems. Since less of those cars sold, less probability of problems manifesting itself or users to notice.

There is a point majority of posters did miss so far: we are driving much better quality cars then in 70’s and 80’s because of Toyota. There was no reason for Ford, GM, Chrysler to make better quality cars. Nobody mentioned quality and cars in the same sentence in US until Toyota started trend. Most of today modern manufacturing came from Toyota. I prefer Hondas for their driving characteristics (especially older ones), but I give credit to Toyota for changing the world we live in with quality cars. Neither GM or Ford used each other as a measuring stick for quality, it was Toyota. So yep, Toyota has a problem that it has to address, but there is a history of contribution to automotive world, that is silly to overlook. And that contribution is much more profound then BMW’s or Porsche’s. They (and other expensive marquees) contributed to high end of spectrum and their achievements trickled down to cars for masses in 8-10 years, Toyota’s innovations were implemented and available instantly.

@ RaineMan – I agree with you completely shifting into Neutral would definitely be the best thing to do if you have an unintended acceleration problem. As for why people didn’t do that I am not sure. I had read that some tried to shift into Neutral but were unable to.

There is a neutral interlock that can lock out popping it out of gear in the Lexus, not sure about the Toyota models. However, in testing some of the car mags have found the interlock does not function well and they can force it into neutral. The other problem, and one Toyota mentioned early on, the start/stop engine switch will ALWAYS kill the engine. By holding the button down for 3+ seconds the electrical system will be cut to the engine and since it’s not a diesel, no spark no more power. It can hurt the steering and braking at low speed but at high speed the assistance needed to steer is minimal at best, power steering is only there to overcome the drag turning the wheels at low speed. It is on page one of the owner’s manual, and supposedly has to be initialed at delivery of the car in some states.

Sorry but knowing how kill the engine if the throttle sticks is something I would learn as soon as I bought a car without a keyed ignition switch. Maybe that’s just the way I learned to drive but knowing how to control the car at ALL times is pretty much the first thing you should know before driving it.

yes, raineman, if you think a cop wouldn’t try to shift his car into neutral as it hurdled towards imminent destruction at 120 mph with his family no boad, you’re a fool…we’ve discussed this point before, but if there is an rpm lockout on shifting to neutral that would prevent your supposed easy solution from working…i really really really really really really doubt these people are just “stupid” and are letting themselves die rather than shift into neutral…

give me a break, dude…

also, if this was such an easy problem to overcome, then it wouldn’t be happening to specific models from specific brands…

Although shifting into neutral is obvious, I believe most people become overcome by fear in such a situation and slam the brakes in a panic because they don’t know any other way to stop their car. People that aren’t somewhat car savvy wouldn’t think to shift into neutral and instead go into a state of shock. Also, most people are accustomed to driving automatics today. Those familiar with a manual tranny understand the concept of neutral and would probably search for neutral immediately, but the vast majority of automatic drivers bypass that N everyday without any regard for its purpose (unless they’ve been through a car wash).

Has anyone heard of 4Runners being affected by this problem? I haven’t heard anything, even though the 4Runner’s system is set up similar to the V6 Tacoma.

“@ajm11 Amazing that nobody thinks about shifting to neutral.

Can I file a class-action suit against Toyota owners for being stupid?”

@rainman I hope ur 70yrs old mom gets stuck w/ unintentionally accelerating toyota. let see how well she manages to put the car in neutral in this panic situation.

AnfHollisterGuy, I am sick of hearing people bitch about GM getting LOANS….I will repeat…LOANS from the taxpayers. They will be paid back! Toyota, Honda & Mercedes all have received loans from their respective governments because Toyota, Honda & Mercedes are important to their economies. Duh!
I can’t believe the moronic way some Americans have thought of dealing with GM is to NOT buy a car from them because of the loans. Now there’s an idea that will get the loans paid back in a hurry. In Japan, they all understand the importance of standing buy their auto industry. Americans need to do the same.
Japanese cars have not always had higher quality that the domestics. Remember Datsun? I remember every rust bucket, cheap import of the 60’s & 70’s. It is true that their quality controls have raised the bar for all of the auto industry. Now, GM & Ford have as good or BETTER quality than their import competitors. The Big 3 are now running leaner w/ competitive wages & costs. The playing field has leveled more fairly for the Big 3.

Toyota has enjoyed a decade of a media & buying public with blinders on. Rusted Tundra frames, broken Avalon steering shafts, Piston rings failing after 60k miles on all their 4 & 6 cyl engines, etc. I am in the part of the auto industry where I get to see every auto manufacturer at their best & worst. I see VW’s, Hondas, Toyotas, etc. that have horrible service histories & some that require major high dollar repairs. All cars & trucks have had problems from time to time. They are machines, afterall. However, It seems that the domestic auto makers have never been treated fairly buy the media or the public. It took people being killed in Toyotas for the media to finally bring Toyota to accountability. Toyota has done everything in their power to cover up their quality control problems.

I think it is fair to say that Toyota only cares about the profits from the sheepish Americans rather than the safety of their customers. If any one of the Big 3 were to have this type of MAJOR problem today, They would be ram-rodded out of buisiness!

considering the fact that most of toyota/lexus owners are 60+ years old, I am not surprise at all about 2000+ accidents

OH This is bad, seriously bad. I wonder if all of this will start affecting Toyota sales and people would move to other brands. I know I would.

Say goodbye to Toyota. Anyone stupid enough to purchase a Toyota (that hasn’t been killed or maimed in a horrible crash Toyotas are guaranted to have) shoud do the right thing ASAP and get to your local GM dealer for a trade in on a high quality, infinitely reliable GM vehicle that will last many hundreds of thousadns of miles and never have a single problem and better yet, will never kill you or your family to low jap quality control. Be American, don’t drive POS Toyotas.

GM. AN American Revolution

Need more oil for GM – If you really want people to buy GM products, please stop posting the same garbage on every single story. But as most people are probably aware, you are just posting to see your name on the screen and probably don’t even own a General Motors product. Most of your comments could be for GM or a sarcastic put down. Either way, you are an idiot with no imagination.

60 minutes needs to put the final nails in the coffin.

For the love of God, can LLN GET RID OF NMOFGM ALREAD?!?!?!

Christ, I am a GM fan, and stick with GM, but he is nauseating. I skip over his damn posts, but it is a huge waste on your servers.

Again, BLOCK HIM AND HIS IP ADDRESS ALREADY!!!!! And while you’re at it, get rid of his clones too!

Btw, NMOFGM, GM doesn’t even use that damn tagline anymore, in fact it’s been almost 3 years. Like ajm11 said, you are an idiot with no imagination.

I think Toyota should start putting the big red Kill Switch buttons on the dash like they put in test vehicles.

Be American, don’t drive POS Toyotas.

It is unAmerican and unpatriotic to own, drive or operate a jap vehicles.

Be American. Buy American. buy GM. An American Revolution

May the best car win

60 Minutes would be great if they did a comprehensive story about this. At least it would make people aware of what is going on.

To keep things clear, I am not against holding any company accountable…esp the Big 3. I am a supporter of anything American. I am not in favor of blind loyalty with any company. Cars and trucks should be judged by their quality, reliablity, safety & value. The past is over. It is important for all Americans to at least give the domestic car companys a fair chance & consider their products. American autos are some of the highest rated in the industry & moving forward. Toyota has done a good job but it seems their main goal was to be #1 & they lost their edge on quality. They also have shown their poor integrity as far as owning up to the problem when they have known about it for years. Now, people are dead because of their lack of backbone.
Integrity is what you do when no one is looking. I know what Toyota did………nothing because they would have been embarrased & financially hurt.

To all you Toyota owners: Just remember to put your car in neutral & turn it off when, not if, the dreaded sudden acceleration problem surfaces in your car. Until then, have a nice trip!
Perhaps the next quick fix Toyota comes up with will be a disclaimer to adhere to your shifter handle: “In case of sudden unintended acceleration, shift to Neutral, turn off ignition and pray”

wideopenthrottle, you get a huge boner for the first post (like a moron) and all you have to say is that? Thanks for wasting my time thinking you had something super insightful to go along with your excitement for OMG FIRST POST. Riveting piece of material.

Real Americans don’t drive imports.

THis is GM Country. An American Revolution

NMOFG get closer to the monitor so I can smack yuo!!

Say goodbye to Toyota. Anyone stupid enough to purchase a Toyota (that hasn’t been killed or maimed in a horrible crash Toyotas are guaranted to have) shoud do the right thing ASAP and get to your local GM dealer for a trade in on a high quality, infinitely reliable GM vehicle that will last many hundreds of thousadns of miles and never have a single problem and better yet, will never kill you or your family to low jap quality control. Be American, don’t drive POS Toyotas.

@NMOFGM

I love blind patriotism to a certain company/corporation. It just makes you look more like a pathetic loser than anything else.

Keep sucking on that corporate ****, you douche. You would do well as Bob Lutz’s sex slave.

Becareful what you say NMOFGM.

Toyota has contract with GM parts also, if this happen to Toyota it can also happen in GM. Most of the engine in Toyota vehicle was the same as what’s in the GM, and yet, this can happen to any company unfortunelly this time is Toyota.

American vehicle may last longer then Japanese vehicle, the reason is parts. Japanese auto use the parts that most time only last 30K miles some time early then that, plus it change so offen the parts are cheap cause they made so many for replacement and that’s how they made money.

Up here in Michigan, we don’t have to worry about runaway Toyotas because there are approximately ZERO in existence up here. Nobody is that stupid to buy an import unless they have a death wish.

GM. AN American Revolution

They have a death wish if they drive a Toyota though apparently!

Fnck toyota! fnck GM! Fnck NMOFGM!!!

GO FORD!!!!!

Need more oil for GM,
Only reply to my post if you agree that you are an absolute idiot, blind patriotism follower, moron, imbecile, and…last but not least…BOB LUTZ!!

btw, i know you think you’re doing something positive by constantly trolling, but from my perspective you’re actively dissuading me from buying a gm vehicle…seriously, you’re losing potential customers by being a constant douchebag troll…

@Leftwingagenda. Must be a big problem over at Toyota then. I just tried it on lunch break in my Chevy HHR. Run it up to 60, keep foot on the gas, slap it up into neutral, what do ya know… the car started slowing down! It is the craziest thing.

There is an interlock to keep the driver from inadvertently shifting into reverse or park while the vehicle is moving at speed… but no such thing for neutral.

Leftwing – I think that is what Need more oil for GM is actually trying to do. From all his posts that seem more like a sarcastic slam to GM rather support.

ohhhh…why didn’t we think of this before!?!?!?!
NMOFGM actually works for toyota and is doing that reverse psychology crap on us!

raineman: it’ll be interesting to see if that is the case with toyota/lexus as well…you could probably imagine a scenario where if the cruise control is on, the computer won’t let you shift into neutral, for fear of over-revving the motor…but i really have no idea what system over-rides what other system…

to blame it all on stupid drivers, though, is ridiculous…the statistics alone prove that…if there was no issue with the car, these events wouldn’t have increased in frequency since 2001…

leave NMOFGM alone! it’s not cool to mess with mentally challenged people!!!

Perhaps leftwing, perhaps. I know in my vehicle the highest the RPMs will climb in neutral is 3000. After that it just cuts out.

I just somehow doubt the drive-by-wire is to blame here. With drive-by-wire the gas pedal is just a pressure switch, one that can be overridden by the computer at any time by a traction control module, or if cruise control is on.

Many manufacturers have been using drive-by-wire for years on a large number of vehicles. Honda, Chevy, Ford, Toyota, BMW, etc. I really think if there were a legitimate problem it would be more apparent by now.

@leftwingagenda, what statistics do you speak about? it’s just the media who are now focusing on toyota, that is what you are seeing at the moment. Maybe even greater problems are ongoing with other car manufacturers, you just don’t know them. Jesus, try to be objective.
Also, imagine this: this toyota problem is getting media attention now. That’s THE perfect excuse to tell the policeman when you’re caught overspeeding: “it’s not my fault! my car accelerated by itself!”. I predict even more complaints from now on.

volo – LOL honest officer I normally don’t drive more than 55, but my car sped up and I couldn’t slow it back down.

First off, stop feeding the troll. The more people pay attention to him the more he responds. Ignore him and he will go away.

Secondly, it is now becoming obvious that Toyota has a real problem with its drive by wire system. People who are arm chair quarterbacking drivers in unintentional acceleration situations are missing the point. A 260HP car going to wife open throttle randomly is dangerous no matter how good of a driver you are. Sure, you should find a way to stop the car and keep it from reaching triple digit speeds, but even doing everything right, you may not be able to avoid plowing into the kids crossing the street right in front of you.

People with these cars did not pay for an vehicle that is at its core unsafe.

Toyota desperatly needs to fix this before they lose all consumer confidance.

@Raineman

The drive by wire accelerator switch may be a simple pressure switch, but what tells the engine to accelerate is in no way simple. It is computer programing that looks at dozens of signals that actually operates the engine throttle. There is some kind of programing bug that is causing the cars to go to WOT and then hold there despite driver inputs that should stop the car. The computer is making the decision on what is happening with the car, not the driver.
In regards to switching it into neutral, there are reports of the engine in some cases not being allowed to go into neutral and others shifting back into drive because they thought the engine was going to explode it was reving so high.

I have a family member with first hand experience with this problem and know it to be real.

volo, how am i not being objective? and why are you acting exasperated? (jesus!) i haven’t said anything that was subjective…

concerning other manufacturers, here are your stats: “In a written statement, the NHTSA said its records show that a total of 15 people died in crashes related to possible sudden acceleration in Toyota vehicles from the 2002 model year and newer, compared with 11 such deaths in vehicles made by all other automakers.”

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-fi-toyota-recall8-2009nov08,0,6120294.story

perhaps if you read the article and learned a bit more, my statements wouldn’t be so aggravating to you…

Recently seen: Prius:
Toyota has been frantically installing “defective” floor mats in new Prius cars in an attempt to achieve single digit 0 to 60 times.

btw, if you assume (just for kicks) toyota sold 2 million cars in the US, out of 10 million total cars sold every year (20% market share), and had 19 deaths…then compare that to 11 deaths among the 8 million other cars sold in the US…you’re looking at the following ratios after 10 years of sales…

19 toyota deaths/20,000,000 cars vs 11 deaths in other makes/80,000,000 cars

using a Fisher’s exact test, you get a statistically significant enrichment for deaths in toyotas (p-value less than 2.8e-7)…the Fisher’s exact test may not be the absolute best one to use for such small ratios, but i’m going to stick by my conclusion…this is happening more often in toyotas than all other brands put together, which is suspicious…

how is that subjective again?

Sue toyota ccor poor quality
VW>gl>toyota
If thery were not stupid, they wouln not b toyota owners

Now you’re going over the top showing up your statistical skills trying to impress me . Even though I will never buy a japanese car nor am I a toyota fanboy, I think it is not fair: I am exasperated because all this is just a bashing of toyota.
Point is, if it is a computer glitch, it’s not really toyota’s fault, it’s its supplier, Denso most probably.
Toyota’s only fault would be to cover this up, but this is the only rational thing to do; you will definitely not admit straight away that your cars may have under low probabilities circumstances unintended acceleration problems. Any of the big 3 would have done the same.
As of acceleration problem, I think you’re right in that it is not only human fault, but something with the car. However, I think there’s definitely more than one cause, having the same effect, e.g. cruise control, drive by wire, abs failing, loose cable.

Second thing, Drive by wire is nor safer neither more dangerous than its mechanical counterpart. wire getting loose or getting stuck are also possible scenarios, what does it changes from drive by wire?.

I hope everyone realizes the signifigance of this… It could be bigger than the Firestone tire recall. If they can prove toyota was either hiding or just not looking into this problem enough, Toyota’s name will be unrepairable to some people. That’s huge. You remember what happened to Mitsubishi? Yeah.

All this was bubbling to the surface for years and Toyota kept this mostly swept all under the rug. Now there are so many damn leaks that all this crap that was so well hidden has started to bubble to the surface. About damn time.

By the way, notice that the so-called “faux Dr” has had his license and nuts revoked! Boy, they say rat holes can be so dark and lonesome! Better for you sheggar!

god i hope toyota gets their a$$es wiped, this guy better be a good lawyer.

You may be right, Jake. This is probably the worst time for this to be happening to Toyota. Especially with other makes (Ford, Honda, A few GM models, VW, Nissan) making better models, there are more good options to the buyer. Also Toyota has a good rep for quality and reliability. The worst thing that could happen to them would be for them to lose it. Also like you said, if they are caught covering up the problems with floor mats and zip ties, they could lose millions in lawsuits not to mention people being unsure about their products.

volo —

I agree although it would still be bad for Toyota because the sheeple wouldn’t care about the supplier. All they would think about is Toyota having bad quality.

Traslation –

ktulu to English

Sue Toyota for poor quality
VW>GM>Toyota
If they were smart, they wouldn’t be Toyota owners

DR.PHILLED WITH CRAP

What happened, can’t you face the facts ? Or is your lexus dealer having you drive around to the all the local Home Depot’s to find zip ties? To bad dr.philledwithcrap can’t get himself to post on his beloved toyota’s that are killing people all over the world.

Don’t buy GM products. Ugly and not reliable. Hatch doors that pop open and eject passengers and divers.
They blow up when hit from the side-gm pickup trucks.
Be patriotic don’t buy GM products.
Long live Toyota

My main question is this: Will a class-action lawsuit be enough?

@RaineMan, you have an HHR, not a Toyota or a Lexus. I’m sure the fail safe systems are very different in each vehicle. Heck, my 2000 PT Cruiser would redline in neutral, while my mother-in-law’s 2002 PT Cruiser limits at 5,500 rpm. My Quest will redline as well. As Broadrun96 mentioned above (quite a ways up, so do a find for “lock out”), there is an interlock in the Lexus that prevents you from shifting into neutral while revving the engine, most likely their fail safe method preventing engine failure. My Quest will easily slide into neutral while at WOT, but I don’t doubt Toyota or Lexus has something to prevent the same thing from happening in their vehicles. After all, they do have a reputation to protect, and blown engines certainly would tarnish that reputation…

hehe…volo you are suffering from a bad case of goldilocks syndrome…first you ask me where the statistics are, so i provide them, and now you’re saying i’m trying to impress…i’m not trying to impress, but make a point…and you’re reading too far emotionally into what i’m saying…my family grew up on toyotas and they were always rock solid cars (4 corollas in my family from the late 70s to early 90s)…

but one thing i do for a living is analyze data and look for trends…and 19 deaths for one company, compared to 11 for all other companies combined, is suspicious…note i use the word suspicious instead of conclusive because i don’t have all the facts…but the facts i do have hint at something bad going on…

on your second point, you are just making assumptions…you are assuming drive by wire is just as safe…the numbers in front of you, though, are telling you that a 2000 lexus with a mechanical linkage is safer than a 2001 lexus with a drive by wire system with respect to unintended acceleration…

don’t read any emotion into my statements at all, i don’t have a dog in this fight with respect to toyota’s reputation, but i am very interested in the data…what are the numbers, and what do they say…

and jake is on point…it’s a huge PR nightmare, depending on just how big the mushroom cloud becomes…

as far as liability goes, that’s a much tougher question…was the system designed by toyota engineers? (i would guess so)…i don’t think they could just pass this off to a part supplier…and even if they tried to do that, the fact they knew about this problem years ago – yet did nothing to address it – may leave them open to a bigger liability problem…

if you design a product and it hurts people due to a bad part, well then that’s on the part supplier…but if you know about the problem, yet continue to use that bad part, then the liability shifts more to you…

i’m no lawyer, but the “blame” (obviously unproven legally thus far) could fall on the faulty design side of things, and also the cover up…

Be American. Buy American. Don’t buy Toyota.

Buy GM. It is your patriotic obligation

NO more oil for GM is retarded – I find it really funny that you are bringing up the chevy trucks that could burst into flames if they get hit on the side. Those trucks were made from 1973 – 1987. They are three new generations of trucks since those ones that do not have that issue. Why don’t you start drudging up other pointless crap that has nothing to do with the story here like the Ford Pinto rear gas tank fires. Give me a break. We know where your loyalties are you don’t have to bring stuff up from the past that has already been dealt with.

maybe some overworked, suicidal programmer added an extra few lines of code to the tbw system?

if toyotadishonormyfamily == 1
throttle = 100;
cruiselight = 1;
transmission = drive;
pause(forever);
end

or maybe toyota, for their adaptive cruise control, wants to use airbag sensors instead of radar to detect vehicles in front?